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Why is owning an Alfa Romeo more that just owning a car?
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RoverJames wrote: »They'll do 90k without a belt change though
Ever see a V6 Alfa belt change being done, to compare like with like, comparing a KV6 belt change to a 4 cylinder Alfa belt change is retarded. Also you'll get the KV6 sorted for grand, should be done every 90k or 6 years, the 4 cylinder Alfa is 36k miles or 3 years at €400/500. Cost wise it's much of a muchness. You can run a KV6 to 150k with a very decent chance of no belt failure occuring, try that in a Alfa.
Interesting how both of ye are blowing on about Rovers as I mentioned a few weaknessed about Alfas :rolleyes:
I didn't run down Rovers, I just said it was a miserable looking job and that some poor sod had to spend 2 days on that car. If I wanted to run them down I'd mention hydragas, the metro and k-series hg failures. Then again every manufacturer has their problems with certain things (rotten Alfas and plastic water pump impellors for example)
As for a belt on a Busso V6? I'll be doing one soon I don't like the idea of 150k miles on the same belt, thats lunacy to me 0 -
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RoverJames wrote: »^^^
If you actually read my ppost properly you'll see one of the issues I mentioned was that in many cases the belts didn't even last 36k miles due to the plastic tensioner. There is the balance belt too on the V6, it's a crappily designed timing train. If a belt is prone to failing at 36k miles that's a sh1t design, many Alfa heads won't run there car over 25k miles as they don't want to risk that. In fairness most actual Alfa enthusiasts would have some mechanical know how and can accept that the valve timing train is quite poor design wise and also exaserbated by plastic tensioners. You mention 3 to 4 years for a belt change, it's 36k or 3 years, Alfa initially had them down for 76k miles but pulled that back due to the number that were failing.
No doubt handling is one of the best things about it, it's still not class leading, they're a fair bit off a mark3 Mondeo which is in their class. I don't need to own one to know that and to voice my opinion on here. A 145 has never been mentioned as one of the best handling fwd cars, not even mentioned.
You asked why more people don't own them, I offered a response, you then go on about €500 / every 3 years for a belt change being fine (which wasn't my point) and suggest I own one before slagging them off.
You also throw in a comment about never hearing any good stories about reliability of Rovers, considering you have gleamed your motoring knowledge from HonestJohn I'm not surprised. Applying your logic own one before offering your opinion on them
Don't ask a question unless you want answers.
Yes the belt is 36k OR 3 years. Last time the belt was done on mine I think it was 2005 2006?Car bought in 2002 with 37k on clock and belt done. Will be doing it again over the next few months so for me €500 over the last 5-6 years isn't bad at all seeing as nothing else has really ever gone wrong with it.
I also never said it was a good design either just repair it on time and there shouldn't be any issues. If all I have to do is pay roughly 500 quid every 4 years whenever I do 36k to do the belt, other then fuel,servicing and tyres that's not costing very much in maintenance is it?
However to know what makes Alfa's special it really helps to own one or be driving one on a regular basis not just having driven one a few times a couple of years ago.
It's true I have never heard any good stories about reliable Rovers, so what don't get so defensive about it like.
''considering you have gleamed your motoring knowledge from HonestJohn I'm not surprised.''
What?:rolleyes:
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.................... If all I have to do is pay roughly 500 quid every 4 years whenever I do 36k to do the belt, other then fuel,servicing and tyres that's not costing very much in maintenance is it?.............
I'm going to repeat this once more my point was they often do not get to the 36k interval without the belt/tensioner failing. Hence why people won't driver them. To know that Rovers can be perfectly reliable to helps if you actaully have owned one.Eh, no it wasn't.
Please don't drag this thread into another Alfa's are unreliable nonsense thread - if you don't get them, can you not just leave it ?
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RoverJames wrote: »
Report my posts if you don't like them
No - I think leaving the evidence of the drivel you come out with will help more people learn to ignore you, carry on.0 -
No - I think leaving the evidence of the drivel you come out with will help more people learn to ignore you, carry on.
I suppose you reckon Alfas don't snap belts either.
Give one example of the drivel?
Trying to sell a rare and exclusive car (320d tourer) for more than what it was worth and going off deleting the add when folks mentioned it was overpriced, for example Now that was drivel. 0 -
RoverJames wrote: »I'm going to repeat this once more my point was they often do not get to the 36k interval without the belt/tensioner failing. Hence why people won't driver them. To know that Rovers can be perfectly reliable to helps if you actaully have owned one.
Same for Fiats and Alfas but you don't hear too many with the balls to stand up and admit that they can deliver faultless service with basic maintenance 0 -
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RoverJames wrote: »I'm going to repeat this once more my point was they often do not get to the 36k interval without the belt/tensioner failing. Hence why people won't driver them. To know that Rovers can be perfectly reliable to helps if you actaully have owned one.
Report my posts if you don't like them
You really love to stir up a nice debate don't you? I never said that the belt tensioners were strong or whatever I agree they were crap so you can stop repeating yourself now.
It's interesting you say I blow on about Rovers, when I believe I said one sentence if you had read my post properly.
The 2.5V6 won't handle as well as the four cylinders anyway due to the heavy V6 engine under it's nose, the 2.0 TS would probably be better, too unreliable for you though I'd say..
As for the gleaming knowledge quote in my previous post, could you explain if it's not too much trouble?0 -
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Lex Luthor wrote: »this is 1 reason...when they look this good..!!!
Love those wheels, have only ever seen them on the Blackline, were they stock or aftermarket, I'm assuming its your motor?0 -
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As usual an Alfa thread on boards turns into a reliability thread - showing how few people here actually understand what it is they are looking for in a car anyway ! :rolleyes:
Having said that - being lucky enough to have driven many Alfas from many decades, few cars deliver the aural, sensory and visual pleasure of driving like an Alfa does. Alfa's inject a drama into driving in cars for the masses that was tends to be only the privilege of cars which cost multitudes of times more.
By the way - I'm not looking through rose tinted glasses ( which I must admit some modern Alfa owners do ) - some of the modern stuff has lost the edge and I've been on the classics section bitching about how sh1te the Alfa 33 was about an hour ago !
"alfa injects drama in to driving" when unexpectingly steering wheel comes off!!!
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Lex Luthor wrote: »they were stock...it was a Monza spec GT. Used to be my motor...:(
I actually think they are the nicest wheels Alfa has stuck on their cars ever...dont know how many people I met who commented on them and wished they came on their cars
as for the interior...absolute PORN...!!!
Lex- your interior is the same as mine 0 -
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einheisserschre wrote: »Why is owning an Alfa Romeo more that just owning a car?
Because Jeremy Clarkson says so life's too short to spend it in a VW
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FYP Ode To The Motorist
“And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road”
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