Cross country running

Woddle · 20-09-2011 04:36PM

shels4ever wrote: »

Think that was more then made up for since then.

Maybe by you

brutes1 · 20-09-2011 08:13PM

This thread might be worth a sticky i reckon so we can get dates and results of races over the muck..! Cross country dates west of the shannon at any rate have been one of the great mysteries of our time, heard about weeks after the event.:D..

However, firm Dates and venues for Galway and Connaught cross country expected in the next few days , but will be weekends in early October and early November respectively , will post when confirmed .

These races are well worth running for anyone who has only ran road, great for strength training and those who are marathon training will be well ready for it, Over the longer distances
10k/12k, road form can go out the window and cross country can be a great leveller..

This was the national inters in feb, had to be ran to be believed ,unbelievable conditions , will give ya a flavour of it;)

http://www.youtube.com/user/sportsworldterenure?blend=14&ob=5#p/u/15/3QnHD0tM2_A

ecoli · 20-09-2011 08:25PM

brutes1 wrote: »

This thread might be worth a sticky i reckon so we can get dates and results of races over the muck..! Cross country dates west of the shannon at any rate have been one of the great mysteries of our time, heard about weeks after the event.:D..

However, firm Dates and venues for Galway and Connaught cross country expected in the next few days , but will be weekends in early October and early November respectively , will post when confirmed .

There is a sticky in the Events sub forum for up coming events. but is a good idea to include a few more XC races on that alright. Its great for building strength however for anyone training for the Marathon not great prep as the nature of XC is to break your rhythm which is the complete opposite to road racing which is all about rhythm though it is not to say you cant get benefits in the long run from it just not if you are targeting DCM imo

Seres · 20-09-2011 09:13PM

brutes1 wrote: »

This thread might be worth a sticky i reckon so we can get dates and results of races over the muck..! Cross country dates west of the shannon at any rate have been one of the great mysteries of our time, heard about weeks after the event.:D..

However, firm Dates and venues for Galway and Connaught cross country expected in the next few days , but will be weekends in early October and early November respectively , will post when confirmed .

These races are well worth running for anyone who has only ran road, great for strength training and those who are marathon training will be well ready for it, Over the longer distances
10k/12k, road form can go out the window and cross country can be a great leveller..

This was the national inters in feb, had to be ran to be believed ,unbelievable conditions , will give ya a flavour of it;)

http://www.youtube.com/user/sportsworldterenure?blend=14&ob=5#p/u/15/3QnHD0tM2_A

Found some dates on the sligo ac blog will post l8r

nerraw1111 · 20-09-2011 09:17PM

Krusty - were the conditions particularly bad during that race?

Was thinking of giving a few cross country races a go this winter but was going to use innov8 mudclaws. Can't really justify another pair of running shoes!

runrabbit · 20-09-2011 09:32PM

Krusty_Clown wrote: »

Anyone suggest a decent place (Dublin) to try on and buy xc spikes? I'd go to Amphibian King, however they only list one type on their site.

Krusty I was in AK a few weeks ago and they already had a few different models with more arriving in at the time. It's worth popping out and trying a few pairs on.

Krusty_Clown · 20-09-2011 09:52PM

nerraw1111 wrote: »

Krusty - were the conditions particularly bad during that race?

Was thinking of giving a few cross country races a go this winter but was going to use innov8 mudclaws. Can't really justify another pair of running shoes!

Yes, it was really lousy. Place was flooded. The mud-claws will definitely be far superior to running shoes (and even most trail shoes) for the xc, but I reckon (having never worn them) not as good as spikes.

Raighne · 21-09-2011 09:26AM

Krusty_Clown wrote: »

Yes, it was really lousy. Place was flooded. The mud-claws will definitely be far superior to running shoes (and even most trail shoes) for the xc, but I reckon (having never worn them) not as good as spikes.

It's usually worthwhile bringing both spikes and Mudclaw/BareGrip type Inov-8 shoes. Even 15mm spikes have their limitations as the standard cross-country spike only has spikes on the front (the heel is narrow, flat and not very grippy).

On extremely muddy courses or courses overlain with layers of wet leaves the Mudclaws may actually give you more traction than even 15mm spikes (especially as the latter will "collect" leaves on the way, in the Dublin Seniors 2009, I carried about one and a half inch of leaves under my spikes by the end, and the 15mm spikes provided barely any traction).

