thejournal.ie: Thieves or Journalists?

The Left Hand Of God · 22-10-2011 01:25AM

FoxT wrote: »

Thejournal.ie is a news aggregator. They produce little original content. Nevertheless , I personally prefer their twitter feed to the RTE news RSS.

Be careful about commenting, though. They demand your twitter/facebook ID and password. In addition, I have noticed that if you try to comment via android you get the following notice:

This application will be able to:

- read tweets from your timeline
- see who you follow, and follow new people
- Update your profile
- Post tweets for you

Loooovely!

I havent commented on anything there, since I saw this one... I have emailed them about this & await developments with interest...

I noticed that too the other day.

I was about to use a throw away twitter account I had to comment (my first) but forgot I was already logged in under my normal one...so my comment got posted on my normal account, which I didn't want under the points you listed

This btw >>> "Thejournal.ie is a news aggregator."

I prefer BI.

TheZohanS · 22-10-2011 01:31AM

I think the Journal is great. They give readers the opportunity to comment on stories that mainstream media wouldnt dare. Lads it's an extension of boards and it works really well, it's. not moderated as severely as 'mainstream' sites and that's a major plus.

Guy:Incognito · 22-10-2011 01:56AM

It's the way of the world . A central news agency writes a story and releases it. All the papers/websites etc get it and use it. If every paper/website/tv/radio station etc etc sent a reporter to every area of news, not only would each of them need hundreds of reporters but thered be more reporters on the ground in a warzone than soldiers.

epgc3fyqirnbsx · 22-10-2011 02:01AM

When the journal first started up I sent them an email complaining that I couldn't comment at work as I had no fb or twitter access from there. Now, looking at breakingnews.ie and a lot of boards.ie, it's a much better model.
Yes you can create a profile to comment that isn't linked to 'you' but the reactionary daily mail types are at least less likely to bother

I enjoy the siite
But pity the journo who makes a mistake... Wow, often a valid correction but there;s a hell of a lot of pedantic bastards out there

BTW, I'd be great for a job there

policarp · 22-10-2011 02:02AM

Plagiarism. . .
Theft. . .

FoxT · 22-10-2011 02:11AM

Eoin wrote: »

Unless something has changed since last year, Distilled Media have a majority share in boards.ie.

OK, that is interesting... so why cant you log in with your boardsie handle?

Or, why do you have to log in at all? I have the sense that there is something smelly going on....

FoxT · 22-10-2011 02:15AM

policarp wrote: »

Plagiarism. . .
Theft. . .

I don't agree with that, tbh. The internet is full of all sorts of wackiness, content aggregators do perform a useful function.
My issue with Thejournal is they portray themselves as hip/cool/cuttingedge/independent - but their comment policy is Stalinist...

red menace · 22-10-2011 02:20AM

policarp wrote: »

Plagiarism. . .
Theft. . .

Is it really?
They do credit the source always

epgc3fyqirnbsx · 22-10-2011 02:41AM

policarp wrote: »

Plagiarism. . .
Theft. . .

In response to the two posts ahead of mine, what I think what the poster may be saying is that a lot of people aren't recognising the difference

You can reference stories until the cows come home and that is perfectly acceptable, and even the norm, as long as you mention your source
It's when you don't do this that plagiarism occours

I've never seen anyone pass work over as their own on the journal, for that reason I've never seen plagiarisim
Maybe some aren't getting the point of the site?
It exists so you can get to one plce, or your app can, and can see the highlights of the days news and sources are always linked. And you can comment if you're brave enough to have a reputable account to do so.
It's a good sote imo

policarp · 22-10-2011 02:49AM

FoxT wrote: »

I don't agree with that, tbh. The internet is full of all sorts of wackiness, content aggregators do perform a useful function.
My issue with Thejournal is they portray themselves as hip/cool/cuttingedge/independent - but their comment policy is Stalinist...

red menace wrote: »

Is it really?
They do credit the source always

Heavenly Uninterested Mustache wrote: »

