A.P.S.

.K.A.L.I.M.A. · 07-11-2011 01:40AM

Haven't really seen much but my friend will be getting his KWA LMT Defender M4 tomorrow so I'll have to have a look at that during the weekend.

As for the gearbox, did you try a ULTIMATE Gearbox in a A.P.S. airsoft rifle or a certain one like a JG, DBoys etc...???

Italianstyle · 07-11-2011 01:56AM

I wouldn't change the gearbox in them at all. The only upgrade would be to put in new shims and better bearings. As for the blown fuse, its prob got a nip in the wires and is shorting out. I just fixed one today with the same thing. And no its not a fault with the gun before anyone says it.

Bobby Baccala · 07-11-2011 05:10PM

.K.A.L.I.M.A. wrote: »

Haven't really seen much but my friend will be getting his KWA LMT Defender M4 tomorrow so I'll have to have a look at that during the weekend.

As for the gearbox, did you try a ULTIMATE Gearbox in a A.P.S. airsoft rifle or a certain one like a JG, DBoys etc...???

why would you put a jg gearbox in it?

Leftyflip · 07-11-2011 05:50PM

.K.A.L.I.M.A. wrote: »

Haven't really seen much but my friend will be getting his KWA LMT Defender M4 tomorrow so I'll have to have a look at that during the weekend.

As for the gearbox, did you try a ULTIMATE Gearbox in a A.P.S. airsoft rifle or a certain one like a JG, DBoys etc...???

Tried Dboys , JG, SRC, VFC and a Cyma shell, all would have required modification to fit.

as for making an APS decent. New barrel and hop, piston, cylinder, spring, spring guide, bushings, shims, new trigger contacts, basically everything.

Bobby Baccala · 07-11-2011 05:58PM

Leftyflip wrote: »

Tried Dboys , JG, SRC, VFC and a Cyma shell, all would have required modification to fit.

as for making an APS decent. New barrel and hop, piston, cylinder, spring, spring guide, bushings, shims, new trigger contacts, basically everything.

New gun?:D:D

$kilkenny · 07-11-2011 09:27PM

lol and thats only to make them decent....
nearly the price of a G&G proline there.

OddysAirsoft · 07-11-2011 09:52PM

The new version 2 APS guns have all new internals that are 100% TM compatible. They are completely redesigned internally with a built in Mossfet to control the juice. They have moved to full metal bushings too.Also they have redesigned the hop unit. Externally the build quality is superb, the only down side being the Mag Well is too big for most mags but that is easily fixed! The big point of this gun is the price and its market entry. It is a budget, sport line gun and for the money there is very little out there to touch it. G&G plastic range maybe - but tbh I think G&G have let slide their quality control because most of the G&G we have tested lately have failed with in hours of playing -from high end to low! So many people knock a product who have never even used it - I can hand on my heart say I have used them on a number of occasions. Would I buy one -no! Why? Because I like to own high end guns - that's all! Would I recommend them -absolutely! To the right airsofter!

Thermo wrote:

which are poorly designed and constructed, even worse than a classic army sportline

I know Thermo knows a bit about guns, so I am surprised he comes out with a statement like this - because after reading that, and if that's his honest opinion - I would have to start to question his gun knowledge! Classic Army sportline? Seriously?

To finish - just look at it this way - if you were to take EVERY single budget gun on the market in the same price bracket as the APS and independently tested each and everyone - I think you would find the APS would be nearer the top end of those tested than the bottom!

Sheep, sheep, sheep, crocodile, sheep!

Leftyflip · 07-11-2011 10:07PM

OddysAirsoft wrote: »

I know Thermo knows a bit about guns, so I am surprised he comes out with a statement like this - because after reading that, and if that's his honest opinion - I would have to start to question his gun knowledge! Classic Army sportline? Seriously?

Now before I go into anything - I'm not disagreeing with you for the sake of it.
Thermo is right in his statement. I've had more APS guns on my desk than CA Sportlines. I'd sooner buy a Sportline than an APS.

Common Sportline failures are the spur gear and piston. Easily and cheaply replaced. Common APS failures are the gearbox shell cracking at the front, the switch assembly melting. Spring guide breaking and putting plastic shards all over the gearbox, the wiring frying. The "bolt" plate breaking, the "bolt carrier" breaking, the spring for the same breaking.

Just saying...

I'm at a roughly 3:1 ratio of APS to other brands at the moment. In having said that I've two Raiders in the queue that need to be fixed. One after being used almost every weekend for 18 months and one which has an issue which was never resolved by a previous tech. But the APS guns just top the list for being sub par and having horrible failures, many failing within the first 6-8 games from what I've seen.

thermo · 07-11-2011 11:17PM

OddysAirsoft wrote: »

I know Thermo knows a bit about guns, so I am surprised he comes out with a statement like this - because after reading that, and if that's his honest opinion - I would have to start to question his gun knowledge! Classic Army sportline? Seriously?

to be honest i had based my opinion on the gen 1 stuff having worked on several of the first ones in the country i found the internals to be poor and based my opinion on that. i dont need to chronicle the faults with the gen 1 set ups, they are widely known.
i have not worked on the new gen 2 (infact i was unaware they had released redesigned guns) yet. but i look forward to getting a look at one first hand and maybe even actually opening it up and having a proper look to see what they are like and how they have been improved.

.K.A.L.I.M.A. · 09-11-2011 01:42AM

thermo wrote: »

to be honest i had based my opinion on the gen 1 stuff having worked on several of the first ones in the country i found the internals to be poor and based my opinion on that. i dont need to chronicle the faults with the gen 1 set ups, they are widely known.
i have not worked on the new gen 2 (infact i was unaware they had released redesigned guns) yet. but i look forward to getting a look at one first hand and maybe even actually opening it up and having a proper look to see what they are like and how they have been improved.

Seesm they did released a new Gearbox:
http://www.airsoftaps.com/catalog/news.php?osCsid=26925e6d676fbb2edcbe56ec5aaf7a4b

thermo · 09-11-2011 04:10PM

.K.A.L.I.M.A. wrote: »

Seesm they did released a new Gearbox:
http://www.airsoftaps.com/catalog/news.php?osCsid=26925e6d676fbb2edcbe56ec5aaf7a4b

AND?? i still would'nt buy one without looking at an open one first.

OddysAirsoft · 10-11-2011 08:23AM

Myself and Chris opened the new version of the gearbox - found out some really interesting stuff too - not is all good in the camp with the new guns but the gear box is a massive improvement! I have videoed the whole process and will be doing a series of vids on the new APS guns - an M4 and an AK.

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