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Is Sean Gallagher telling lies

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  • #662
    raymon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,771 ✭✭✭raymon


    CDfm wrote: »
    He is not even a politician and is a former member of Fianna Fail.

    More to the point, would Michael Higgins be prepared to put party loyalty to one side if elected and, in the event of a no confidence motion in the government , disolve the Dail or use his discetionary powers to get the party leaders to attempt to form a government -as happened with the Rainbow Coallition.

    I don't think he would.

    If the coallition fell apart over the budget for instance, I feel he would put the Labour Party before the Country and that is where I feel his loyalty lies.

    That is my most important criteria.

    Please stop whataboutery and stick to the op


  • #663
    CDfm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,649 ✭✭✭✭CDfm


    polod wrote: »
    cheers man your to kind :p but id sooner not see him on either because he doesn't deserve to be on dragons den ( Id say he has feck all money left now to go about investing in it other people) or the in the aras. hes only running so he can the 250,000 a year no other reason !!!!

    Why do you think politicians run for office ?

    What are Michael D's motives, ego ???


  • #664
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,204 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    CDfm wrote: »
    He is not even a politician and is a former member of Fianna Fail.

    More to the point, would Michael Higgins be prepared to put party loyalty to one side if elected and, in the event of a no confidence motion in the government , disolve the Dail or use his discetionary powers to get the party leaders to attempt to form a government -as happened with the Rainbow Coallition.

    I don't think he would.

    If the coallition fell apart over the budget for instance, I feel he would put the Labour Party before the Country and that is where I feel his loyalty lies.

    That is my most important criteria.

    CDfm - are you seriously alleging that Higgins would refuse to dissolve the Dail in the event of a motion of no confidence being passed? TBH if you are, you seem to be allowing your antipathy towards Labour to be leading you towards defamation of character...

    I think if you are going to persist with this line of suggesting possible actions you need to provide some substance to your suggestion - what has Higgins done in the past to make you feel he would refuse to honour the obligations of the office?

    BTW - The exact same suggestion could also be made about Mitchell...and every other 'party' candidate who ever held the office...


  • #665
    CDfm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,649 ✭✭✭✭CDfm


    raymon wrote: »
    Please stop whataboutery and stick to the op

    I was answering a specific point another poster as is evident here so maybe you can ask them too.


  • #666
    Monty Burnz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,455 ✭✭✭✭Monty Burnz


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    CDfm - are you seriously alleging that Higgins would refuse to dissolve the Dail in the event of a motion of no confidence being passed? TBH if you are, you seem to be allowing your antipathy towards Labour to be leading you towards defamation of character...
    I don't even have a clue how bias towards the junior coalition partner could manifest itself if the coalition broke down - does anyone have a suggestion?

    Would he refuse to call an election until Labour somehow formed a government with SF, FFailure, the Socialists, and all of the independents? :confused:

    Help me out here, CDfm - what could he do?


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  • #667
    CDfm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,649 ✭✭✭✭CDfm


    Monty Burnz wrote: »
    I don't even have a clue how bias towards the junior coalition partner could manifest itself if the coalition broke down - does anyone have a suggestion?

    Would he refuse to call an election until Labour somehow formed a government with SF, FFailure, the Socialists, and all of the independents? :confused:

    Help me out here, CDfm - what could he do?

    For a start, I do not have an anti-Labour Party bias and have sometimes voted for Labour candidates.

    I don't believe if Labour pulled out of coallition that Higgins would give Fine Gael the opportunity to form a government with others.

    The issue that keeps coming here is that SG is a party man and it just brings me back to that idea that Higgins is a party man too and will put his party first.

    Simple as.


  • #668
    jonniebgood1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,578 ✭✭✭jonniebgood1


    CDfm wrote: »
    Why do you think politicians run for office ?

    What are Michael D's motives, ego ???

    well he has just said in the debate on RTE that he would put up with the reduction in presidential salary.

    What else would he do?


  • #669
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,204 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    CDfm wrote: »
    For a start, I do not have an anti-Labour Party bias and have sometimes voted for Labour candidates.

    I don't believe if Labour pulled out of coallition that Higgins would give Fine Gael the opportunity to form a government with others.

    The issue that keeps coming here is that SG is a party man and it just brings me back to that idea that Higgins is a party man too and will put his party first.

    Simple as.

    The issue as I see it is that SG denies he is a now party man, plays down the extent to which he was a party man, and is vague about when he ceased to be a party man. Higgins has been in the LP since the late 60s, has never denied it for a second.

    You do come across have having an anti-LP bias TBH - you could just have easily used Mitchell as your example but your points of attack tend to focus near exclusively on Higgins...


  • #670
    Alibaba
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 526 ✭✭✭Alibaba


    polod wrote: »
    cheers man your to kind :p but id sooner not see him on either because he doesn't deserve to be on dragons den ( Id say he has feck all money left now to go about investing in it other people) or the in the aras. hes only running so he can the 250,000 a year no other reason !!!!

    Plus THE BIG HOUSE, and all the other perks.. Financial security for the rest of your life... And I believe most of the candidates wouldn't bother with the job but for all that !!


