what did john terry say?

michael999999 · 25-10-2011 09:52PM

Oliiver Kay was on Matt Cooper tonight,he seems to think Terry does have a case to answer!

Also said that there is absolutely no evidence either verbal or on video against Suarez. Expects the allegation to just fizzle out!

ThunbergsAreGo · 25-10-2011 09:57PM

If anything happens on this, i hope it will signal a crackdown on all racist AND homophobic abuse that goes on in the game.

Homophobia seems an accepted part of the game today,at least efforts are being made to cut out racism

monkey9 · 25-10-2011 09:57PM

michael999999 wrote: »

Terry has admitted he said it! Hes now trying to change the context it was said in!

But he's not trying to change the context, is he?? He came out that night and told his side of story. He hasn't said anything else to the contrary, has he?? Unless i've genuinely missed something!

niallo27 · 25-10-2011 10:00PM

michael999999 wrote: »

Oliiver Kay was on Matt Cooper tonight,he seems to think Terry does have a case to answer!

Also said that there is absolutely no evidence either verbal or on video against Suarez. Expects the allegation to just fizzle out!

It shouldnt just fizzel out though, its getting too easy to cry wolf these days and suffer no repercussions.

michael999999 · 25-10-2011 10:08PM

monkey9 wrote: »

But he's not trying to change the context, is he?? He came out that night and told his side of story. He hasn't said anything else to the contrary, has he?? Unless i've genuinely missed something!

As far as i know Terry said that himself and Ferdinand had sorted out what Terry was calling a misunderstanding after the game. seems according to a reporter tonight this may not be the case and that QPR and Ferdinand are pushing the case!

I think i heard it on "Off the Ball" tonight.

monkey9 · 25-10-2011 10:16PM

niallo27 wrote: »

It shouldnt just fizzel out though, its getting too easy to cry wolf these days and suffer no repercussions.

This is what p!sses me off. Terry's been caught out big time, one way or the other. Yet Suarez's ten at least racist taunts have neither been seen or heard by anyone else, yet he still has that hanging over him going foward!!

michael999999 · 25-10-2011 10:20PM

ENGLAND CAPTAIN

Urugyan player.

FA priorities.

mike65 · 25-10-2011 10:50PM

pistolpetes11 wrote: »

It would be nice to have a statement from Ferdinand at this stage .

He won't indeed probably can't say anything now.

MagicMarker wrote: »

It's a bit strange that QPR submit an official complaint after some randomer sitting in front of the TV did.

If Anton Ferdinand didn't feel it was worth a mention after the match then it's hard to imagine there's anything in it.

He might have felt that making a complaint was not going to do him any favours esp as it would be against England's Brave John Terry

Sir Gallagher · 25-10-2011 11:06PM

pistolpetes11 wrote: »

Should be facing a lenghty ban , a police charge and his contract terminated .

Same for Suarez and Cesc Fab

You can say whatever about being banned or having his contract terminated. But a police charge for calling somebody a black bastard? Way over the top.

I wasn't aware he admitted saying it, what kind of context could a statement like that be put in?

amiable · 25-10-2011 11:08PM

Sir Gallagher wrote: »

You can say whatever about being banned or having his contract terminated. But a police charge for calling somebody a black bastard? Way over the top.

I wasn't aware he admitted saying it, what kind of context could a statement like that be put in?

AFAIK Terry claims he just repeated what Ferdinand accused him of saying.

Racism is a criminal offence in England

Sir Gallagher · 25-10-2011 11:13PM

amiable wrote: »

AFAIK Terry claims he just repeated what Ferdinand accused him of saying.

Racism is a criminal offence in England

Ah i see.

Criminal offence or not i think it would be ridiculous for him to be charged over that. But if it's the law of the land so be it.

amiable · 25-10-2011 11:21PM

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/John-Terry-racism-row-Chelsea-star-will-lose-England-captaincy-if-found-guilty-of-racial-slurs-article820572.html

John Terry could be stripped of the England captaincy if an FA inquiry finds him guilty of racially abusing QPR defender Anton Ferdinand.
Rangers called in the FA on Tuesday after holding talks with Ferdinand and the governing body announced later they would be investigating the incident.
Terry welcomed news of the probe and vowed to clear his name

Now we can reveal that Ferdinand’s version of events differssignificantlyfrom those offered by Terry in his statement on Sunday night.
Terry had insisted he was trying to clarify he had NOT used the term “f*****g black c**t”.
But when the pair clashed during Rangers’ 1-0 win over Chelsea on Sunday, Ferdinand is understood to have aimed a jibe at Terry relating to his marital life.
Crucially, it is believed Ferdinand did not actually HEAR Terry utter the words which were caught on camera.
He is said not to have mentioned the incident in the Rangers dressing room – and held peace talks with Terry for that reason.
Ferdinand only learned of Terry’s alleged slur when he was alerted to footage of it late on Sunday night.

