Munster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread.

Amazotheamazing · 04-11-2011 05:12PM

MaryKing wrote: »

I edited my post above to include this point:

EDIT: Before writing off the AIL + B+I Cup, bear in mind that Nagle (MOTM against Australia), Murray (capped), POM (youngest ever Munster captain) & Sherry (called up to the world cup) seemed to have made the transition easily enough, might be working.

There is a point when most of them will know whether they've got it or not. The Ryan brothers could still be playing here, but they were moved on.

The AIL certainly has a role to play, was I back in Limerick I'd be going to Munsters Garryowen match tonight, but it has it's limits. POM for example, should be furious if he plays more AIL than Pro12 this season.

wixfjord · 04-11-2011 05:13PM

phog wrote: »

Maybe so but were all Eoin O'Malley's caps for the full 80? he was the example of Leinster giving gametime earlier to their future stars.

28 and 6 according to LR, with 7 full games this season so far.

CIARAN_BOYLE · 04-11-2011 05:15PM

phog wrote: »

Maybe so but were all Eoin O'Malley's caps for the full 80? he was the example of Leinster giving gametime earlier to their future stars.

28 starts for the full 80 and 6 substitute appearances for less

In fairness Barnes (1 year younger) is around the same spot as EOM this time last year in terms of game time

Fireball07 · 04-11-2011 05:20PM

[Jackass] wrote: »

Just like I was with Tomas O'Leary, I'm perfectly content with all the hype surrounding Murray. Last it was Jones, who'll be the next flavour of the month / second coming of the messiah to save Munster rugby?

posted in the spirit of the day that's in it

Tbqh...in my experience people never warmed that much TOL. I think it had something to do with Stringer being such a favourite but I know a lot of people who resented TOL playing even when he was great form. I think Murray looks a lot better.

And Jones is a quality player. He's not going to be a messiah but he's a very good back. Same with Murray.

pajunior wrote: »

Ian Nagle is often singled out as the best young player in Munster if not Ireland yet he has less caps then Deasy and Archer

Is Nagle really called the best young player in Munster?? I'd have thought players like POM are more hyped, not to mention Murray now.

Amazotheamazing · 04-11-2011 05:26PM

Fireball07 wrote: »

Tbqh...in my experience people never warmed that much TOL. I think it had something to do with Stringer being such a favourite but I know a lot of people who resented TOL playing even when he was great form. I think Murray looks a lot better.

And Jones is a quality player. He's not going to be a messiah but he's a very good back. Same with Murray.

Yeah, O'Leary has never really been a fans favourite for Munster. Indeed, it's hard to think of any player, ronan maybe, who gets as much criticism.

I fear we'll never see the best of Jones, the injuries have robbed him of a lot of rugby.

CIARAN_BOYLE · 04-11-2011 05:31PM

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

I fear we'll never see the best of Jones, the injuries have robbed him of a lot of rugby.

Agreed but fair play to Munster taking a punt on him

MaryKing · 04-11-2011 05:31PM

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

The AIL certainly has a role to play, was I back in Limerick I'd be going to Munsters Garryowen match tonight, but it has it's limits. POM for example, should be furious if he plays more AIL than Pro12 this season.

I don't think he will have any problem getting gametime this season with Quinlan & Wallace out of action.

Which of them do you support?

Amazotheamazing · 04-11-2011 05:35PM

MaryKing wrote: »

I don't think he will have any problem getting gametime this season with Quinlan & Wallace out of action.

Which of them do you support?

That's like asking the third secret of Fatima! Have feet in both camps for this one.

Would be very curious to see how Burke and Kelleher (should they start) do against Doyle and Hircock (as above).

MaryKing · 04-11-2011 05:49PM

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

28 starts for the full 80 and 6 substitute appearances for less

In fairness Barnes (1 year younger) is around the same spot as EOM this time last year in terms of game time

Here is a breakdown of the two players:

Danny Barnes (DOB Oct 1989).
09/10: 1 + 1(87 mins)
10/11: 4 + 3 (344 mins)
11/12: 5 + 1 (397 mins)

Total time 828 mins (5 tries)

Eoin O'Malley (DOB July 88)
08/09: 0
09/10: 4 +3 (372 ins)
10/11: 17 +2 (1405)
11/12: 7 (560 mins)

Total time: 2337 (scoring 2 tries).

Not too sure whether the sub appearances are correct or not, but the time should be.

MaryKing · 04-11-2011 05:53PM

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

That's like asking the third secret of Fatima! Have feet in both camps for this one.

Would be very curious to see how Burke and Kelleher (should they start) do against Doyle and Hircock (as above).

Waiting to see who wins then, are you? Cookies are going well so far!