  • #671
    swampgas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,658 ✭✭✭swampgas


    CDfm wrote: »
    For a start, I do not have an anti-Labour Party bias and have sometimes voted for Labour candidates.

    I don't believe if Labour pulled out of coallition that Higgins would give Fine Gael the opportunity to form a government with others.

    The issue that keeps coming here is that SG is a party man and it just brings me back to that idea that Higgins is a party man too and will put his party first.

    Simple as.

    So you're worried that the president might not act impartially? Better pick someone with some integrity then.

    Based on their track records so far, MDH would seem (to me anyway) to have far more integrity than SG.


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  • #672
    jonniebgood1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,578 ✭✭✭jonniebgood1


    Bannasidhe wrote: »

    You do come across have having an anti-LP bias TBH - you could just have easily used Mitchell as your example but your points of attack tend to focus near exclusively on Higgins...

    Sorry for butting in but the election seems to be between Higgins and Gallagher making comparisons with the labour party more relevant.


  • #673
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,204 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    jonniebgood1 wrote: »
    Sorry for butting in but the election seems to be between Higgins and Gallagher making comparisons with the labour party more relevant.

    'Comparison' is not making unsubstantiated allegations against one candidate while dismissing allegations against the other which have demonstrable foundations in evidence...;)

    That is why I asked CDfm what evidential basis he has for alleging Higgins would refuse to dissolve the Dail - the only one supplied - membership of a particular political party could equally be applicable to every presidential candidate who has ever been affiliated to a political party...


  • #674
    doubleglaze
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 405 ✭✭doubleglaze


    Sean Gallagher should be giving courses in how to spoof.

    Professionally speaking, it seems to be what he does best.

    I'd like someone with vision and substance to be the next president. So that's SG out.

    I am annoyed that he put himself forward for this role when he so clearly was unsuited to it.


  • #675
    CDfm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,649 ✭✭✭✭CDfm


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    You do come across have having an anti-LP bias TBH - you could just have easily used Mitchell as your example but your points of attack tend to focus near exclusively on Higgins...

    I am probably a bit anti-politician.

    Mitchell, well I couldnt possibly have a go as his family and a friend of mine's family were friends in the inner city pre Inchicore days.

    For some reason I associate Higgins and associate him with the extreme left & his anti-west politics is something I find a bit extreme and this thread made me think of it.

    Of course, I hope I am not being unfair as I do try to be unbiased , maybe raymon has unleashed a monster :)


  • #676
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,204 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    CDfm wrote: »
    I am probably a bit anti-politician.

    Mitchell, well I couldnt possibly have a go as his family and a friend of mine's family were friends in the inner city pre Inchicore days.

    For some reason I associate Higgins and associate him with the extreme left & his anti-west politics is something I find a bit extreme and this thread made me think of it.

    Of course, I hope I am not being unfair as I do try to be unbiased , maybe raymon has unleashed a monster :)

    Sure if he was 'extreme' left he wouldn't be in the Labour Party...who on a good day manage to be a whole millimetre left of centre. They don't even qualify as Socialist - never mind left-wing...;)


  • #677
    charlemont
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,725 ✭✭✭charlemont


    CDfm wrote: »
    She is a fine woman

    seanTrishGallagher__974528t.jpg

    And well turned out

    gallaghervip22_975031t.jpg

    And she would add a touch a glamour to any state occassion.

    They are ordinary people and why shouldnt an ordinary person be President on behalf of other ordinary people.

    They are more representative of us than Michael Higgins is.

    She is a fine woman you say, Are you for real ?? Glamour !! Her, Come off it, Man. I think she looks like Dana..


  • #678
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,204 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    charlemont wrote: »
    She is a fine woman you say, Are you for real ?? Glamour !! Her, Come off it, Man. I think she looks like Dana..

    I didn't even know she was a candidate....;)


  • #679
    charlemont
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,725 ✭✭✭charlemont


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    I didn't even know she was a candidate....;)

    CDfm seems to think so ..


  • #680
    CDfm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,649 ✭✭✭✭CDfm


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Sure if he was 'extreme' left he wouldn't be in the Labour Party...who on a good day manage to be a whole millimetre left of centre. They don't even qualify as Socialist - never mind left-wing...;)

    He probably is a bit of a fossil. The anti-american thing bugs me as lots of the middle east types he support/s/ed don't like us very much.

    And, you are right about the LP not being socialist. It may be that I associate him and others with the last depression/recession.


  • #681
    Snakeblood
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Snakeblood


    CDfm wrote: »
    He probably is a bit of a fossil. The anti-american thing bugs me as lots of the middle east types he support/s/ed don't like us very much.

    And, you are right about the LP not being socialist. It may be that I associate him and others with the last depression/recession.

    Why would you associate the Labour party with the last depression more than Gallagher, who was a card carrying member of the dominant party in government? That's a bizarre level of mental gymnastics.


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  • #682
    CDfm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,649 ✭✭✭✭CDfm


    charlemont wrote: »
    I think she looks like Dana..

