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Did you receive an information leaflet from the referendum commission?

  • 26-10-2011 01:06PM
    #1
    Wertz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,909 ✭✭✭✭


    Just a quick poll to see if you or your address/place of residence received the literature that is supposed to be supplied to voters prior to the upcoming referendums.
    There have been a lot of radio and TV ads that to call them dumbed down would be an insult to the dumb, and of course there is a website, that few will actually visit and cuts out those who don't use the net.

    This independent body is obliged by law to inform the voters in a clear and unbiased manner on the exact issues they will vote on and no doubt receive plenty of funding and salaries to carrry out that work.
    However, anyone I've spoken to between here and Dublin have gotten nothing and some were still very confused about what these votes on the constitution mean.

    Poll incoming

    Did you recive such a leaflet? 141 votes

    Yes
    0% 0 votes
    No
    37% 53 votes
    Maybe, don't know, could be in the bin
    53% 76 votes
    Don't care/waste of money/atari jaguar etc
    8% 12 votes


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Comments

  • #2
    Yakult
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 7,943 Mod ✭✭✭✭Yakult


    A lot of people I've talked to don't have a clue what they are voting for.


  • #3
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    The only info I've seen or heard about the voting are the ads on TV. And they're not very informative. I think they simplify the issues in bias way to make them sound good.


  • #4
    Temptamperu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,303 ✭✭✭Temptamperu


    weve just had presidential nonsense here nothing about the referendums... its almost like they dont want you to know :confused:


  • #5
    Fishooks12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,318 ✭✭✭Fishooks12


    Yakult wrote: »
    A lot of people I've talked to don't have a clue what they are voting for.


    Tell them to get informed so

    It's really not that difficult


  • #6
    amacachi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,315 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    Nothing here yet. In fairness they've had a lot of ads on RTE pointing to their website which may be enough. Was in the post office yesterday actually and I could've sworn there used to be plenty in there when referendums were coming up but I didn't see anything this time.


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  • #7
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,808 ✭✭✭✭smash


    I can't actually even access http://www.referendum2011.ie/


  • #8
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    I received mine last Thursday. Sure the commission's website was only accessible since last week too afaik. I'm almost convinced they don't want people to know what they're voting on.


  • #9
    Wertz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,909 ✭✭✭✭Wertz


    smash wrote: »
    The only info I've seen or heard about the voting are the ads on TV. And they're not very informative. I think they simplify the issues in bias way to make them sound good.

    That's the way they come across to me that way too...the patronising tone, the different ones for different regions (mooing cows for local radio here, metrosexual cooking chic for Dublinocentric stations) and the general tendency toward "Yes is best".
    My name is URL wrote: »
    I received mine last Thursday. Sure the commission's website was only accessible since last week too afaik. I'm almost convinced they don't want people to know what they're voting on.

    Interesting...you're in Dunleer right? Yet no one in Dundalk I've spoken with has had them...nor any in Drogheda. All on electroal register btw.


  • #10
    amacachi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,315 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    Wertz wrote: »
    and the general tendency toward "Yes is best".

    You say that but isn't "not knowing what you're voting on" one of the top reasons for a No vote? In which case the lack of detail is overwhelmingly pro-No. :pac:


  • #11
    Kojak
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,801 ✭✭✭✭Kojak


    Didn't recieve any info.

    DOn't really care anyways - I'm voting NO on the 2 referendums, mainly because the government wants us to vote YES.


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  • #12
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Wertz wrote: »
    Interesting...you're in Dunleer right? Yet no one in Dundalk I've spoken with has had them...nor any in Drogheda. All on electroal register btw.

    Well just outside Dunleer. That's nuts that you don't know anyone in the towns that have received theirs. That's not on.. These wasters are paid handsomely to make sure that people can inform themselves about what it is they're voting on. My polling card arrived on the same day, incidentally.
    Kojak wrote: »
    Didn't recieve any info.

    DOn't really care anyways - I'm voting NO on the 2 referendums, mainly because the government wants us to vote YES.

    That's great, but according to the latest Red C poll, 87% & 76% plan on voting Yes to the judge's pay and oireachtas enquiries referendums respectively.

    http://www.thejournal.ie/gallagher-extends-lead-in-latest-presidential-opinion-polls-260880-Oct2011/


  • #13
    Zebra3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,299 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Not sure as I get so much junk mail.

    Don't care if I did get it or not.

    I'll simply be voting for the opposite of whatever the likes of Sutherland are supporting.


  • #14
    Lollipops23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,420 ✭✭✭Lollipops23


    I am voting yes on decreasing judges pay (don't see how that could be a bad thing really) but the jury is still out about enquiring into people's conduct. I want to see people investigated for white collar crime, but at the expense of civil liberties?

    Not sure, open to suggestions/opinions though.


  • #15
    Lone Stone
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭Lone Stone


    I dont understand what the hell they want us to vote on, Why should they have the power to investigate people? Who do they want to investigate exactly? What exactly does a politician know about investigating some one's activities ? Surely thats a job for the Garda or some one and not corrupt td.

    And i dont think i got any information on it sent to my house, I just saw those awful add's.


  • #16
    JohnK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,775 ✭✭✭JohnK


    Nope, I'm in Cork and I've only got the presidential candidates leaflets but nothing about the referendums. Nothings come to my parents house which is where I'm registered and nothing has come to my apartment where previous tenants are registered; both locations are in the same area though.


  • #17
    Wertz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,909 ✭✭✭✭Wertz


    To be fair it's only relatives and friends I've asked in passing...all have received polling cards where applicable.