Amazotheamazing · 04-11-2011 05:59PM

MaryKing wrote: »

Here is a breakdown of the two players:

Danny Barnes (DOB Oct 1989).
09/10: 1 + 1(87 mins)
10/11: 4 + 3 (344 mins)
11/12: 5 + 1 (397 mins)

Total time 828 mins (5 tries)

Eoin O'Malley (DOB July 88)
08/09: 0
09/10: 4 +3 (372 ins)
10/11: 17 +2 (1405)
11/12: 7 (560 mins)

Total time: 2337 (scoring 2 tries).

Not too sure whether the sub appearances are correct or not, but the time should be.

Barnes has a great strike rate alright, though I'd say 4 of those tries have come from hard work and chasing through kicks than godlike skill. I know he'll work hard but does he have that bit extra that most our backs don't have?

GerM · 04-11-2011 06:05PM

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

Barnes has a great strike rate alright, though I'd say 4 of those tries have come from hard work and chasing through kicks than godlike skill. I know he'll work hard but does he have that bit extra that most our backs don't have?

That's something I massively admire Barnes for. He's a good player. Not top class but a solid prospect. However, he works his nuts off for what he gets. He chases lost causes, gets in the face of opposition and has a bit of terrier in him. I don't think he's ever going to be a player that we'll be screaming for to be included in the national side but it won't be for a lack of effort on his part.

ormond lad · 04-11-2011 06:09PM

MaryKing wrote: »

I presume Donncha Ryan was playing both for Ormond and Gaa and Shannon poached him!

Ormond can kill the interviewer for that, not me!

Shannon didnt poach donnacha as he was in college in cork when he joined them.
Donnacha started playing rugby at 17 as he wanted to play a sport over the winter to keep fit as he was aiming to be on the following years tipp minor panel
Pat Whelan(super coach from nenagh) convinced him to play rugby and he immediately(with a bit of help from pat) made munster and irish youths then helped munchins win the senior cup in 2002. He didnt join shannon until 2004 having played in cork for a year

Amazotheamazing · 04-11-2011 06:09PM

GerM wrote: »

That's something I massively admire Barnes for. He's a good player. Not top class but a solid prospect. However, he works his nuts off for what he gets. He chases lost causes, gets in the face of opposition and has a bit of terrier in him. I don't think he's ever going to be a player that we'll be screaming for to be included in the national side but it won't be for a lack of effort on his part.

I'm in no way criticising the guy fo it, it's the first quality I like in any player but Munster need guys with that bit extra.

Amazotheamazing · 04-11-2011 06:10PM

ormond lad wrote: »

Shannon didnt poach donnacha as he was in college in cork when he joined them.
Donnacha started playing rugby at 17 as he wanted to play a sport over the winter to keep fit as he was aiming to be on the following years tipp minor panel
Pat Whelan(super coach from nenagh) convinced him to play rugby and he immediately(with a bit of help from pat) made munster and irish youths then helped munchins win the senior cup in 2002. He didnt join shannon until 2004 having played in cork for a year

I asked earlier but it seemed to get lost in the flood, how's Gleeson going with Shannon, was chatting to a guy from Nenagh who had only good to things to say about him.

GerM · 04-11-2011 06:21PM

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

I'm in no way criticising the guy fo it, it's the first quality I like in any player but Munster need guys with that bit extra.

I wasn't contradicting you; I'm entirely in agreement, just expanding on it.

MaryKing · 04-11-2011 06:44PM

ormond lad wrote: »

Shannon didnt poach donnacha as he was in college in cork when he joined them.
Donnacha started playing rugby at 17 as he wanted to play a sport over the winter to keep fit as he was aiming to be on the following years tipp minor panel
Pat Whelan(super coach from nenagh) convinced him to play rugby and he immediately(with a bit of help from pat) made munster and irish youths then helped munchins win the senior cup in 2002. He didnt join shannon until 2004 having played in cork for a year

Thanks for that.

People wonder where all the Munster underage talent is - they are all playing GAA up to 17! Conor Murray said something to the effect about his local gaa club now that he is capped, accept that he is a rugby player.

Is the part true about Michael Cheika approaching D Ryan after seeing him play against UCD (presumably for UCC?)

profitius · 04-11-2011 09:57PM

I thought the Munster pack were very good tonight. The set pieces were good and they used the maul as a weapon. Foleys influence is starting to show.

All we need now is TMG to select the right team.

Risteard · 04-11-2011 10:06PM

profitius wrote: »

I thought the Munster pack were very good tonight. The set pieces were good and they used the maul as a weapon. Foleys influence is starting to show.

All we need now is TMG to select the right team.

We need some sort of attack though, our backs aren't able to put a coherent attack together and tbh, as I said i match thread, I don't believe it's all the players.

On the ref, I thought he was decent enough, couple of calls I disagreed with and one confusing period where he said 'no hands Leinster.' And then penalised Munster. Now, it was a Leinster penalty but why say 'no hands?' That's bit perrnickety though, though he was fairly consistent all game.

Fireball07 · 04-11-2011 10:06PM

I thought it was an okay performance. We weren't bad but we weren't that good either.

