Windows Phone 7 Launch Thread

billgates · 04-11-2011 03:37PM

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Yes, sim free means unlocked.

Great, thanks for that. Just wanted to be 100% sure! Will be taking the trip up north for one on the 16th then so!

Thanks again.

wheresmybeaver · 04-11-2011 03:40PM

billgates wrote: »

Does anyone know if I bought the new Nokia Lumia 800 Sim Free up north when they are released on the 16th Nov will it work ok with a microsim from the Republic (e.g.. Vodafone Ireland)?

Not willing to wait until Jan or Feb next year for Ireland launch, i want it now!! I see that they are on preorder on Expansys now for €709.99, but i'll be dammed if i pay that sort of money for one.

Already own an O2 UK sim free HD7 at the minute (which i purchased 2nd hand) and it works fine with VF Ireland SIM. Just wondering if the term SIM free also means carrier unlocked if you waked into say carphone warehouse up north and bought one for example?

Sweet jesus that's quite the price, you should be able to find one in the next month for closer to €480 sim free, I wouldn't trust expansys.

You can cut your normal sized sim down to micro sim size by following tutorials on the internet (dodgy) or getting a specialised cutter like this (better), which also provides an adapter for fitting back into normal sized sim holders in future. Probably the way to go.

The only thing that may not work on a new Nokia brought heree from another country is MMS, as the settings for this are different for every country and provider and it is not usually possible to manually enter the settings for your provider; the phone manufacturer essentially has to provide a way of setting the correct settings with a built in app (like Connection Setup on HTC Windows Phones). Nokia may only have settings for network providers in the countries they are laucnhing the Lumia range in right now. But then again, who's using MMS these days??

The one big thing that concerns me about the new Lumia range is the lack of Internet Connection Sharing (wiFi hospot / tethering). I only heard about this in the last few days, and although Nokia are saying that they will update the phones later to support ICS, this could be a while coming. I find myself in a situation these days where ICS is necessary for my work, and it is a serious consideration in my decision making process for a new phone.

billgates · 04-11-2011 05:15PM

wheresmybeaver wrote: »

Sweet jesus that's quite the price, you should be able to find one in the next month for closer to €480 sim free, I wouldn't trust expansys.

You can cut your normal sized sim down to micro sim size by following tutorials on the internet (dodgy) or getting a specialised cutter like this (better), which also provides an adapter for fitting back into normal sized sim holders in future. Probably the way to go.

The only thing that may not work on a new Nokia brought heree from another country is MMS, as the settings for this are different for every country and provider and it is not usually possible to manually enter the settings for your provider; the phone manufacturer essentially has to provide a way of setting the correct settings with a built in app (like Connection Setup on HTC Windows Phones). Nokia may only have settings for network providers in the countries they are laucnhing the Lumia range in right now. But then again, who's using MMS these days??

The one big thing that concerns me about the new Lumia range is the lack of Internet Connection Sharing (wiFi hospot / tethering). I only heard about this in the last few days, and although Nokia are saying that they will update the phones later to support ICS, this could be a while coming. I find myself in a situation these days where ICS is necessary for my work, and it is a serious consideration in my decision making process for a new phone.

Yeah, Expansys are something else with the prices thats for sure!

You are correct about the MMS as it has not worked on the current HD7 which came from the UK originally, but like you said who uses it nowadays anyway. Would not be a worry for me.

Yeah, i have read that the tethering is coming at some point, however i use a rooted HTC Desire with CM7 for that sort of thing anyway so its not really a problem either for me at the moment.

Thanks for the info.....:)

stevenmu · 04-11-2011 06:18PM

Looks like the official-ish ChevronWP7 Labs unlock is available now (finally):

http://labs.chevronwp7.com/

Oafley Jones · 04-11-2011 08:10PM

stevenmu wrote: »

Looks like the official-ish ChevronWP7 Labs unlock is available now (finally):

http://labs.chevronwp7.com/

Would this also allow the removal of a carrier sim-lock?

wheresmybeaver · 04-11-2011 09:23PM

Oafley Jones wrote: »

Would this also allow the removal of a carrier sim-lock?

Don't think so. It only unlocks the developer attributes of the device, like sideloading apps.

There's something fishy going on over at Expansys; the UK website has the Lumia 800 16GB listed at £440 (~ €512) whereas the IE site has it listed at €710. Obviously that's not right, since other phones are fairly well matched between the UK and Ireland; the new Samsung W is listed at £330 (~ €384) on the UK site, whereas the same phone is €380 on the IE site. If they correct it and it ends up costing something in the region of €500 then I think it could make a marvellous little Christmas present ;-) Unless anybody else knows a good source of well-priced sim free phones on the interweb?

