Munster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread.

Amazotheamazing · 01-11-2011 10:48PM

phog wrote: »

I've no idea how good or bad Cotter is but I' imagine if he's as good as some say he is POC would surely be whispering in someones ears, wouldnt he? would he?

It's worth remembering that even though he's in the Academy, he could and probably is, eons away from being fit enough for pro rugby. It takes time to get a body ready for the sort of punishment a pro has to take.

ScrubsfanChris · 02-11-2011 01:16AM

Just heard about Fastnet going bust...

My trip to the Munsters/Scarlets game is off now

castie · 02-11-2011 02:49AM

ScrubsfanChris wrote: »

Just heard about Fastnet going bust...

My trip to the Munsters/Scarlets game is off now

Not go from roslare?

Podge_irl · 02-11-2011 02:54AM

thomond2006 wrote: »

Murray, ROG, Earls, Mafi, Chambers, Howlett, Murphy

I'd be fairly distraught if Leinster didn't do nasty things to that backline.

I have no doubt I'm just massively out of the loop here, but what's Chambers' story?

totallegend · 02-11-2011 07:22AM

Podge_irl wrote: »

I'd be fairly distraught if Leinster didn't do nasty things to that backline.

I have no doubt I'm just massively out of the loop here, but what's Chambers' story?

Very open question there Podge...

He's an Aussie signed on a short-term (6 months I think) deal, played Super 15 for the Reds and is a former league player, looked decent against Aironi, insofar as any of the backs looked good that night. Plays 13 so he's competing more against Barnes than against Mafi.

thomond2006 · 02-11-2011 12:14PM

Munster Squad:
M Horan, W du Preez, J Hayes, BJ Botha, S Archer,
D Varley, D Fogarty,
M O'Driscoll, D Ryan, D O'Callaghan, P O'Connell, B Holland,
D Leamy, N Ronan, P O'Mahony, T O'Donnell, J Coughlan,

T O'Leary, C Murray, D Williams, P Stringer,
I Keatley, R O'Gara,
K Earls, D Barnes, L Mafi, W Chambers, D Howlett, D Hurley, J Murphy, S Deasy,

(Not considered due to injury: David Wallace, Troy Smith, Felix Jones, Jerry Flannery, Peter Borlase, Darragh Hurley, Mike Sherry, Dave O'Callaghan).

DOC will surely start this one for gametime purposes, the question then is does Leamy or Ryan start at 6.

Amazotheamazing · 02-11-2011 12:19PM

Interesting that munster have conceded 4 tries, the next best defence has conceded 9. Leinster will be a massive test of this record. Attacking wise, we've scored 10 tries whereas leinster have scored 12. I can't see anything other than a big leinster win though, we aren't playing well.

bamboozle · 02-11-2011 12:41PM

Flincher wrote: »

I've very rarely seen that Young Munster pack under pressure at the scrum. More often than not they have the dominant set piece, and that was even the case at the weekend when they were missing Slattery to a red card (Feckin touch judge missed the Shannon man who started it!).

I don't see how Munster would have lost out by having Cotter in the bench a couple of times this year. I'll try and keep faith in the judgment of the experts, but it must be frustrating when the props that YM front row would eat for breakfast seem to be getting the breaks.

Clontarf scored a penalty try against YM's scrum a few weeks back and generally dominated the scrum, not sure who were propping for YM on the day though. i wouldnt be suprised if YM were missing a fair few of their pack on the day as the players out were very small for AIL i thought.

CatFromHue · 02-11-2011 12:42PM

When are the teams announced? I'd a thought it would have been today.

Ryan finished last season well enough in the back row and it could be argued he looked sharper for Ireland in his cameos at the World Cup.

The line out will be a crucial aread. Having a third jumping option in Ryan could be very benefical.

ScrubsfanChris · 02-11-2011 01:21PM

castie wrote: »

Not go from roslare?

It was a package that included transport(bus) to and from match.
I'd have to bring the car and find accommodation in Wales if I went on the Rosslare ferry.

