United Ireland

pajunior · 08-11-2011 04:07PM

Doc Ruby wrote: »

Are we not all starting to fall more or less under the same political umbrella these days anyway, what with the EU? Its quite likely that even if Republican sentiment does gain the upper hand in the north, and lets face it, thats a real possibility, it may very well be academic by the time it happens. A bit like Roscommon being annexed by Galway.

You mean the British join a European Federal State?

Now that would be comical

Doc Ruby · 08-11-2011 04:10PM

pajunior wrote: »

You mean the British join a European Federal State?

Maybe more like the north joining a European Federal state, rather than Ireland as such.

KeithAFC · 08-11-2011 04:14PM

parker kent wrote: »

I don't want another of this threads either, but if somebody did that it would probably be met with posts about Zombie threads and be locked a few minutes later.

FWIW I think we are becoming more united little by little. If Catholics do continue to grow in the North and if God forbid, Sinn Fein grew in popularity down here, it might happen in the next 50 years.

United in what way? If anything, partition is stronger now than it was 30 years ago. The two countries are on more friendly terms and recognise and respect each other. Sinn Fein will be be an irrelevant party in 20 years time anyway.

pajunior · 08-11-2011 04:15PM

KeithAFC wrote: »

United in what way? If anything, partition is stronger now than it was 30 years ago. The two countries are on more friendly terms and recognise and respect each other. Sinn Fein will be be an irrelevant party in 20 years time anyway.

Very true, once Catholics were treated the same way as protestants then suddenly being a British citizen was awesome.

Jayob10 · 08-11-2011 04:17PM

tfitzgerald wrote: »

The British government would drop the north in the morning if they could figure out a way to do it with out losing face. It's costing them a fortune in money and time to stay there . Most of the north sea oil has gone into propping up the north . In 25/30 years the republicans will be in the majority and then the north will vote to return to the south and any other wishfull thinking is rubbish

the good friday agreement allows for a future majority vote. Right now the Protestant community would have the majority and vote to be classified as the UK if the vote was held tomorrow. Hence the Catholic minority have a right to veto right now.

In 15-20 years Catholics will outweigh Protestants. The Catholics will seek to enforce this vote at that time, but the one ambiguous thing about the good friday agreement is that Protestants (who will be in the minority by then) have received assurance they will have the same veto.

So the future vote aspect of it is extremely ambiguous. Its a grey area. A bit like the North itself over the years.

Morlar · 08-11-2011 04:18PM

KeithAFC wrote: »

Sinn Fein will be be an irrelevant party in 20 years time anyway.

Loyalists have been predicting that for almost a hundred years

http://www.militaria-archive.com/independence/vb-scrapb1/content/bing/images/large/Vincent_Byrne_Scrapbook_136.jpg

sensibleken · 08-11-2011 04:21PM

Jayob10 wrote: »

the good friday agreement allows for a future majority vote. Right now the Protestant community would have the majority and vote to be classified as the UK if the vote was held tomorrow. Hence the Catholic minority have a right to veto right now.

In 15-20 years Catholics will outweigh Protestants. The Catholics will seek to enforce this vote at that time, but the one ambiguous thing about the good friday agreement is that Protestants (who will be in the minority by then) have received assurance they will have the same veto.

So the future vote aspect of it is extremely ambiguous. Its a grey area. A bit like the North itself over the years.

neither religion nor nationalism are genetically determined

Jayob10 · 08-11-2011 04:29PM

sensibleken wrote: »

neither religion nor nationalism are genetically determined

very true, but its on the balance of probabilities.

A catholic may indeed wish to remain a part of the UK and vice versa but they will be in the minority wishing to do so not matter what way you look at it.

Its a question of numbers.

Its all hypothetical however, as we have no way of knowing how this future veto afforded to loyalists will be interpreted. The wording used is that it will look at the precedent (the existing right to veto that Catholic communities have).

FetchTheGin · 08-11-2011 04:30PM

pajunior wrote: »

Very true, once Catholics were treated the same way as protestants then suddenly being a British citizen was awesome.

Yes, getting fair treatment and equality is "awesome" alright. Jesus wept.

moco · 08-11-2011 04:32PM

Why are people saying Catholics will outnumber Protestants in the north in years to come?