AlmightyCushion · 04-11-2011 09:35PM

wheresmybeaver wrote: »

Don't think so. It only unlocks the developer attributes of the device, like sideloading apps.

There's something fishy going on over at Expansys; the UK website has the Lumia 800 16GB listed at £440 (~ €512) whereas the IE site has it listed at €710. Obviously that's not right, since other phones are fairly well matched between the UK and Ireland; the new Samsung W is listed at £330 (~ €384) on the UK site, whereas the same phone is €380 on the IE site. If they correct it and it ends up costing something in the region of €500 then I think it could make a marvellous little Christmas present ;-) Unless anybody else knows a good source of well-priced sim free phones on the interweb?

The UK site will deliver here, so you could just buy it on the UK site.

evolutionqy7 · 04-11-2011 10:23PM

wheresmybeaver wrote: »

billgates wrote: »

Does anyone know if I bought the new Nokia Lumia 800 Sim Free up north when they are released on the 16th Nov will it work ok with a microsim from the Republic (e.g.. Vodafone Ireland)?

Not willing to wait until Jan or Feb next year for Ireland launch, i want it now!! I see that they are on preorder on Expansys now for €709.99, but i'll be dammed if i pay that sort of money for one.

Already own an O2 UK sim free HD7 at the minute (which i purchased 2nd hand) and it works fine with VF Ireland SIM. Just wondering if the term SIM free also means carrier unlocked if you waked into say carphone warehouse up north and bought one for example?

Sweet jesus that's quite the price, you should be able to find one in the next month for closer to €480 sim free, I wouldn't trust expansys.

You can cut your normal sized sim down to micro sim size by following tutorials on the internet (dodgy) or getting a specialised cutter like this (better), which also provides an adapter for fitting back into normal sized sim holders in future. Probably the way to go.

The only thing that may not work on a new Nokia brought heree from another country is MMS, as the settings for this are different for every country and provider and it is not usually possible to manually enter the settings for your provider; the phone manufacturer essentially has to provide a way of setting the correct settings with a built in app (like Connection Setup on HTC Windows Phones). Nokia may only have settings for network providers in the countries they are laucnhing the Lumia range in right now. But then again, who's using MMS these days??

The one big thing that concerns me about the new Lumia range is the lack of Internet Connection Sharing (wiFi hospot / tethering). I only heard about this in the last few days, and although Nokia are saying that they will update the phones later to support ICS, this could be a while coming. I find myself in a situation these days where ICS is necessary for my work, and it is a serious consideration in my decision making process for a new phone.

You can set the apn for internet via mobile network settings. I did it today and it worked. Had a customer who couldn't send mms. I tried sending one of my phone for the first time in years and it didn't work. So I got the apn settings of boards FAQ. Put them in and it worked

Internet tethering will come with Lumia with a future update. Apparently its something to do with the new FCC regulations

AntiVirus · 04-11-2011 10:33PM

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

The UK site will deliver here, so you could just buy it on the UK site.

Thats what I did, pre order mine on the uk site. Thats my birthday present for myself

Christmas is to far away

DjFlin · 07-11-2011 11:48PM

Guy, in looking for a good Twitter app. Normally I just use the mobile site in IE, but its getting irritating.
Twitter in the People Hub is too basic, no follow/unfollow etc.
The official Twitter app rarely loads properly. It usually says something like "rate limit exceeded".

All I'm looking for is a quick app, that will let me browse/add/remove the people I follow, and upload photos.

Looking forward to some advice.

In other news, I flashed my Optimus with the VF Ireland ROM (After previously having the Open Europe one), and instantly got the WiFi tethering update. Its awesome

wheresmybeaver · 08-11-2011 02:59PM

DjFlin wrote: »

Guy, in looking for a good Twitter app. Normally I just use the mobile site in IE, but its getting irritating.
Twitter in the People Hub is too basic, no follow/unfollow etc.
The official Twitter app rarely loads properly. It usually says something like "rate limit exceeded".

All I'm looking for is a quick app, that will let me browse/add/remove the people I follow, and upload photos.

Looking forward to some advice.

In other news, I flashed my Optimus with the VF Ireland ROM (After previously having the Open Europe one), and instantly got the WiFi tethering update. Its awesome

Funny enough I used to use a variety of Twitter apps before Mango for my basic Twitter needs (whichever one was fastest, essentially), but haven't bothered with the apps now that Twitter is in the people hub.