In response to the two posts ahead of mine, what I think what the poster may be saying is that a lot of people aren't recognising the difference

You can reference stories until the cows come home and that is perfectly acceptable, and even the norm, as long as you mention your source
It's when you don't do this that plagiarism occours

I've never seen anyone pass work over as their own on the journal, for that reason I've never seen plagiarisim
Maybe some aren't getting the point of the site?
It exists so you can get to one plce, or your app can, and can see the highlights of the days news and sources are always linked. And you can comment if you're brave enough to have a reputable account to do so.
It's a good sote imo

If anybody uses somebody elses idea, it's copying. . .

epgc3fyqirnbsx · 22-10-2011 02:58AM

policarp wrote: »

If anybody uses somebody elses idea, it's copying. . .

That is true.

BUT, and entire thesis (sorry I can't be arsed to know the plural) and ever college paper I ever wrote was quoting large chunks from articles/essays written by others and this is, well this is progress, present an idea and draw on it and yadda yadda yadda

As long as you reference there is no 'stealing' unless you refernce a book or somefink like that

I have written may articles that have been printed in journals literally acorss the globe, and used in FYP's and thesis and indeed presidential speeches but as long as they were referenced it hasn't upset me*

*This paragraph is complete bollox

RichieC · 22-10-2011 03:02AM

news aggregation sites don't normally write their own stories.

ascanbe · 22-10-2011 03:18AM

Dionysus wrote: »

A few years back a very wealthy Irish-American named Chuck Feeney funded an organisation in Dublin, the Centre for Public Inquiry. The Centre was established to investigate things of public interest. Very shortly, the rightwing Minister for Justice, Michael McDowell, leaked a story to that awful Tony O'Reilly rag, the Sunday Independent, which aimed to discredit the principal investigative journalist in the Centre for Public Inquiry.

Chuck Feeney withdrew his money and the Centre for Public Inquiry closed down. The Irish establishment could sleep that bit easier. We need such an organisation more than ever now. It could play an enormous role in this society in exposing the corruption, nepotism and cronyism which underlines deals across this state, and undermines our democracy in the process.

As many of you know, from the early 1980s, Chuck Feeney secretly donated over $1 billion to Irish society, particularly to our education system. There is not a single university, street or anything else named after him - at his own request. He was obsessive about privacy. The guy wears a $10 wristwatch, and runners. He has Ireland's interests at heart. Contrast this with the ego of Tony O'Reilly and the rest of the "Irish" people who make a point of being tax exiles from this state, while demanding that university buildings bear their surnames. It's quite disgusting how the home-grown Irish mafia gang up on an outsider who is willing to finance an investigation into various forms of corruption in the Irish establishment.

We urgently need a well-funded independent Centre for Public Inquiry to keep an eye on the establishment in Ireland, and investigate their wrongdoings. This old boys' club has to be smashed, despite the objections of far-right ideologues like Michael McDowell and Tony O'Reilly's "Independent" newspapers' group.

Saw an ad on TV this evening for tomorrow's Sunday Independent: O'Reilly's rag.
Apparently the big 'story' is about how Brian Lenihan Jr. was such an incredible 'patriot'; like people needed to be reminded of this 'fact' after the love-in conducted by certain sections of the media, them included obviously, after his death.
So the guy who made the fateful decision, for whatever reason/as a result of whatever coercion, that has doomed this country is, infact, one of this country's greatest 'patriots', apparently.
Of course it just so happens that the decision he made was the one Tony O'Reilly, et al, wanted him to make as they thought it was in their best interest.
Even now, when the true implications of this betrayal are beginning to unfold, they still hang on to the hope that it was, indeed, right for them, even though it's beginning to dawn on even them that isn't the case, that the country is sinking as a result of it, and that they're despicable c*nts.
Tomorrow's piece on Lenihan is, i can only presume, a piece of 'doth protest too much' wishful thinking.

policarp · 22-10-2011 03:20AM

Heavenly Uninterested Mustache wrote: »

*This paragraph is complete bollox

Yeats?

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