    :eek:
    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    I didn't even know she was a candidate....;)

    Nice frock, nice shoes, that's presidential that is.
    charlemont wrote: »
    CDfm seems to think so ..

    I won't have a word said against Trisha.


  • #683
    CDfm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,649 ✭✭✭✭CDfm


    Snakeblood wrote: »
    Why would you associate the Labour party with the last depression more than Gallagher, who was a card carrying member of the dominant party in government? That's a bizarre level of mental gymnastics.

    Gallagher has not held any position anywhere.

    I have started a thread about how Ireland is governed as it is something I would like to understand.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=75065332&utm_source=notification&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=notify#post75065332


  • #684
    gizmo555
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,878 ✭✭✭gizmo555


    CDfm wrote: »
    He is not even a politician and is a former member of Fianna Fail.

    Of course he's a politician, until very recently he was a member of the Fianna Fáil National Executive.

    There are more ways of being seriously involved in politics than personally running for election - that role probably gave Gallagher significantly greater influence within the main government party than any backbench TD (or at any rate would have until FF's meltdown in the last election.)
    CDfm wrote: »
    Gallagher has not held any position anywhere.

    See above.


  • #685
    doubleglaze
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 405 ✭✭doubleglaze


    charlemont wrote: »
    She is a fine woman you say, Are you for real ?? Glamour !! Her, Come off it, Man. I think she looks like Dana..

    While, undoubtedly, she is a beautiful woman, admirably turned out and would certainly do us very proud on the looks front while on foreign visits, the question is is she be able to have an intelligent conversation with foreign politicians and statespeople?

    Is she in the same league as the intelligent Martin McAleese, the wife of Cearbhall Ó Dálaigh, Nick Robinson, etc? Other than being a beauty who seems to be a very nice person to boot, has she anything much to talk about other than cosmetics and suchlike?

    I do think that discussion of her suitability for the job of first consort should be on the agenda, as the taxpayer would be paying for her foreign trips if Sean got in and she would therefore be representing Ireland abroad.


  • #686
    CDfm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,649 ✭✭✭✭CDfm


    gizmo555 wrote: »
    Of course he's a politician, until very recently he was a member of the Fianna Fáil National Executive.

    .

    Elected public office before or appointed to any position of respomsibility .

    He was a party activist ffs.

    Deirdre Purcell was a fellow member of the Board of the Central Bank along with ICTU's David Begg , the independent board responsible for bank regulation and someone with real power and responsibility.

    http://www.independent.ie/business/where-are-they-now-deirdre-purcell-2507384.html

    So its twaddle that he bears any responsibility for anything.


  • #687
    Ellis Dee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,510 ✭✭✭Ellis Dee


    CDfm wrote: »
    She is a fine woman

    seanTrishGallagher__974528t.jpg

    And well turned out

    gallaghervip22_975031t.jpg

    And she would add a touch a glamour to any state occassion.

    They are ordinary people and why shouldnt an ordinary person be President on behalf of other ordinary people.

    They are more representative of us than Michael Higgins is.


    Undeniably a good-looking woman. But most women are attractive as long as they're fairly young.:rolleyes:

    As for well turned-out and all that, give me a fraction of the money she can afford to spend on clothes, beauty care and the likes (given that her husband received hundreds of thousands from a business that left a good few small investors sucking air and smarting from substantial losses: http://www.independent.ie/national-news/gallagher-shared-in-payout-of-euro860000-2913915.html :o) and I'll transform the most dilapidated-looking bag lady into a gal that will turn more than a few heads.


  • #688
    polod
    Closed Accounts Posts: 367 ✭✭polod


    CDfm wrote: »
    Why do you think politicians run for office ?

    What are Michael D's motives, ego ???

    Sean Gallagher is not a politician as he so said himself ....SG has nothing now....and he is using his image from being on the dragons den as being a 'great business' man to 'fool' people into voting for him he'l bring jobs etc. The money + handy time is all that is on his mind !!!!

    Michael D is different, he is a genuine person who prob deserves it he's not in it for the money ....prob his ego alright :D


  • #689
    CDfm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,649 ✭✭✭✭CDfm


    polod wrote: »

    Michael D is different, he is a genuine person who prob deserves it he's not in it for the money ....

    Really, says who, I have met the guy canvassing and he was suitably evasive about anything I asked.

    He is just a politician.


  • #690
    CDfm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,649 ✭✭✭✭CDfm


    Ellis Dee wrote: »
    Undeniably a good-looking woman. But most women are attractive as long as they're fairly young.:rolleyes:
    ............and I'll transform the most dilapidated-looking bag lady into a gal that will turn more than a few heads.

    Ahem less of the Trisha bashing , its unpatriotic.

    d62e7be0-db14-459a-_974669t.jpg

    You can bring Trisha anywhere


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  • #691
    jonniebgood1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,578 ✭✭✭jonniebgood1


    polod wrote: »

    Michael D is different, he is a genuine person who prob deserves it he's not in it for the money ....prob his ego alright :D

    How many pensions does a person need before they are'nt in something for the money. Higgins does seem genuine but he is part of the problem of an overpaid establishment. This job is ridiculously highly paid and none of the candidates deserve such renumeration.


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