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Ha, take that Ratzinger!

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  • #62
    fitz0
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    Corkfeen wrote: »
    I love the fact that every few years, the communist threat seems to crop up for no apparent reason. On a related note, anyone growing a moustache for Movember? It's clearly further Communism... Mine is looking rather like this Stalin's. God damn Commies are hiding around every corner.

    Affirmative on Movember. The hat just seemed to come out of nowhere. I've had to shave to avoid cheating but I'll get a proper Stalin going soon.


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  • #63
    texidub
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    The Quadratic Equation wrote: »
    Gimore volunteered, and could opt out at any time, all Germans children were forced to join the Nazi Youth. So would you consider all those german children as "guilty" as Benedict ?

    Stop grovelling. Thousands of Germans were conscientious objectors too.

    I'm not a member of the death cult myself, but they do place a lot of emphasis on virtue and moral courage, I'm told. With this is mind, I'd have thought someone who *refused* to fight with the Nazis would be a better role model.

    And given the absolutist ethics (as opposed to utilitarian ethics) prefered by the death cult, I'd have thought Ratzinger's participation in the Nazi war machine would automatically exclude him from being worthy of being leader.

    But God works in mysterious ways I'm told so perhaps the arbiters of morality SHOULD in fact be ex-Nazis. In fact, in order to control the moral world of others it is essential to have commited as many atrocities as possible. Allegedly.


  • #64
    recedite
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    texidub wrote: »
    I'm not a member of the death cult myself, but they do place a lot of emphasis on virtue and moral courage, I'm told. With this is mind, I'd have thought someone who *refused* to fight with the Nazis would be a better role model.
    After the Hitler Youth, young Ratzy was conscripted into a luftwaffe anti-aircraft battery and finally ended up in the infantry. As the Yankee army approached, he waited until he could see the whites of their eyes, and then deserted his post, heading straight back home.

    Personally, I feel he deserves much more recognition for this noble act of defiance against nazi-ism.


  • #65
    The Quadratic Equation
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    texidub wrote: »
    With this is mind, I'd have thought someone who *refused* to fight with the Nazis would be a better role model.

    That's exactly what he did, when he was conscripted into the Hitler Youth he refused to attend the meetings, and when he was transferred to the army he deserted at the first opportunity he could.

    Yet Comrade Gilmore has achieved what Hitler failed to do and closed the Irish Embassy in the Vatican.

    72 countries maintain embassies in the Vatican.

    The UK maintains a very active vatican Embassy and yet a mere 9% of the population are RC.

    Due to lack of funds that we gave away to wealthy FF developers and cronies, we've now joined the illustrious ranks of North Korea, China, Vietnam, Angola etc. The Chinese regime has come out to congratulate Ireland on the move. We're now an international laughing stock in the Western World. Keep clapping lads.


  • #66
    MrPudding
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    The Quadratic Equation wrote: »

    72 countries maintain embassies in the Vatican.
    I am hoping, as the vatican fear, that more will follow suit. This dispicible, even, child rape enabling organisation needs brought down a peg or two. If the first blow comes from Ireland then I am proud to be irish.
    The Quadratic Equation wrote: »
    The UK maintains a vatican embassey and yet only 6% of the population are RC.
    The UK is hardly a shining example. With a bit of luck they will cop on too.

    MrP


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  • #67
    The Quadratic Equation
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    MrPudding wrote: »
    This dispicible, even, child rape enabling organisation

    Its been proven time and time again on the clerical abuse thread in the Christianity forum, this is an outright lie.
    Kenny was also badly caught out standing up in the Dail and telling exactly the same lie.
    When this was proven, he used Comrade Gilmore to close the Irish embassy in a sulk.

    Pathetic, but I'm glad they done it and showed their true cards again.


  • #68
    The Quadratic Equation
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    MrPudding wrote: »
    The UK is hardly a shining example.

    Exactly, with their record on abortion in particular.


  • #69
    marienbad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    The Quadratic Equation wrote: »
    That's exactly what he did, when he was conscripted into the Hitler Youth he refused to attend the meetings, and when he was transferred to the army he deserted at the first opportunity he could.

    Yet Comrade Gilmore has achieved what Hitler failed to do and closed the Irish Embassy in the Vatican.

    72 countries maintain embassies in the Vatican.

    The UK maintains a very active vatican Embassy and yet a mere 9% of the population are RC.