Anyway, you can try Motweets, Birdsong, Beezz, Mehdoh, Rowi. Most apps have either a free ad-supported version or a trial. Personally I quite liked Birdsong; live tiles, clean design, pretty quick.

Still waiting for tethering update for my O2 HD7 (I am *not* flashing a ROM; I promised myself last year I wouldn't start doing that with WP7. I still have all my texts from the first day I got the phone!).

billgates · 08-11-2011 07:31PM

Was doing some calling around some UK providers today in relation the new Nokia Lumia 800. I was thinking about pre-ordering one from Expansys UK, so called to confirm that the order through the UK site would be ok from Ireland. Price looked ok, works out around 530 EUR incl postage from the UK site, its 724.99 EUR from Irish site!

The lady on the phone confirmed that all should be ok if i wanted to preorder today, before i did so i then asked about when they thought the SIM FREE version would be in stock (i assumed that they would have in stock next week or week after, as the launch date was quoted as 16th Nov), it turns out the SIM FREE versions will not be availible until early 2012 :mad: She reckons that the providers will have the handsets first, which will obviously be locked to the providers, we are not getting them in Ireland for now as we all know, so we are out of the loop completely by the look of things.

Also called clove.co.uk and they did not have a clue when they would be in stock SIM FREE, but would have to assume that its the same story as Expansys.co.uk, early 2012!

Also I seen a rumor circulating recently that Three in the UK were going to be doing them SIM FREE for £399 STG. Called them at some stores up the north and called the UK call centre directly and they know nothing about this, turns out this will be a carrier locked PAYG model only, not SIM FREE.

So i guess the question is where can you lay your hands on one of these phones next week?? Options look slim at getting one before Xmas at the moment, i was going to get one up north but that looks out also

Anyone got any other ideas or heard anything else??

UPDATE: Looks likes the contract only story has been confirmed by the Clove blog this evening http://blog.clove.co.uk/2011/11/08/nokia-lumia-800no-uk-sim-free-stock-until-january/

Daniel S · 08-11-2011 07:39PM

Any my phone is going back to Germany again. Anyone else having trouble with the Optimus 7? I'm getting Price-Gaurd to do a manufacturer warranty repair instead of their own job.

moonboy52 · 08-11-2011 07:46PM

Daniel S wrote: »

Anyone else having trouble with the Optimus 7?

The only issue i have is that every now and again it loses connection to O2 and i have to turn the phone off and on. (emergency calls only)

I have got the Sim card replaced twice.

Daniel S · 08-11-2011 07:49PM

moonboy52 wrote: »

The only issue i have is that every now and again it loses connection to O2 and i have to turn the phone off and on. (emergency calls only)

I have got the Sim card replaced twice.

Mine freezes a lot and won't make/receive calls.

gman2k · 08-11-2011 07:54PM

I could have swore I was able to share videos directly from my Optimus 7, tried a couple of days ago and there was no share option. Was I just imagining things in the first place?

wheresmybeaver · 08-11-2011 10:22PM

billgates wrote: »

Was doing some calling around some UK providers today in relation the new Nokia Lumia 800. I was thinking about pre-ordering one from Expansys UK, so called to confirm that the order through the UK site would be ok from Ireland. Price looked ok, works out around 530 EUR incl postage from the UK site, its 724.99 EUR from Irish site!

The lady on the phone confirmed that all should be ok if i wanted to preorder today, before i did so i then asked about when they thought the SIM FREE version would be in stock (i assumed that they would have in stock next week or week after, as the launch date was quoted as 16th Nov), it turns out the SIM FREE versions will not be availible until early 2012 :mad: She reckons that the providers will have the handsets first, which will obviously be locked to the providers, we are not getting them in Ireland for now as we all know, so we are out of the loop completely by the look of things.

Also called clove.co.uk and they did not have a clue when they would be in stock SIM FREE, but would have to assume that its the same story as Expansys.co.uk, early 2012!

Also I seen a rumor circulating recently that Three in the UK were going to be doing them SIM FREE for £399 STG. Called them at some stores up the north and called the UK call centre directly and they know nothing about this, turns out this will be a carrier locked PAYG model only, not SIM FREE.

So i guess the question is where can you lay your hands on one of these phones next week?? Options look slim at getting one before Xmas at the moment, i was going to get one up north but that looks out also

Anyone got any other ideas or heard anything else??