Way too many stupid penalties. Some of them were just idiotic. There was at least 2 penalties that should never ever have happened. If we could've stamp out the stupidity, then it would have been a lot closer at the end and we might have had a realistic chance of winning.

Still need to be more clinical with our own chances. When Heaslip got binned, O'Leary should never have taken that ball. It should have been kept tight, we were much more likely to score.

I was hugely impressed with Danny Barnes. I thought he was very good, extremely encouraging performance.

Still...If Earls has ligament damage, that's a massive blow. I don't know if he would have made much of a difference today but he is the best finisher in the team.

The maul was good.

The scrum was good.

The lineout was decent. Stole 2 or 3 of theirs, and Varley only messed up 1 (I think...).

budhabob · 04-11-2011 10:25PM

Fireball07 wrote: »

I thought it was an okay performance. We weren't bad but we weren't that good either.

Way too many stupid penalties. Some of them were just idiotic. There was at least 2 penalties that should never ever have happened. If we could've stamp out the stupidity, then it would have been a lot closer at the end and we might have had a realistic chance of winning.

Still need to be more clinical with our own chances. When Heaslip got binned, O'Leary should never have taken that ball. It should have been kept tight, we were much more likely to score.

I was hugely impressed with Danny Barnes. I thought he was very good, extremely encouraging performance.

Still...If Earls has ligament damage, that's a massive blow. I don't know if he would have made much of a difference today but he is the best finisher in the team.

The maul was good.

The scrum was good.

The lineout was decent. Stole 2 or 3 of theirs, and Varley only messed up 1 (I think...).

I would have to agree with most of that...but as I said in the match thread,Murphy deserves a lot of credit after tonight,he was good in the air and our most dangerous back on the ball. I think it was one of his best games.

I thought Barnes did very well on the wing and out of position.

Chambers didn't get a chance to shine, but he wasn't shown up in defence.

If we had started with coughlan and POM I think the game would have been much closer.

04-11-2011 10:29PM

I thought Chambers was very good. He's clearly still got a lot of settling to do, but he seems like a decent thinking player.

Fireball07 · 04-11-2011 10:32PM

budhabob wrote: »

I would have to agree with most of that...but as I said in the match thread,Murphy deserves a lot of credit after tonight,he was good in the air and our most dangerous back on the ball. I think it was one of his best games.

I thought Barnes did very well on the wing and out of position.

Chambers didn't get a chance to shine, but he wasn't shown up in defence.

If we had started with coughlan and POM I think the game would have been much closer.

Murphy was good but the time when he and Howlett ran into each other was so frustrating and led to a penalty. I'd blame him for that...as he was coming from behind and should have seen Howlett. I don't know who called it but it was idiotic. His break at the end was very good and in general, was good throughout.

I thought Leamy was good too actually. Yellow card was deserved, unfortunately.

It's a pity. Even if ROG had kicked the penalty he missed, we could have been on to sneak it at the end. But every time Leinster came forward they got a penalty which isn't good enough.

irishbucsfan · 05-11-2011 01:43AM

Fireball07 wrote: »

Murphy was good but the time when he and Howlett ran into each other was so frustrating and led to a penalty. I'd blame him for that...as he was coming from behind and should have seen Howlett. I don't know who called it but it was idiotic. His break at the end was very good and in general, was good throughout.

The man coming from behind always takes the ball. It's the same at every level of rugby, right up to the pros. It was completely Howlett's fault. He should have heard Murphy calling for it and backed off. I'd imagine he just simply didn't hear him.

Amazotheamazing · 05-11-2011 02:32AM

Our discipline is beyond a joke now, and I'm amazed journo's don't make more out of it. We give away so much every game, points-wise and position-wise.

budhabob · 05-11-2011 08:44AM

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

Our discipline is beyond a joke now, and I'm amazed journo's don't make more out of it. We give away so much every game, points-wise and position-wise.

Agreed, and we dont even give away "the lesser of two evil" types of penalties.....we give away stupid ones. Its something that needs improving very quickly.

wixfjord · 05-11-2011 07:52PM

Interesting Mr. "Tremenjus" on RTE just said that Munster were in negotiations with both Nonu and Toeava.

CatFromHue · 05-11-2011 07:55PM

wixfjord wrote: »

Interesting Mr. "Tremenjus" on RTE just said that Munster were in negotiations with both Nonu and Toeava.

It was getting very juicy before O Brien in true RTE rugby panel presenter form interrupted him.

Risteard · 05-11-2011 08:05PM

Medical report on Toeava was poor he said before being interrupted. Nonu opted to stay in NZ rather than come up North.

He would have been a great signing, though tbh, I still think a lot of our problems are down to coaching than the actual player.

phog · 05-11-2011 09:32PM

Nothing official on Earls but here's a tweet from Simon Zebo

Wish earlsy a speedy recovery,small tweak in his knee,couple weeks and hel be flying as usual

My take is that he's out for our 1st round of H/C pool games and will hopefully be back for the 2nd round in mid December.

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