For those interested in barefoot "old school" cross-country, it's quite pleasant but extremely slippy on any type of wet grass or mud, so I wouldn't personally recommend it unless you're on a dry course.

JosDel · 21-09-2011 10:36AM

shels4ever wrote: »

Yep your right there,
Just thinking and the pair I found had most support were the saucony kilkenny(bit of a funny name). Have only had them on a few times.

http://www.trizone.ie/index.php/running/running-spikes/saucony-kilkenny-xc3.html

1+ for the saucony kilkenny

Krusty_Clown · 21-09-2011 10:45AM

Raighne wrote: »

It's usually worthwhile bringing both spikes and Mudclaw/BareGrip type Inov-8 shoes. Even 15mm spikes have their limitations as the standard cross-country spike only has spikes on the front (the heel is narrow, flat and not very grippy).

I reckon I'll pick up a pair, as I'd hope to run some xc over the next few years. I understand that running with spikes on a track is something you should avoid doing too often, as it stresses different parts of the feet/legs (forefoot running?). Is it the same with xc spikes on grass/xc terrain? Specifically, should I hold off until after goal marathon in 2.5 weeks time?!

BeepBeep67 · 21-09-2011 11:09AM

Krusty_Clown wrote: »

I reckon I'll pick up a pair, as I'd hope to run some xc over the next few years. I understand that running with spikes on a track is something you should avoid doing too often, as it stresses different parts of the feet/legs (forefoot running?). Is it the same with xc spikes on grass/xc terrain? Specifically, should I hold off until after goal marathon in 2.5 weeks time?!

I always use spikes for XC unless I'm just using it as a training run where I'd wear trail shoes. In advance of the XC's coming up I'll do a few 30mins jogs in spikes just to get used to the feel again. You are typically on softish ground and not running more than 10k so not a huge risk, but I would't put your marathon in jeopardy.

Raighne · 21-09-2011 06:01PM

Krusty_Clown wrote: »

I reckon I'll pick up a pair, as I'd hope to run some xc over the next few years. I understand that running with spikes on a track is something you should avoid doing too often, as it stresses different parts of the feet/legs (forefoot running?). Is it the same with xc spikes on grass/xc terrain? Specifically, should I hold off until after goal marathon in 2.5 weeks time?!

Yes, spikes create much the same adaptation issues as when moving to a very minimalist shoe (because essentially that's what a spike is). The shape of the shoe and the traction from the spikes can also create some extra stress irritation in metatarsals and plantar fascias, so definitely test them a few times and see how your feet react. Some spikes are more aggressive in the way they force you up on your forefoot than others.

Most tracks don't allow spikes with spikes in during training. On track you'd usually use the 2mm spikes, but these are largely useles on other terrain.

brutes1 · 21-09-2011 08:14PM

Re spikes I would always go with the 12mms at least , 15s if its a quagmire. Ended up running the inters in feb this year barefoot, lost both shoes and about a minute in the process , it was no problem running it cos it was just mud .

btw Looks like the Connacht novices/masters will be 15 Oct in Galway ( Dangan) and the Senior/inters in Sligo ( 6th Nov ), along with juveniles on same day in both cases - hopefully beforehand ! - final confirmation shortly

Seres · 21-09-2011 09:27PM

brutes1 wrote: »

Re spikes I would always go with the 12mms at least , 15s if its a quagmire. Ended up running the inters in feb this year barefoot, lost both shoes and about a minute in the process , it was no problem running it cos it was just mud .

btw Looks like the Connacht novices/masters will be 15 Oct in Galway ( Dangan) and the Senior/inters in Sligo ( 6th Nov ), along with juveniles on same day in both cases - hopefully beforehand ! - final confirmation shortly

fantastic , be there be square !

dna_leri · 22-09-2011 09:15AM

brutes1 wrote: »

btw Looks like the Connacht novices/masters will be 15 Oct in Galway ( Dangan) and the Senior/inters in Sligo ( 6th Nov ), along with juveniles on same day in both cases - hopefully beforehand ! - final confirmation shortly

Don't think novices/masters will be 15 Oct in Galway, that's the primary schools event. Will be either Nov 6 or 13, usually novices/masters is with even ages cc.