And after a day to gather his thoughts, Ferdinand held talks with Rangers officials before the decision was taken to call in the FA.
Ferdinand is believed to have felt so strongly he insisted the FA’s anti-racism campaign would have been a sham had they not investigated.
Terry said: “I welcome the FA inquiry and look forward to clearing my name as soon as possible.”
The FA have charged Chelsea with failing to control their players against QPR and asked manager Andre Villas-Boas to explain comments made about referee Chris Foy, who booked seven Chelsea players and sent off two more.
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Lord Herman Ouseley, chairman of the Kick It Out campaign:
“Not so long ago, players receiving racist abuse had to keep their heads down and bite their tongues when it came to reporting it. Through working with players, fans and governing bodies, Kick It Out has helped root this out.
“People have confidence that the game in general, from the authorities to referees, will be more proactive in bringing incidents to the fore.
“Players shouldn’t be put off from reporting abuse. The game has worked tirelessly to ensure structures are in place that allow racist abuse to be reported and for the perpetrator to be brought to book.”

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amiable · 25-10-2011 11:27PM

It would appear John Terry's explaination of events is very different to Anton Ferdinand's

monkey9 · 25-10-2011 11:29PM

Sir Gallagher wrote: »

Ah i see.

Criminal offence or not i think it would be ridiculous for him to be charged over that. But if it's the law of the land so be it.

I think it's a case of Terry claiming that Ferdinand accused him of calling him a 'black cvnt', and Terry responding along the lines of "i didn't call you a black cvnt". (with a bit more aggression in terms of the emphasis in how he responded and i'm sure, a few other swear words)

So what seems to have happened, (and this is my interpretation), tweeters have gone and accused Terry of racially abusing Ferdinand after seeing him say 'black cvnt'. And then some f*cking dickhead xfactor wannabe has made a complaint to the police after seeing it on tv.

But Terry is caught right on tv saying what he said so surely a lip reader can prove this?? Surely he or she can lip read what was said either side of the fatal words!!

wheres me jumpa · 25-10-2011 11:37PM

Racism is the new diving, point the finger when its a player at another club, defend the player constantly when he is one of yours.

RandolphEsq · 26-10-2011 12:07AM

monkey9 wrote: »

I think it's a case of Terry claiming that Ferdinand accused him of calling him a 'black cvnt', and Terry responding along the lines of "i didn't call you a black cvnt". (with a bit more aggression in terms of the emphasis in how he responded and i'm sure, a few other swear words)

That's what Terry said straight after the match, along with Anton Ferdinand and him clearing it up at the time. That should be what the investigation concludes. I hope they don't scalp him just for the sake of it. If Terry was a racist he wouldn't have made it so far in the Premiership for so long!

jaykay74 · 26-10-2011 08:37AM

How very Daily Mail

So, Mr Evra and Mr Ferdinand, I know you feel insulted. But perhaps in this case you could just put up with it and get on with the game.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2052843/John-Terry-racism-row-Anton-Ferdinand-game.html

BaZmO* · 26-10-2011 08:49AM

RandolphEsq wrote: »

If Terry was a racist he wouldn't have made it so far in the Premiership for so long!

Look how far Big Ron made it.

Beefy78 · 26-10-2011 01:34PM

From reading that quote in post.103 it doesn't look like Terry has anything to answer for. Ferdinand didn't hear him and is basing his complaint on Terry denying he was racist. WTFF?

amiable · 26-10-2011 01:36PM

Beefy78 wrote: »

From reading that quote in post.103 it doesn't look like Terry has anything to answer for. Ferdinand didn't hear him and is basing his complaint on Terry denying he was racist. WTFF?

So if that's the case surely that puts a huge question mark over Terry's justification for saying it if Ferdinand never heard it in the first place?

Boom_Bap · 26-10-2011 01:43PM

<snip>
I've removed my original post on this.

On a more serious note, myself and my father where watching the game and we both noticed that it looked like he mouthed a racist remark.

amiable · 26-10-2011 02:20PM

RandolphEsq wrote: »

If Terry was a racist he wouldn't have made it so far in the Premiership for so long!

This man got to the top of his Sport

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuDk50rFFgg

The quality of the picture is poor but it shows how society (certain parts) is still in the stoneage

Beefy78 · 26-10-2011 02:31PM

amiable wrote: »

So if that's the case surely that puts a huge question mark over Terry's justification for saying it if Ferdinand never heard it in the first place?

Well there is that but we don't know what else was going on or who said what. There could have been any sort of miscommunication.