UPDATE: Looks likes the contract only story has been confirmed by the Clove blog this evening http://blog.clove.co.uk/2011/11/08/nokia-lumia-800no-uk-sim-free-stock-until-january/

phonehouse.fr are selling the Lumia 800 "without subscription" for €499, but I'm not sure if this means you'd be buying a handset locked to a French carrier. You're taking the risk that you might not be able to unlock it for use with an Irish SIM. And phonehouse.fr may not even deliver to Ireland anyway.

Unfortunately it looks like we'll be waiting till after Christmas for a Nokia with WP7. My father in law works in Germany and is renewing his T-Mobile contract, he seems pretty interested in the Nokia 800. I might get the chance to try it out if he goes for it (I can also have a sneaky test to make sure there is definitely a SIM lock on it

)

gman2k wrote: »

I could have swore I was able to share videos directly from my Optimus 7, tried a couple of days ago and there was no share option. Was I just imagining things in the first place?

I have the "share" and "share with facebook" options with all my videos in the Camera Roll; this is on the HD7 with Mango. Do you only have the "Delete" option in the application bar?

billgates · 08-11-2011 10:48PM

wheresmybeaver wrote: »

phonehouse.fr are selling the Lumia 800 "without subscription" for €499, but I'm not sure if this means you'd be buying a handset locked to a French carrier. You're taking the risk that you might not be able to unlock it for use with an Irish SIM. And phonehouse.fr may not even deliver to Ireland anyway.

Unfortunately it looks like we'll be waiting till after Christmas for a Nokia with WP7. My father in law works in Germany and is renewing his T-Mobile contract, he seems pretty interested in the Nokia 800. I might get the chance to try it out if he goes for it (I can also have a sneaky test to make sure there is definitely a SIM lock on it )

Yeah i had a look at that earlier this afternoon, went to checkout, seem to deliver to France only, no option to select country at all on the checkout page.

Its the pits

If anyone has any ideas where we can pick one up this side of Christmas then please let us know.

Cheers.

AntiVirus · 08-11-2011 11:09PM

wheresmybeaver wrote:

My father in law works in Germany and is renewing his T-Mobile contract, he seems pretty interested in the Nokia 800. I might get the chance to try it out if he goes for it (I can also have a sneaky test to make sure there is definitely a SIM lock on it )

You can get it from Amazon.de

http://www.amazon.de/Nokia-Smartphone-Black-Touchscreen-Windows-schwarz/dp/B00606R4AW/ref=sr_1_2?s=ce-de&ie=UTF8&qid=1320790073&sr=1-2

I'm looking for the Cyan coloured one, I've got 500 euros burning a hole in my pocket :-D

billgates · 08-11-2011 11:21PM

AntiVirus wrote: »

You can get it from Amazon.de

http://www.amazon.de/Nokia-Smartphone-Black-Touchscreen-Windows-schwarz/dp/B00606R4AW/ref=sr_1_2?s=ce-de&ie=UTF8&qid=1320790073&sr=1-2

I'm looking for the Cyan coloured one, I've got 500 euros burning a hole in my pocket :-D

I seen that earlier on my travels, however if you order from Amazon.de will they deliver to Ireland i wonder? Thing i am wondering is even though they are advertised for pre-order all over the web no-one might have stock until Jan 2012 in any case by the sounds of what is coming out this evening from Nokia.

I see them on CPW in the uk now sim free for £469.95, question is when will they have them.

AntiVirus · 08-11-2011 11:42PM

billgates wrote: »

I seen that earlier on my travels, however if you order from Amazon.de will they deliver to Ireland i wonder? Thing i am wondering is even though they are advertised for pre-order all over the web no-one might have stock until Jan 2012 in any case by the sounds of what is coming out this evening from Nokia.

I see them on CPW in the uk now sim free for £469.95, question is when will they have them.

A lot of posters on here bought the LG Optimus 7 from Amazon.de and they did post to Ireland so I'm guessing that they still do but best to check that out first just incase.

I sent an email off to Nokia asking them if they could let me know where it will be available to buy sim free and get before christmas. They may not reply with good news, but who knows

billgates · 08-11-2011 11:50PM

AntiVirus wrote: »

A lot of posters on here bought the LG Optimus 7 from Amazon.de and they did post to Ireland so I'm guessing that they still do but best to check that out first just incase.

I sent an email off to Nokia asking them if they could let me know where it will be available to buy sim free and get before christmas. They may not reply with good news, but who knows

Well thats promising about those orders for the LG's. Might bang them an email tomorrow in Amazon to see what they say about it. Will post any news.

I sent a wee tweet to Nokia earlier on, heard nothing since, lets keep the fingers crossed.