15th Oct Connaught Primary Schools Galway 12noon
6th Nov Connaught Even Ages CC Sligo Racecourse 1pm
13th Nov Connaught Uneven Ages CC Ballinamore 1pm

BeepBeep67 · 22-09-2011 09:48AM

Here are the XC dates that I've received so far:

Sunday - 23rd October 2011- Gerry Farnan Cross Country / Masters Trials - Phoenix Park, Dublin.

Sunday - 30th October 2011- Day 1 Athletics Leinster Cross Country Championships - Novice, Masters & Even Ages - Belvedere House, Mullingar - 12noon.

Sunday - 13th November 2011- Day 2 Athletics Leinster Cross Country Championships - Intermediate & Uneven Ages - Adamstown, Wexford - 12noon.

Sunday - 27th November 2011- Day 1 AAI Cross Country Championships - Sligo.

Sunday - 11th December 2011- Day 2 AAI Cross Country Championships - The Curragh, Co. Kildare.

Saturday - 7th January 2012- Athletics Leinster Star Awards - Seven Oaks Hotel, Carlow – 7.30pm.

Sunday – 8th January 2012– Day 3 Athletics Leinster Cross Country Championships – Junior & Senior, along with Juvenile Relays – St Senan’s, Co. Kilkenny – 12noon.

RayCun · 22-09-2011 09:53AM

If someone can pull together a list of other XC races over the winter, I'll add a new section to the 2011 events thread.

(I should really do some work today, for a change)

Woddle · 22-09-2011 10:14AM

Here are the XC dates that I've received so far:

Sunday - 2nd October 2011 - Dublin novice xc - Phoenix park - 3k/6k - 1:00/1:30

Saturday - 8th October 2011 - Bhaa teachers xc - Castleknock - 2m/4m - 11:00

Sunday - 23rd October 2011- Gerry Farnan Cross Country / Masters Trials - Phoenix Park, Dublin.

Sunday - 30th October 2011- Day 1 Athletics Leinster Cross Country Championships - Novice, Masters & Even Ages - Belvedere House, Mullingar - 12noon.

Sunday - 13th November 2011- Day 2 Athletics Leinster Cross Country Championships - Intermediate & Uneven Ages - Adamstown, Wexford - 12noon.

Saturday - 26th November 2011 - Bhaa Nsrt/smart - The ward - 4k/6k - 11:00/11:30

Sunday - 27th November 2011- Day 1 AAI Cross Country Championships - Sligo.

Sunday - 11th December 2011- Day 2 AAI Cross Country Championships - The Curragh, Co. Kildare.

Saturday - 7th January 2012- Athletics Leinster Star Awards - Seven Oaks Hotel, Carlow – 7.30pm.

Sunday – 8th January 2012– Day 3 Athletics Leinster Cross Country Championships – Junior & Senior, along with Juvenile Relays – St Senan’s, Co. Kilkenny – 12noon

BeepBeep67 · 22-09-2011 10:27AM

Here are the XC dates that I've received so far:

Sunday - 2nd October 2011 - Dublin novice xc - Phoenix park - 3k/6k - 1:00/1:30

Sunday - 2nd October 2011 - Wicklow novice xc - Rathdrum - 3k/6k - starting @ 11am with the juv races

Saturday - 8th October 2011 - Bhaa teachers xc - Castleknock - 2m/4m - 11:00

Sunday - 16th October 2011 - Wicklow intermediate xc - Roundwood - 4k/8k - starting @ 11am with the juv races

Sunday - 23rd October 2011- Gerry Farnan Cross Country / Masters Trials - Phoenix Park, Dublin.

Sunday - 30th October 2011- Day 1 Athletics Leinster Cross Country Championships - Novice, Masters & Even Ages - Belvedere House, Mullingar - 12noon.

Sunday - 13th November 2011- Day 2 Athletics Leinster Cross Country Championships - Intermediate & Uneven Ages - Adamstown, Wexford - 12noon.

Saturday - 26th November 2011 - Bhaa Nsrt/smart - The ward - 4k/6k - 11:00/11:30

Sunday - 27th November 2011- Day 1 AAI Cross Country Championships - Sligo.

Sunday - 11th December 2011- Day 2 AAI Cross Country Championships - The Curragh, Co. Kildare.