I've no love for Chelsea or John Terry but I really doubt he was making any racial comment in that situation in front of TV cameras and surrounded by Chelsea's black players. And if Anton Ferdinand is saying that he was oblivious to the whole thing then I'm not sure what any of this is achieving.

amiable · 26-10-2011 03:05PM

Beefy78 wrote: »

Well there is that but we don't know what else was going on or who said what. There could have been any sort of miscommunication.

I've no love for Chelsea or John Terry but I really doubt he was making any racial comment in that situation in front of TV cameras and surrounded by Chelsea's black players. And if Anton Ferdinand is saying that he was oblivious to the whole thing then I'm not sure what any of this is achieving.

IMO if it's true that Ferdinand didn't hear what Terry said then it probably means Terry is guilty as his defence is he was just repeating what Ferdinand said.

From what i have heard Ferdinand went to the Chelsea dressing room to aplolgize for insulting Terry(reference to the Wayne Bridge thing)
Apparently he didn't go there to sort out any racism allegations.

barone · 26-10-2011 04:22PM

two black lads call each other ***ger or whatever its grand,no charges or anything,no racism card bandied about..its slang even.

but if a white fella is even rumoured to have said it then the **** hits the fan..

let me get it right , blacks can say it to blacks, but whites arent allowed to say it ever... ? racist right?

im not saying black people wernt opressed for years and years im saying that it will only ever be a non issue if they stop making it one!

would a black lad be in trouble for calling me a white bas*tard for some percieved wrong doing on my ancestors behalf? not a chance in hell.

how could any professional footballer ever say it on a football pitch and expect to have a career in the game?

im no terry fan but it just dosent add up

everdead.ie · 26-10-2011 04:35PM

barone wrote: »

two black lads call each other ***ger or whatever its grand,no charges or anything,no racism card bandied about..its slang even.

but if a white fella is even rumoured to have said it then the **** hits the fan..

let me get it right , blacks can say it to blacks, but whites arent allowed to say it ever... ? racist right?

im not saying black people wernt opressed for years and years im saying that it will only ever be a non issue if they stop making it one!

would a black lad be in trouble for calling me a white bas*tard for some percieved wrong doing on my ancestors behalf? not a chance in hell.

how could any professional footballer ever say it on a football pitch and expect to have a career in the game?

im no terry fan but it just dosent add up

There is a huge amount of amount of Black people who hate that word hate when anyone uses it, don't let popular rap music make you think otherwise it's not the case.

Peyton Manning · 26-10-2011 04:40PM

barone wrote: »

two black lads call each other ***ger or whatever its grand,no charges or anything,no racism card bandied about..its slang even.

but if a white fella is even rumoured to have said it then the **** hits the fan..

let me get it right , blacks can say it to blacks, but whites arent allowed to say it ever... ? racist right?

im not saying black people wernt opressed for years and years im saying that it will only ever be a non issue if they stop making it one!

would a black lad be in trouble for calling me a white bas*tard for some percieved wrong doing on my ancestors behalf? not a chance in hell.

how could any professional footballer ever say it on a football pitch and expect to have a career in the game?

im no terry fan but it just dosent add up

That's rap music and ghetto culture. These people also do drugs, shoot people and treat women like objects.

Actually between Adrian Mutu, Ashley Cole and John Terry, Chelsea are the new wave NWA.

Blatter · 26-10-2011 04:52PM

The reason why it originated that SOME blacks call use racist terms within their own community has got to do with a display social power.

Words such as n****** are used by certain blacks as they now own the word and not say Ron Atkinson.

I personally don't agree with them using it, but the context within they are using it is completely different to when a white person says it and it's important to understand that.

Neil3030 · 26-10-2011 05:15PM

#15 wrote: »

I often wonder why some people feel the need to have a whinge at whites not being allowed use the N-word.

The injustice of it all. It's so unfair:rolleyes:

I mean, do people actually want to use it? Or do they genuinely not see the difference between a white person using the word and a black person using the word?

Not that it should be acceptable either way, but it's so blindingly obvious that there is a massive difference in the two scenarios.

I agree, but at the same time the exclusivity of a word's use amongst one group serves to strengthen the divide between communities and races. The message of "this is our word, only we can use it and you can't", implies that there is a tangible distinction between black and non-black. Surely this is not the way society should be heading?

Neil3030 · 26-10-2011 05:27PM

#15 wrote: »

I agree, which is why I said it's not acceptable either way.

However, a white person using the word is more offensive than a black person using the word IMO.

Yeah ideally nobody uses it indeed. But my particular gripe is with black people who seek equality but who still use "the word", thereby furthering inequality.

Though I'd imagine such people are a rarity.

what did john terry say?

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