Amazotheamazing · 02-11-2011 02:21PM

bamboozle wrote: »

Clontarf scored a penalty try against YM's scrum a few weeks back and generally dominated the scrum, not sure who were propping for YM on the day though. i wouldnt be suprised if YM were missing a fair few of their pack on the day as the players out were very small for AIL i thought.

That try was scored when Slattery was sin-binned, iirc? Cotter didn't start that day either.

Amazotheamazing · 02-11-2011 07:56PM

Some photos of training.

http://www.munsterrugby.ie/rugby/9621.php

Judgement Day · 02-11-2011 08:40PM

After the Aironi game I'm not expecting much from this but perhaps the 'big' occasion will get to Leinster.

wixfjord · 02-11-2011 08:43PM

Judgement Day wrote: »

After the Aironi game I'm not expecting much from this but perhaps the 'big' occasion will get to Leinster.

2 from 2 JD...

danthefan · 02-11-2011 10:18PM

CatFromHue wrote: »

When are the teams announced? I'd a thought it would have been today.

Ryan finished last season well enough in the back row and it could be argued he looked sharper for Ireland in his cameos at the World Cup.

The line out will be a crucial aread. Having a third jumping option in Ryan could be very benefical.

Leinster seem to announce their teams on a Thursday for a Friday match or a Friday for a Sat or Sun match. So you can assume tomorrow at 12.

thomond2006 · 02-11-2011 10:23PM

Impartial (!!) preview coming on well lads, just awaiting the teams so I can sledge Sexton and call Hayes a ligind.

Amazotheamazing · 02-11-2011 10:44PM

CatFromHue wrote: »

When are the teams announced? I'd a thought it would have been today.

Ryan finished last season well enough in the back row and it could be argued he looked sharper for Ireland in his cameos at the World Cup.

The line out will be a crucial aread. Having a third jumping option in Ryan could be very benefical.

Just on this, should he start, POM is very good in the lineout. That being said, apparently Ronan was the 7 with the main team today so he'll probably start and POM bench.

CIARAN_BOYLE · 02-11-2011 10:53PM

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

Just on this, should he start, POM is very good in the lineout.

I've never really noticed but now that you mention it thinking back POM is prety good in the lineout. Good to have another backrow option who can jump. I remember against Italy in the 6N we were outnumbered 4 to 2 in the lineout when we had SOB Leamy and Wallace in the back row. Not a lineout threat between the three of them.

Its also why Donnacha Ryan got such a run at 6 last year imo. If you have Leamy Coghlan and Wallace across the backrow you don't have a jumping thread.

I always like having a third jumper in the backrow.

Podge_irl · 02-11-2011 11:17PM

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

Interesting that munster have conceded 4 tries, the next best defence has conceded 9. Leinster will be a massive test of this record. Attacking wise, we've scored 10 tries whereas leinster have scored 12. I can't see anything other than a big leinster win though, we aren't playing well.

Munster seem to be conceding a fair few penalties and an absolute buttload of yellow cards though.

While Leinster have conceded a reasonably high number of tries, their overall points conceded is second best to Munster.

Kind of implies Munster are playing a much more spoiling game then Leinster. Be interesting to see how things manifest on Friday.

Amazotheamazing · 02-11-2011 11:26PM

Podge_irl wrote: »

Munster seem to be conceding a fair few penalties and an absolute buttload of yellow cards though.

While Leinster have conceded a reasonably high number of tries, their overall points conceded is second best to Munster.

Kind of implies Munster are playing a much more spoiling game then Leinster. Be interesting to see how things manifest on Friday.

Considering how often we're down to 14 men, over defence is even more impressive!

Would be interesting to see how many kickable penalties each team has conceded, I think Leinster are especially good at giving away penalties in the right part of the pitch.

Amazotheamazing · 02-11-2011 11:27PM

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

I've never really noticed but now that you mention it thinking back POM is prety good in the lineout. Good to have another backrow option who can jump. I remember against Italy in the 6N we were outnumbered 4 to 2 in the lineout when we had SOB Leamy and Wallace in the back row. Not a lineout threat between the three of them.

Its also why Donnacha Ryan got such a run at 6 last year imo. If you have Leamy Coghlan and Wallace across the backrow you don't have a jumping thread.

I always like having a third jumper in the backrow.

