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Kevin Myers admits he was wrong - shock, horror!(well on one article)

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  • #32
    dr.bollocko
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 35,948 Mod ✭✭✭✭dr.bollocko


    I don't agree with everything he says but then that's why he's such a divisive figure. He holds strong opinions but his style of writing is excellent.
    However I got distracted by a link in the sidebar
    "Sean Gallagher's secret past revealed - he was an aerobics instructor"
    Feels like I'm wearing nothing at all. Stupid sexy Gallager.


  • #33
    discus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,049 ✭✭✭discus


    stovelid wrote: »
    Don't really mind him. He's a superb writer. I also like the fact he's a prominent Irish journalist that put the boot into the Provos all the time, and did so from a position of actually knowing what he was talking about (having spent years covering the troubles in NI and knowing many of the people in Loyalism and Republicanism) unlike many others.

    That said, as a pinko/liberal type, I don't hold with an awful lot of what he says but I actually find him more interesting to read than somebody like Vincent Browne or Fintan O'Toole even though therir views are far more congruent with mine which proves that his liberal-baiting will always have a home somewhere.

    Absolutely Stovelid. He was actually a go between between various loyalist and nationalist paramiltary groups. There's a good story out there about one such meeting of two guys from opposite sides, in a hotel bar. Both of them got totally wasted, eventually falling asleep on each other... two guys who would have killed the other if they had have walked into each other on the street!


  • #34
    stovelid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,252 ✭✭✭✭stovelid


    The problem here is that many of the people on thread that are (rightly in this instance in fairness) criticizing his sloppiness in regard to that column are republicans using it to discredit anything he has ever said about the North rather than any concern for journalistic integrity. As if being anti-Republican/IRA is a form of unspeakable heresy rather than his democratic opinion.

    Ironically the same people that will soon try and elect somebody to one of the highest political offices in the land who has no doubt willfully misled the media and various investigations and tribunals for well over quarter of a century.


  • #35
    Morlar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,273 ✭✭✭Morlar


    stovelid wrote: »
    The problem here is that many of the people on thread that are (rightly in this instance in fairness) criticizing his sloppiness in regard to that column are republicans using it to discredit anything he has ever said about the North rather than any concern for journalistic integrity. As if being anti-Republican/IRA is a form of unspeakable heresy rather than his democratic opinion.

    Ironically the same people that will soon try and elect somebody to one of the highest political offices in the land who has no doubt willfully misled the media and various investigations and tribunals for well over quarter of a century.

    Wow that is some twist.

    Meyers writes a clearly incorrect anti-republican article (one of a great many anti-republican articles he has written about ALL republicans of the 1916 era to today) and you turn it into that bias on his part into an anti-mcguinness jibe ?? ?

    Neato.


  • #36
    stovelid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,252 ✭✭✭✭stovelid


    Morlar wrote: »
    Wow that is some twist.

    Meyers writes a clearly incorrect anti-republican article (one of a great many anti-republican articles he has written about ALL republicans of the 1916 era to today) and you turn it into that bias on his part into an anti-mcguinness jibe ?? ?

    Neato.

    He deserves to be criticized for sloppy research in a column, even if a column is an opinion piece, not a scientific article.

    I still concur with his general views on the IRA and SF: my dislike of them (and much of his criticism that I have read down the years) is based on readily quantifiable events on public record unless you are saying he also invented the IRA participation in the Troubles on his lunch break to piss off Republicans?

    Turn the tables for a minute: imagine a pro-Republican columnist was forced to recant a sloppily researched column about Bloody Sunday. Would you then discount and disagree with everything they have ever said about British Army atrocities in the North?

    Or indeed if Myers had been caught sloppily researching a column on Loyalism (which he has excoriated regularly down the years), you would still say that his views and opinions on Loyalism were compromised?

    I do readily concur with criticism of Myers (I find some of his article abhorrent), especially in this case but he has provided decent commentary on the North down the years - in columns and books - and not all of it has critical of republicans.


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  • #37
    Nodin
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    stovelid wrote: »
    The problem here is that many of the people on thread that are (rightly in this instance in fairness) criticizing his sloppiness in regard to that column are republicans using it to discredit anything he has ever said about the North rather than any concern for journalistic integrity.................


    No, if we wanted to do that we'd dig up the article where he accussed one of Adams bodyguards of being involved in a double murder that was actually carried out by loyalists.

    Personally my problem with Myers isn't primarily his mindless contrary attitude, his hypocritical attitude to violence, pro-imperialism or borderline (if not outright) racism, it's his fast and loose attitude towards the facts.


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