    As for voting the opposite of Sutherland, I'd normally agree 100%...on this occasion however, it only takes a read of the proposed re-wording and it's lack of clarity to tell you this isn't the way to go.
    As for judge's pay...the instinct is to say, yeah f*ck em, overpaid public servants etc...but it's a potential line of attack on the separation of powers.

    Go away and redraft it properly ffs.


  • #18
    Dravokivich
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,424 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    Fishooks12 wrote: »
    Yakult wrote: »
    A lot of people I've talked to don't have a clue what they are voting for.


    Tell them to get informed so

    It's really not that difficult

    hmmm... but it the instance you dont know its going to happen? How easy is it to be informed then?

    I only found out there was a referendum lumped in with the presedential voting on Sunday when a mate was talking to me about it.

    I rarely if ever watch rte and yesterday was the first time I saw ads for it on the telly, 2 of them are sh!te in the way they are produced.

    I regularly use the rte news website and have never seen anything on that about it either. There only seems to be a ramp up of telling the masses about it now.

    If it wasnt for my mate saying it, I honestly wouldnt have known it was going to happen.


  • #19
    Azureus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,130 ✭✭✭Azureus


    Didnt recieve any info on them in the post, but researched it a bit myself because of the tv ads. They seem fierce vauge in their wording-was left questioning what exactly certain things meant-so I think they should really either provide some literature clarifying things or wait until they've properly thought this referendum through before asking people to vote on it.


  • #20
    MagicMarker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    No one has any excuse to be ignorant, there's loads of tv and radio ads telling you about what's going on with a mention of the website, if people don't seek out the information then that's their own fault.


  • #21
    BluesBerry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,221 ✭✭✭BluesBerry


    I heard that if there is a Yes vote to the Judges pay the other one will get in through some loophole even if everyone voted no on the other

    Please can someone tell me if this is true?

    We have not been informed properly the government tried to hoodwink us this

    Im voting No to both


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  • #22
    billybudd
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,497 ✭✭✭billybudd


    I have not recieved one yet but i use the net away to find out about these things. maybe the civil servants in charge of postals that week was sick.:D


  • #23
    Lollipops23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,420 ✭✭✭Lollipops23


    Wertz wrote: »
    As for voting the opposite of Sutherland, I'd normally agree 100%...on this occasion however, it only takes a read of the proposed re-wording and it's lack of clarity to tell you this isn't the way to go.
    As for judge's pay...the instinct is to say, yeah f*ck em, overpaid public servants etc...but it's a potential line of attack on the separation of powers.

    Go away and redraft it properly ffs.

    Yeah I'm always a bit suspicious when they fail to explain it properly...


  • #24
    sdanseo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,300 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    All I know is that the guy on the radio ad is a damn good cook, apparently.


  • #25
    Dravokivich
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,424 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    Hmm.. only just seen this thread now as well asking if we knew there was a referendum occuring.


  • #26
    SeaFields
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,551 ✭✭✭SeaFields


    Hmmm....if a majority of people dont receive this info and the government dont get the answer they want (in the investigation one, the judges pay one s a given I hope) could we be asked to vote again?! Certainly leaves the option open to them I suspect.

    For the record my registered address at my parents and my own address received none.


  • #27
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    SeaFields wrote: »
    Hmmm....if a majority of people dont receive this info and the government dont get the answer they want (in the investigation one, the judges pay one s a given I hope) could we be asked to vote again?! Certainly leaves the option open to them I suspect.

    For the record my registered address at my parents and my own address received none.

    85% of judges have already taken the proposed pay-cut on a voluntary basis. Is diminishing the separation of power between the executive & the judiciary really worth it for the sake of forcing the 15% of others to do the same?

    You can be asked to vote again on any referendum btw.


  • #28
    SeaFields
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,551 ✭✭✭SeaFields


    My name is URL wrote: »
    Is diminishing the separation of power between the executive & the judiciary really worth it for the sake of forcing the 15% of others to do the same?

    To be honest I'll but my hands up and say I dont know enough of the argument for keeping it the way it is. From this point of view it just seems to me that they are public sector workers who are above having their pay cut. That might seem like a populist sentiment but its how I'm looking at it.

    The leaflets that were supposed to arrive may have been useful for many people in properly understanding the issue and making a more informed decision.


  • #29
    amacachi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,315 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    BluesBerry wrote: »
    I heard that if there is a Yes vote to the Judges pay the other one will get in through some loophole even if everyone voted no on the other

    Please can someone tell me if this is true?
    It's not, how could it be?
    My name is URL wrote: »
    85% of judges have already taken the proposed pay-cut on a voluntary basis. Is diminishing the separation of power between the executive & the judiciary really worth it for the sake of forcing the 15% of others to do the same?

    You can be asked to vote again on any referendum btw.
    Meh, I still say their above inflation pay-rises diminished the seperation of powers.


  • #30
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    SeaFields wrote: »
    To be honest I'll but my hands up and say I dont know enough of the argument for keeping it the way it is. From this point of view it just seems to me that they are public sector workers who are above having their pay cut. That might seem like a populist sentiment but its how I'm looking at it.

    The leaflets that were supposed to arrive may have been useful for many people in properly understanding the issue and making a more informed decision.

    Aye, that's fair enough, and to be honest I agree with the idea that those who see themselves as 'above' anyone else in the public sector should be taken down a peg. I just don't think that it should be done in this way. There's loads of stuff which needs to be amended in our constitution which is far more important than this.

    I'm amazed at how many people have not received the information leaflet. If that many people were not receiving their polling cards then something would be done about it, and the referendum would possibly even be postponed.. and tbh I'd view not having the information the same as I would not having a polling card.


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  • #31
    Yakult
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 7,943 Mod ✭✭✭✭Yakult


    What are the cons to voting yes re: judges pay?


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