Or, if we start Ryan and POM, we could have four jumpers, shame neither fit hooker can throw though.

PhatPiggins · 03-11-2011 12:59AM

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

Or, if we start Ryan and POM, we could have four jumpers, shame neither fit hooker can throw though.

Varley trows fine to 2 and 4 but is ropey anything past that. We'll need the tail jumper to work if we're to have any chance against Leinster.

Fogarty is so bad I'd wouldn't expect him to hit the ground if he was aiming for it.

thomond2006 · 03-11-2011 09:49AM

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

Just on this, should he start, POM is very good in the lineout. That being said, apparently Ronan was the 7 with the main team today so he'll probably start and POM bench.

POM was also in the main team when I saw them train, so it could be either.

phog · 03-11-2011 10:07AM

Podge_irl wrote: »

Munster seem to be conceding a fair few penalties and an absolute buttload of yellow cards though.

While Leinster have conceded a reasonably high number of tries, their overall points conceded is second best to Munster.

Kind of implies Munster are playing a much more spoiling game then Leinster. Be interesting to see how things manifest on Friday.

We're way out in front on the YCs but using the stats from Scrum.com the penalty count from the pool stages of H/Cup last year are:

Munster averaged 12 pens per game (highest in 1 game was 16 away to Ospreys)
Leinster averaged 11 pens per game (highest in 1 game was 15 away to Sacracens)

PhatPiggins · 03-11-2011 11:13AM

phog wrote: »

We're way out in front on the YCs but using the stats from Scrum.com the penalty count from the pool stages of H/Cup last year are:

Munster averaged 12 pens per game (highest in 1 game was 16 away to Ospreys)
Leinster averaged 11 pens per game (highest in 1 game was 15 away to Sacracens)

It would appear that the tactic of screaming at the ref used by successive Munster captains is not paying off :rolleyes:

thomond2006 · 03-11-2011 12:45PM

Munster.
J Murphy; D Howlett, W Chambers, L Mafi, K Earls; R O'Gara, C Murray;
W du Preez, D Varley, BJ Botha; D O'Callaghan, P O'Connell capt; D Ryan, N Ronan, D Leamy.

Replacements. D Fogarty, M Horan, J Hayes, P O'Mahony, J Coughlan, T O'Leary, I Keatley, D Barnes.

That backrow selection is depressing, we're gonna get creamed there.

Any confidence I had is ebbing away...

Benny Cake · 03-11-2011 12:48PM

thomond2006 wrote: »

Munster.
J Murphy; D Howlett, W Chambers, L Mafi, K Earls; R O'Gara, C Murray;
W du Preez, D Varley, BJ Botha; D O'Callaghan, P O'Connell capt; D Ryan, N Ronan, D Leamy.

Replacements. D Fogarty, M Horan, J Hayes, P O'Mahony, J Coughlan, T O'Leary, I Keatley, D Barnes.

That backrow selection is depressing, we're gonna get creamed there.

Any confidence I had is ebbing away...

FFS!! What does an exciting, good young player like POM have to do to get ahead of a mediocre journeyman like Ronan???

That selection alone has ruined my day!

padraig.od · 03-11-2011 12:51PM

Munster will never move forward with McGahan. Is that pretty much the same team that limped out of the HC against Toulon?

Quint2010 · 03-11-2011 12:56PM

thomond2006 wrote: »

Munster.
J Murphy; D Howlett, W Chambers, L Mafi, K Earls; R O'Gara, C Murray;
W du Preez, D Varley, BJ Botha; D O'Callaghan, P O'Connell capt; D Ryan, N Ronan, D Leamy.

Replacements. D Fogarty, M Horan, J Hayes, P O'Mahony, J Coughlan, T O'Leary, I Keatley, D Barnes.

That backrow selection is depressing, we're gonna get creamed there.

Any confidence I had is ebbing away...

Leamy at 8? I just dont understand that call. Coughlan I thought played well for ye last weekend. And Ronan at 7? What happened POM?
My sympathies.

thomond2006 · 03-11-2011 12:57PM

I'm actually depressed now, all the youngsters getting gametime during the mickey mouse games but all jettisoned when it counts. :mad:

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