Saturday - 7th January 2012- Athletics Leinster Star Awards - Seven Oaks Hotel, Carlow – 7.30pm.

Sunday – 8th January 2012– Day 3 Athletics Leinster Cross Country Championships – Junior & Senior, along with Juvenile Relays – St Senan’s, Co. Kilkenny – 12noon

Seres · 22-09-2011 11:40AM

Do i need to take part in the provincial races re Novice & intermediate to compete at national level ?
Can i take part in novice provincial if i medalled before at this level ?

meathcountysec · 22-09-2011 11:42AM

Most XC events are club athlete confined events, however one of the few open fixtures is on this Sunday from 11am near Stamullen, Co. Meath - Star of the Sea AC Open XC. Juvenile races from 11am and Junior/Senior/Masters Ladies at 12.45pm withe the men's event following.

meathcountysec · 22-09-2011 11:47AM

Seres wrote: »

Do i need to take part in the provincial races re Novice & intermediate to compete at national level ?
Can i take part in novice provincial if i medalled before at this level ?

This document has definitions as to who is a novice etc for national comp. Provinces/counties may have their own local varieties. You would need to check with appropriate competition secretary.

http://www.athleticsireland.ie/content/wp-content/uploads/2006/05/application-for-re-grading.pdf

Adult athletes do not have to qualify from provincial to compete at national level.

brutes1 · 22-09-2011 01:22PM

New AAI rule book has cross country section in it - applies more to national races.

http://www.athleticsireland.ie/content/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/competition_rule_book_aug_20111.pdf

seres
Do i need to take part in the provincial races re Novice & intermediate to compete at national level ? No
Can i take part in novice provincial if i medalled before at this level ? The Connacht novice/masters will also be open event this year ( ie you can run) but, I dont think you can compete/medal at novice if you have done so at novice level already,but you may be able to get regraded if its in the dim and distant past...

brutes1 · 02-10-2011 02:19PM

Thanks to Mayo ac, Connacht fixtures are up .

http://www.mayoac.com/?p=2326

Galway 15 Oct ie Sat week - Novice and Masters - ie Dangan NUI grounds
Sligo Racecourse 6 Nov, Senior/Inter

Also note the National Masters and Intermediates is down for Boyle again next Feb..

littlemsfickle · 02-10-2011 10:00PM

Wow thanks for all the replies! Got myself a set of Saucony Kilkenny xc4's and raced in the Meath novice cross country champs...and won! Thanks again for the help:)

Seres · 10-10-2011 02:20PM

Sunday - 23rd October 2011- Gerry Farnan Cross Country / Masters Trials - Phoenix Park, Dublin.

Can anyone take part ? what are the distances ? what time do they start ? can only see that you pick up number from 10.30 , will be coming up from the country so want to leave it as late as possible to go up

brutes1 · 10-10-2011 02:34PM

http://www.athenryac.com/gerry-farnan-cross-country-festival

old link !!

last year

http://www.athleticsireland.ie/content/?p=15799

very little up on msb , maybe drop the lady mentioned on the entry form an email

men 5mile women 3 mile

all i know is its a seriously competitive race good crack

Seres · 10-10-2011 04:17PM

brutes1 wrote: »

http://www.athenryac.com/gerry-farnan-cross-country-festival

old link !!

last year

http://www.athleticsireland.ie/content/?p=15799

very little up on msb , maybe drop the lady mentioned on the entry form an email

men 5mile women 3 mile

all i know is its a seriously competitive race good crack

In ways it would suit me better to do that race than the intermediates , i assume there is no contest competition wise between the connacht intermediate xc and the gerry farnan ?

brutes1 · 10-10-2011 04:26PM

http://www.athleticsireland.ie/content/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/women-results-aviva-gerry-farnan-cross-country-2010.pdf

Last yr results

No contest , this is as good as a national.

Thing is you might win the connacht !

Krusty_Clown · 20-10-2011 04:58PM

Hi Folks, have my spikes now, and have done a few runs with them to get used to 'em and they fit like a glove (but look bloody awful. Still trying to muddy them up!).

They came with 6mm spikes. Where would one pickup 12mm spikes, or are they really necessary? What kind of conditions would you use various spike lengths for? Also, if you fit a shorter spike, could you use them on a track, or are XC shoes specific to XC-like terrain?

Cross country running

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