    Due to lack of funds that we gave away to wealthy FF developers and cronies, we've now joined the illustrious ranks of North Korea, China, Vietnam, Angola etc. The Chinese regime has come out to congratulate Ireland on the move. We're now an international laughing stock in the Western World. Keep clapping lads.

    He deserted to the Americans - how brave ! Correct me if I am wrong but is it not correct that the Skandinavian countries do not have an embassy either ? Not bad company really .


  • #70
    fitz0
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    The Quadratic Equation wrote: »
    We're now an international laughing stock in the Western World. Keep clapping lads.

    I don't see much funny in this situation.

    I mean, come on. We closed our embassy in the Vatican! Thats no laughing matter, certainly not anything to clap about. What's next - bible burning, church burning, priest burning, communion burning, *gasp* gay marriage? It's a slippery slope into hell. This hellbound train of communists, socialists, filthy heathens and cursed sinners wouldn't be happening if the rest of you had voted for Dana!

    It's nice to play the other side for once.:pac:

    But seriously TQE, why the obsession with communism?


  • #71
    mikom
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    The Quadratic Equation wrote: »
    Exactly, with their record on abortion in particular.

    This record?
    .
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78zsif0iz1s


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  • #72
    sensibleken
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    religious people are funny!


  • #73
    marienbad
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    The Quadratic Equation wrote: »
    Its been proven time and time again on the clerical abuse thread in the Christianity forum, this is an outright lie.
    Kenny was also badly caught out standing up in the Dail and telling exactly the same lie.
    When this was proven, he used Comrade Gilmore to close the Irish embassy in a sulk.

    Pathetic, but I'm glad they done it and showed their true cards again.

    Most definitely not proven time and time again, as the latest survey from the Iona Institute shows and I posted on that thread if you care to take up the cudgels there again.

    If one bishop covered up the church covered up- what is so difficult to accept about that, they are after all princes of the church are they not ? I can can give you a lot more examples than just one. This charade of hiding behind ''the vatican did'nt know'' and demanding the smoking gun linking the Pope directly just dos'nt wash ( Particularly as any smoking gun will be well hidden within the Vatican walls) and people in general know that even if you dont.


  • #74
    CiaranMT
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    The Quadratic Equation wrote: »
    Correct. Including the free will to force other people to comply with yours.

    Quality troll effort.
    The Quadratic Equation wrote: »
    We're now an international laughing stock in the Western World. Keep clapping lads.

    Guys, the Americans are laughing at us. Open up the embassy, I don't wanna look silly in front of them :(
    The Quadratic Equation wrote: »
    Its been proven time and time again on the clerical abuse thread in the Christianity forum, this is an outright lie.


    So Brady, Ratzinger, et al, reported the abuses they were aware of to the civil authorities once they heard of them?

    Did they f*ck.


  • #75
    Plautus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 759 ✭✭✭Plautus


    Yet Comrade Gilmore has achieved what Hitler failed to do and closed the Irish Embassy in the Vatican.

    *sips* Hmmm, the water from this well seems to be ... poisoned.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_the_well

    As it happens, we're not the 'laughing stock' of anyone except the deranged Alive readership. France led the way in practical-jokery in this area back in 2008 when it tried to get a gay ambassador accredited to the Vatican. The Pope said 'no u' and France hasn't seen fit to nominate a second choice at the time of writing.

    And that's because, yup, it's regarded as numbingly unimportant. Embassies in general are reckoned to have dubious merit in the 'information age' and with the opportunities now available to meet other countries' representatives under one tent at so many international organisations.

    Catholic friendly source: http://ncronline.org/node/2074


  • #76
    Galvasean
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    Plautus wrote: »
    *sips* Hmmm, the water from this well seems to be ... poisoned.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_the_well

    First time I've heard of that. That's why I like this forum. You always find out new things.


  • #77
    recedite
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    The Quadratic Equation wrote: »
    when he was transferred to the army he deserted at the first opportunity he could.
    eh... no, he only deserted when there was a chance of being shot at.
    Yet Comrade Gilmore has achieved what Hitler failed to do and closed the Irish Embassy in the Vatican.
    Google the phrase Gott mit uns


  • #78
    The Quadratic Equation
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    recedite wrote: »
    eh... no, he only deserted when there was a chance of being shot at.

    er . . no any sooner and he would have been executed for desertion.
    recedite wrote: »
    Google the phrase Gott mit uns

    You should indeed. LOL I love the way the living dead use Nazi propaganda to support their beliefs. Priceless.

