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Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 11/12 - Mod Note 4153

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,163 ✭✭✭✭danniemcq


    Kess73 wrote: »
    Bugger that. I want Kompany in our team. :D

    are our defence that lonely they need kompany?



    so so so sorry, i really am


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,163 ✭✭✭✭danniemcq


    Blatter wrote: »
    City :D

    have to agree, top 4 is more important than league cup although a trophy would be nice this season, young lads could probably take chelsea!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,560 ✭✭✭✭Kess73


    danniemcq wrote: »
    are our defence that lonely they need kompany?



    so so so sorry, i really am





    kim-jong-il-puppet-team-america.jpg


    Me so ronery.:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 820 ✭✭✭kop77


    Carra back for Chelski..................

    "It's the first time I've ever had a muscle injury in my life but I'm coming along fine," the centre-back said. "I'm working with the physios this week and if things continue to go well the plan is to get back into full training at the start of next week.

    "It was always going to be tight to be fit for the Swansea game last weekend and with a two-week break after that match there was no point doing anything silly. It's important to ensure I get it 100 per cent right.

    "Hopefully I'll be available for the Chelsea game but I'm not thinking about games at this stage. My first target is just getting back on the training pitch with the lads and that should happen early next week."


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,385 ✭✭✭✭D'Agger


    kop77 wrote: »
    Carra back for Chelski..................
    I'm taking that as bad news tbh


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    PaulieC wrote: »
    I'm taking that as bad news tbh

    Hardly bad news.

    I'd still have him in ahead of Skrtel everyday tbh.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,385 ✭✭✭✭D'Agger


    rarnes1 wrote: »
    Hardly bad news.

    I'd still have him in ahead of Skrtel everyday tbh.
    I dunno....I like Skrtel and Agger as the two CBs


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    PaulieC wrote: »
    I dunno....I like Skrtel and Agger as the two CBs

    Carra imo is still the better defender and organiser.

    Tbh, it really should be the last season for both players as first teamers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,163 ✭✭✭✭danniemcq


    PaulieC wrote: »
    I dunno....I like Skrtel and Agger as the two CBs

    yeah, they look much calmer, no carra screaming at them


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,385 ✭✭✭✭D'Agger


    rarnes1 wrote: »
    Carra imo is still the better defender and organiser.

    Tbh, it really should be the last season for both players as first teamers.
    Skrtel will be kept for another few seasons imo until Wisdom, Wilson, Kelly are able to step into the breach

    Once Agger's there I'm happy :)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 820 ✭✭✭kop77


    As a matter of interest, what do ye think we could get for Skittles in the summer?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,560 ✭✭✭✭Kess73


    kop77 wrote: »
    As a matter of interest, what do ye think we could get for Skittles in the summer?


    Something in the £3m to £6m range at a guess.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,560 ✭✭✭✭Kess73


    rarnes1 wrote: »
    Hardly bad news.

    I'd still have him in ahead of Skrtel everyday tbh.


    Whilst I do think that Carragher needs replacing as a first team starter, Skrtel is certainly not the man to replace him. Don't think that Skrtel will ever get to the level that Carragher is at now, let alone be as good as Carragher was four or five years ago.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 820 ✭✭✭kop77


    Kess73 wrote: »
    Something in the £3m to £6m range at a guess.

    Was thinking £5-£7m myself, still only 26 though, think we paid £6m for him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,560 ✭✭✭✭Kess73


    kop77 wrote: »
    Was thinking £5-£7m myself, still only 26 though, think we paid £6m for him.


    Yeah but I don't think he has done anything over the last few seasons to add any value onto what we paid tbh. I think we would be doing well to break even on him.

    If Scott Dann went for around £5m in the summer, then I could not see Skrtel going for more than that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,836 ✭✭✭Sir Gallagher


    Not a huge fan of Skrtle myself but he's worth keeping around as a squad player. Doubt he's on huge wages and we wouldn't make much on him anyway.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,832 ✭✭✭✭Blatter


    I do think Carragher is slightly better that Skrtel individually but I do think Skrtel works better with Agger.

    Skrtel + Agger >>> Carragher + Agger imo


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    Kess73 wrote: »
    Yeah but I don't think he has done anything over the last few seasons to add any value onto what we paid tbh. I think we would be doing well to break even on him.

    If Scott Dann went for around £5m in the summer, then I could not see Skrtel going for more than that.

    I agree.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,560 ✭✭✭✭Kess73


    Not a huge fan of Skrtle myself but he's worth keeping around as a squad player. Doubt he's on huge wages and we wouldn't make much on him anyway.


    If the club did go out and buy a much needed quality CB (if not two based on how often Agger gets injured), then we have Carragher, Skrtel and Coates as squad players as well as any ressie that improves enough.

    In an ideal world, well in my world anyway :D) we would get two quality CBs in and Carragher and Skrtel would be out. That way Agger and one of the newbies would be competing to play alongside the better of the new guys, and Coates would become the backup along with the loser of the Newbie/Agger struggle.