Doing some reading around and the issue around the SIM free versions only seems to apply to the UK market which is strange, lets hope it bodes well for getting one out of europe in the next week or 2!

I see that those lucky French folk are getting theirs before the weeks out!
http://www.wpcentral.com/france-already-seeing-orders-nokia-lumia-800-come-through

gizmo · 09-11-2011 03:35AM

Hmm, can anyone see Spotify in the Marketplace?

I once again seem to be stuck in the awkward middleground whereby I have an Irish Live/Zune account but am living in the UK so because Spotify isn't officially out in Ireland I may not be able to get it from the Irish or UK store.

stevenf17 · 09-11-2011 08:23PM

billgates wrote: »

Well thats promising about those orders for the LG's. Might bang them an email tomorrow in Amazon to see what they say about it. Will post any news.

I sent a wee tweet to Nokia earlier on, heard nothing since, lets keep the fingers crossed.

Doing some reading around and the issue around the SIM free versions only seems to apply to the UK market which is strange, lets hope it bodes well for getting one out of europe in the next week or 2!

I see that those lucky French folk are getting theirs before the weeks out!
http://www.wpcentral.com/france-already-seeing-orders-nokia-lumia-800-come-through

Just did run through of the Amazon.de ordering process and it would have let me order one if I'd hit the confirm button.... It would have said no we can't deliver to this address after the 3-4 page (like the UK site does) but it didn't!
There's hope yet!

gman2k · 09-11-2011 10:01PM

wheresmybeaver wrote: »

I have the "share" and "share with facebook" options with all my videos in the Camera Roll; this is on the HD7 with Mango. Do you only have the "Delete" option in the application bar?

Yeah, found that share link in that location - cheers.
It's defo a flaw in Mango cos;
You go to the music & video tile, highlight the video but you cannot share the video from here.
Yet you go to the pictures tile, camera roll, and you can share from here....
A little silly.

evolutionqy7 · 10-11-2011 06:18PM

Dear Samsung Owners

You should be happy to know Samsung is once again screwing us over the arse by not supporting "older" hardware...

Theres a "new" app in Samsung marketplace which is called wireless manager.

Description:

Wireless manager allows Samsung Windows Phone users to easily apply settings for call forwarding, call waiting and APN.

Tried to install it and it says the app is not supported on your device.

Now i love Samsung Hardware. Best screen in its class, nice audio quality, good battery life and at least one hardware button to get home. But if they keep this up my next phone will defo not be manufactured by Samsung.

Its pretty pathetic of them not support the one phone they have here when the new one is not even launched.

What is worse that their not supporting for the sake of not supporting it. I mean DLNA is something our Omnia 7's are well capable of. Yet they don't issue driver updates to allow this or enable the app to run even without them.

Odaise Gaelach · 10-11-2011 07:10PM

That is pretty bad, especially with one of the ethos of Windows Phone 7 being that older phones won't be left behind - as was shown with the very smooth rollout of Mango to (currently almost) all phones. To leave a phone that's just a year old behind would be quite frustrating.

This, however, will be released for all Mango phones very very soon. I promise.

...It'll all look better on the phone.

evolutionqy7 · 10-11-2011 07:51PM

Odaise Gaelach wrote: »

That is pretty bad, especially with one of the ethos of Windows Phone 7 being that older phones won't be left behind - as was shown with the very smooth rollout of Mango to (currently almost) all phones. To leave a phone that's just a year old behind would be quite frustrating.

This, however, will be released for all Mango phones very very soon. I promise.

...It'll all look better on the phone.

Well its not the actually Microsoft Software letting the phones behind. But as usual Sammy being a little bitch and not supporting older hardware. Its not even old hardware. My phone is only a phone year old...

I wouldnt be half as bothered if it was a HTC phone as ive always can count on XDA devs to provide a solution. But there's winds whistling in Omnia 7 development.

DjFlin · 10-11-2011 11:49PM

I'm starting to get really annoyed here...

I got the new version of the Xbox 360 Dashboard, and I still cant connect my Windows Phone to my Xbox to play stuff off it. What the hell is going on in Microsoft HQ? My old iPhone connected to my Xbox, and my Windows Phone cant?

evolutionqy7 · 11-11-2011 12:18AM

DjFlin wrote: »

I'm starting to get really annoyed here...

I got the new version of the Xbox 360 Dashboard, and I still cant connect my Windows Phone to my Xbox to play stuff off it. What the hell is going on in Microsoft HQ? My old iPhone connected to my Xbox, and my Windows Phone cant?

I think that's rather a fault on wp7 side. Not being able to go into an mp3 player mode.

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