    Gott_mit_uns_-_polish_resistance_poster%2C_German-occupied_Poland%2C_1943.jpg


  • #79
    Plautus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 759 ✭✭✭Plautus


    I think Ratzinger's dilemma in the early 1940s was pretty unenviable. When he was a teenager.

    a.) conscientiously object and face imprisonment in a camp for political undesirables and 'asocials', with a high probability of execution. Probably be forced to do labour for the war effort either way,

    or

    b.) do the job, stay alive, but a horrible job for all that.

    Gunter Grass, 'conscience' of the post-war German literati (for it is he, of Die Blechtrommel fame) outed his Waffen-SS membership a few years ago.

    I prefer to criticise Ratzinger on more robust grounds than having worked the FlaK cannon outside of the BMW factory in 1943. I don't think, at that age, I would have felt like I had any other choice either. Would that have made me a bad person? Intuitively, I'd say no. It's not the same thing as lighting the fires of crematoria in the death camps.

    Ratzinger's rap sheet tends to begin very much after he gets out of the seminary in 1951, for me.

    Edit: And oh no, we're not heading toward 'Atheists=Nazis' again, are we? I'll pre-emptively wail and gnash my teeth.


  • #80
    recedite
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    Jaysus if we had known that Hitler's master plan was to close the Irish Embassy in the Vatican, someone could have had a word in DeValera's ear and saved millions of lives throughout Europe.


  • #81
    Galvasean
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    The Quadratic Equation wrote: »

    You should indeed. LOL I love the way you use Nazi propaganda to support your beliefs.

    File:Gott_mit_uns_-_polish_resistance_poster,_German-occupied_Poland,_1943.jpg

    Not gonna try explain this so?

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  • #82
    Galvasean
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    Plautus wrote: »
    Ratzinger's rap sheet tends to begin very much after he gets out of the seminary in 1951, for me.

    Indeed. I'd be more inclined to criticize him for the heinous acts he committed while claiming to be God's own representation on Earth.


  • #83
    The Quadratic Equation
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    Galvasean wrote: »
    Not gonna try explain this so?

    26032d1233246492-gott-mit-uns-belt-buckle-real-fake-m4_68-aluminium-nowa-dated-1939-front.jpg&sa=X&ei=IxC3To72Acy0hAeX4qSpBA&ved=0CAwQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNF-XcDHYRUYkVcZb38M_ofyoacdCw

    I already did, and as I said, I love the way you guys keep promoting Nazi propaganda as gospel !

    Hint : If you want millions of duped Prodestant Germans to join your Nazi/Occult infantry, it helps if your put some propaganda on your belt buckle. Of course you don't have to tell them which God, or that his name was actually Adolf.

    The SS of course were able to dispense with this charade for their own belt buckles.


  • #84
    recedite
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    The Quadratic Equation wrote: »
    I love the way the living dead use Nazi propaganda to support their beliefs. Priceless.

    Gott_mit_uns_-_polish_resistance_poster%2C_German-occupied_Poland%2C_1943.jpg

    That's a Polish anti-nazi poster. The Poles also claimed God on their side, although He was so busy with the Nazis He didn't have much time for them.

    Where are these Nazi Zombies you refer to? Sounds interesting.


  • #85
    Daftendirekt
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    The Quadratic Equation wrote: »
    Due to lack of funds that we gave away to wealthy FF developers and cronies, we've now joined the illustrious ranks of North Korea, China, Vietnam, Angola etc. The Chinese regime has come out to congratulate Ireland on the move. We're now an international laughing stock in the Western World. Keep clapping lads.

    You greatly overestimate the relevance of the Vatican in the eyes of the western world. The only people who will be bothered by this are the Vatican itself and its more hardline followers. Also, resentment is a much more likely reaction than laughter.

    I do think it's a shame that Gilmore is playing down the symbolic significance of the act though. Given that the embassy was probably there for largely symbolic reasons in the first place, it could be seen as an indication that Ireland has finally begun moving on from its ties with the Catholic Church in earnest.

    Yay us.


  • #86
    Plautus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 759 ✭✭✭Plautus


    Ah, I see, mentioning the Protestants okay, but to mention the other major sect in Germany is dirty and sectarian.

    The Catholics, remember them? Hitler's smallholders and Bavarian farmers, his very first voter base? The Church with whom he concluded a Concordat for the purposes of asserting his credentials in that area? Cesare Orsenigo, the nuncio in Berlin so obsequious that select parts of the Catholic hierarchy were nauseated by him?