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    Blatter wrote: »
    I do think Carragher is slightly better that Skrtel individually but I do think Skrtel works better with Agger.

    Skrtel + Agger >>> Carragher + Agger imo

    Carra has always played well with Agger too tbh.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,267 ✭✭✭opr




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,267 ✭✭✭opr


    Charlie Adam Creates Chances
    One of the summer's main talking points was "chances created," a fairly new statistic meant to replace assists. Assists take two to tango, reliant on the goal scorer actually scoring the goal. LiverpoolFC.tv clarifies the stat by renaming it "shot assists," a name I actually prefer, although I'll stick with Opta's nomenclature since I'm using FourFourTwo's StatsZone stats throughout this piece. The official site also has slightly different numbers than StatsZone, crediting Adam with two fewer shot assists than StatsZone credits chances created.

    After the summer signings, Liverpool fans couldn't wait to pass around a chart showing Adam, Downing, and Henderson in the Top 10 for chances created in the league last year. Anfield Index featured multiple articles on the stat. Given how Liverpool struggled for goals last season, most notably under Hodgson, adding players who set up goal-scoring opportunities seemed crucial.

    Well, Liverpool are creating more chances. They're simply not taking them. And Charlie Adam tops the list of those creating said chances.

    After 11 games, Adam's created 26 chances, more than any other in the Liverpool squad. Suarez and Enrique on 20, Downing with 17, and Lucas with 10 are the only other players in double figures. Adam played 35 games last season; currently averaging 2.36 chances created per game, Adam's on pace for 83 chances created this season if he plays the same number of matches. Which is 19 more than his total for Blackpool last season. And with Downing, Suarez, Henderson and (sometimes) Gerrard involved, he's not taking every set play either.

    Adam created eight against Swansea, five more than the next closest player (Downing) and the most in any Liverpool match this season. Four came from set plays and four came from open play. There were chips and crosses to Suarez, corners to Agger, and layoffs and throughballs to Downing. Probability more than suggests at least one should have led to an assist and Liverpool winner.

    In total, Liverpool have created 137 chances through this season's 11 matches. The side created 121 in Hodgson's first 11 matches and 120 in Dalglish's first 11 matches as "caretaker manager." Liverpool scored 12 goals in Hodgson's first 11 games, 18 in Dalglish's first 11 games, and 14 through this season's 11 games. This season's chances created-per-goal ratio (9.79) is far closer to Hodgson's mark (10.08) than that from Dalglish's first 11 matches (6.67). Again, creation isn't the problem. Conversion is.

    Admittedly, Adam has multiple faults. Fitness is usually the first mentioned: how he tends to tire after the hour mark, with skepticism exacerbated by his less-than-ideal physique. He tends towards the spectacular and over-ambitious when Liverpool might be better served by keeping it simple. He's also more than questionable defensively: in positions he takes up, in his frequently rash tackling, in his recovery speed. And, yes, he's seemingly better in a three-man midfield, which Liverpool rarely uses.

    All players have faults; it's balancing the good against the bad. As long as the positives outweigh the negatives in the manager's mind.

    We can argue whether Liverpool would be better in a different formation, with support from two other "orthodox" central midfielders rather than the 4-2-2-2/4-3-3 half measure that has Henderson often coming inside. Or whether Spearing's a better partner for Lucas in the formation Liverpool's using. Those are questions for management. However hesitant I am (and you should be) to criticize Dalglish's evolutionary team after less than a third of the campaign gone, they're valid debates.

    But the main reason Liverpool bought Adam from Blackpool was to create chances. And Charlie Adam creates chances.

    http://ohyoubeauty.blogspot.com/2011/11/charlie-adam-creates-chances.html

    Opr


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,385 ✭✭✭✭D'Agger


    I would've thought Enrique may have been on that list tbh


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Leiva


    opr wrote: »


    Quote:
    Rotheram pressed Murdoch to pledge that The Sun would be closed down, as the News of the World was, if evidence emerged to prove its reporters were involved in phone-hacking.

    I would hit my local and get fairly pissed with celebration if that day ever arrived .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,267 ✭✭✭opr


    PaulieC wrote: »
    I would've thought Enrique may have been on that list tbh

    It says he is, joint with the same number as Suarez on 20.

    Opr


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,073 ✭✭✭Devilman40k


    What that article shows is the glaring deficiency we all know exists. We need more midfielders in and around the box and a better number 9 (unfortunately)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,385 ✭✭✭✭D'Agger


    opr wrote: »
    It says he is, joint with the same number as Suarez on 20.

    Opr
    Apologies - speed reading at work leads to errors!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,473 ✭✭✭✭Super-Rush


    Martin Kelly just scored a cracker for the U21's and Henderson is playing very very well also.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,267 ✭✭✭opr


    Is Kelly playing CB ?

    Flanagan, Morgan, Coady and Andre Wisdom all started for England U19's tonight!

    Opr


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,516 ✭✭✭Daemonic


    super-rush wrote: »
    Martin Kelly just scored a cracker for the U21's and Henderson is playing very very well also.
    What position is Henderson playing?


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