Wolfe Tone · 08-11-2011 04:35PM

moco wrote: »

Why are people saying Catholics will outnumber Protestants in the north in years to come?

Because that is the way the demographics are heading

moco · 08-11-2011 04:38PM

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

Because that is the way the demographics are heading

Oh I see! Wonder why that is

Celly Smunt · 08-11-2011 04:42PM

Cameron Poe wrote: »

The Catholic population of the north is increasing steadily (or it was unless they've stopped riding without johnnys) while the Unionist population is not increasing to the same level. So when there's more Catholics they'll want to be in our gang instead of King Charles gang.

since when is it about catholics and unionists?

Cameron Poe · 08-11-2011 04:47PM

pmcmahon wrote: »

since when is it about catholics and unionists?

Since I said so.

retalivity · 08-11-2011 04:55PM

religion is dying there, much like everywhere else in western europe (hurrah!).

unfortunately the polarization has just moved on to 'irish' and 'british' rather than catholics and protestants.

Celly Smunt · 08-11-2011 04:57PM

retalivity wrote: »

religion is dying there, much like everywhere else in western europe (hurrah!).

unfortunately the polarization has just moved on to 'irish' and 'british' rather than catholics and protestants.

it has always been "irish and british",textbooks just find it easier to lob both groups into catholics and protestants,for example look at all the Protestants voting for sinn fein now because they have better social Policies than most of the unionist parties,Religion has never played a part.

Krusader · 08-11-2011 05:02PM

Thw British dont want it the Irish dont want it, it will become an independent state

retalivity · 08-11-2011 05:08PM

Religion has never played a part.

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Sunnyisland · 08-11-2011 05:08PM

Crosáidí wrote: »

The British don't want it the Irish don't want it, it will become an independent state

Every major political party in the 26 counties would like to see a united Ireland albeit under the terms of the GFA.

Celly Smunt · 08-11-2011 05:15PM

realies wrote: »

Every major political party in the 26 counties would like to see a united Ireland albeit under the terms of the GFA.

I disagree,i don't think any of the mainstream political parties would like an economic and social black hole enter their cabinet.

laoch na mona · 08-11-2011 05:27PM

most counties in the north have more nationalist politicians than unionist politicians

Jayob10 · 08-11-2011 05:29PM

pmcmahon wrote: »

I disagree,i don't think any of the mainstream political parties would like an economic and social black hole enter their cabinet.

dont be naive, of course they do. If only so it serves the purpose of the party in power dining out on it for the rest of its days.

SmartHass · 08-11-2011 05:29PM

Just remove London from Derry and id be happy with that

Wolfe Tone · 08-11-2011 05:30PM

SmartHass wrote: »

Just remove London from Derry and id be happy with that

I see the "occupy" movement has spread to Derry. Thats nothing new, Derrys been occupied for hundreds of years!

08-11-2011 05:38PM

Cameron Poe wrote: »

So when there's more Catholics they'll want to be in our gang instead of King Charles gang.

The last thing we need here is more Catholics.

Celly Smunt · 08-11-2011 05:44PM

Jayob10 wrote: »

dont be naive, of course they do. If only so it serves the purpose of the party in power dining out on it for the rest of its days.

or it's a great topic to bring voters to vote in the electorate for their parties without any intention of carrying through their promise.There'll never be a united Ireland under the Tri Colour ever.

Sunnyisland · 08-11-2011 05:49PM

Wolfe Tone wrote: »

I see the "occupy" movement has spread to Derry. Thats nothing new, Derrys been occupied for hundreds of years!

:D

Sunnyisland · 08-11-2011 05:51PM

mcmahon wrote: »

or it's a great topic to bring voters to vote in the electorate for their parties without any intention of carrying through their promise.There'll never be a united Ireland under the Tricolour ever.

Don't worry the flag maybe up for negotiation

Celly Smunt · 08-11-2011 05:52PM

realies wrote: »

Don't worry the flag maybe up for negotiation

Ireland under the Union Flag would be a pretty sight i must admit

Sunnyisland · 08-11-2011 05:54PM

pmcmahon wrote: »

Ireland under the Union Flag would be a pretty sight i must admit

:eek::eek::D

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