    Hitler obviously isn't much of a model Catholic or Protestant, but he was baptised as one of those denominations.

    No point in air-brushing it out of the way when the central accusation being made is that the Nazis were ULTRA-ATHEISTS(tm) who eliminated all religion, were never supported by churches, and who never courted religious sects to shore up their regime.


  • #87
    Sarky
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    Baptised, was he? So Hitler wasn't an atheist, he was just a bad Catholic.


  • #88
    Paparazzo
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    Plautus wrote: »
    I think Ratzinger's dilemma in the early 1940s was pretty unenviable. When he was a teenager.

    a.) conscientiously object and face imprisonment in a camp for political undesirables and 'asocials', with a high probability of execution. Probably be forced to do labour for the war effort either way,

    or

    b.) do the job, stay alive, but a horrible job for all that.

    Gunter Grass, 'conscience' of the post-war German literati (for it is he, of Die Blechtrommel fame) outed his Waffen-SS membership a few years ago.

    I prefer to criticise Ratzinger on more robust grounds than having worked the FlaK cannon outside of the BMW factory in 1943. I don't think, at that age, I would have felt like I had any other choice either. Would that have made me a bad person? Intuitively, I'd say no. It's not the same thing as lighting the fires of crematoria in the death camps.

    Ratzinger's rap sheet tends to begin very much after he gets out of the seminary in 1951, for me.

    Edit: And oh no, we're not heading toward 'Atheists=Nazis' again, are we? I'll pre-emptively wail and gnash my teeth.
    Didn't the Jehovah's Withness's have the balls to stand up for their religion? They were persecuted, but surely if you believe in god, that's irrelevant.


  • #89
    The Quadratic Equation
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    Plautus wrote: »
    Ah, I see, mentioning the Protestants okay, but to mention the other major sect in Germany is dirty and sectarian.

    The Catholics, remember them? Hitler's smallholders and Bavarian farmers, his very first voter base? The Church with whom he concluded a Concordat for the purposes of asserting his credentials in that area? Cesare Orsenigo, the nuncio in Berlin so obsequious that select parts of the Catholic hierarchy were nauseated by him?

    Hitler obviously isn't much of a model Catholic or Protestant, but he was baptised as one of those denominations.

    No point in air-brushing it out of the way when the central accusation being made is that the Nazis were ULTRA-ATHEISTS(tm) who eliminated all religion, were never supported by churches, and who never courted religious sects to shore up their regime.


    German soldiers had Gott mit uns inscribed on their helmets in the First World War." To the Germans it was a rallying cry, "a Protestant as well as an Imperial motto, the expression of German religious, political and ethnic single-mindedness, or the numerous unity of altar, throne and Volk". The slogan entered the mindset on both sides; in 1916 a cartoon was printed in the New York Tribune captioned "Gott Mit Uns!", showing "a German officer in spiked helmet holding a smoking revolver as he stood over the bleeding form of a nurse. It symbolized the rising popular demand that the United States shed its neutrality. The Nazi's, as they so often did, just stuck a swastika on what was already a tradtional German/Prussan symbol.

    http://books.google.com/books?id=n4Eo9JpM3LsC&pg=PA42&dq=%22Gott+mit+uns&lr=#v=onepage&q=%22Gott%20mit%20uns&f=false[/quote]


  • #90
    Plautus
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    @Paparazzo They did, but I'm not going to be the one that says that a 14 year old boy should have fallen on his sword and gone to a concentration camp.

    Quite what is the relevance of pointing that out to me, Quadratic? Hitler was from the Bavarian/Austrian milieu and his religious support-base was assuredly broader than the North German Protestantism associated with the Kulturkampf of Wilhelmine Germany. We're not going to get into denialism of this rather straightforward historical truth, are we?


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  • #91
    Galvasean
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    The Quadratic Equation wrote: »
    I already did, and as I said, I love the way you guys keep promoting Nazi propaganda as gospel !

    Hint : If you want millions of duped Prodestant Germans to join your Nazi/Occult infantry, it helps if your put some propaganda on your belt buckle. Of course you don't have to tell them which God, or that his name was actually Adolf.

    The SS of course were able to dispense with this charade for their own belt buckles.

    So when the Nazis proclaim to be acting under God it's just nasty propaganda, but when Stalin massacres people it's the fault of damn dirty atheism?


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