Multi LNB set up.....

mickdw · 11-10-2011 11:43PM

argosy2006 wrote: »

Whats on 13 east or 19 east, Why?

I want 19 as the formula 1 is free on german channel RTL whereas its on sky sports here from 2012 on.

swoofer · 12-10-2011 09:49AM

i would get the exact measurements from IBA, if you look at his pics, the holder has a screw hole for each lnb and these are 40mm collars so are standard. and i would stick with the triax holder, it works, try another and you will have a few problems.

here is a link with an image, this is what you get, click on image and it shows exactly what you have to grapple with

http://www.sat-planet.ie/lnb_holder_triax?keyword=triax

gbcullen

@mickdw, any reason why you are using an 80cm? The trick with multi sat is you select the weakest, in this case 19e and centre on that and as 28e is very strong you should not have a great problem. With 2 sats its a dual feed so it can be a different bracket but if i was you i would get the one in lnk as with everything we allways want more.

Mexecutioner · 12-10-2011 10:21AM

GBCULLEN wrote: »

i would get the exact measurements from IBA, if you look at his pics, the holder has a screw hole for each lnb

There shouldn't be screw holes for the lnbs, you just tighten them against the bar once they're in the correct position.

I suspect the extra holes in his pics are because he made a mistake with the offset mounting for the bar, as you can see the hole drilled from top to bottom for the central lnb holder. Mustn't have realised the offset was to allow reception of 13e (you certainly wouldn't need it for 28 with 26 as pf).

swoofer · 12-10-2011 01:05PM

Mexecutioner, you are being pedantic, have you got or seen a triax multi lnb holder and for the comment about the extra holes totally unnecessary. If you have not got a triax holder then I can couch my reply for TC appropriately.

And bear in mind IBA did this from scratch.

gbcullen

Mexecutioner · 12-10-2011 01:18PM

GBCULLEN wrote: »

Mexecutioner, you are being pedantic, have you got or seen a triax multi lnb holder

Yes, are you saying I'm just making stuff up? Where did you see screw holes for the lnbs?

And bear in mind IBA did this from scratch.

He didn't, he bought a dish, a multiblock made by the same manufacturer to match the dish & modified it slightly (blindly following others' advice).

mickdw · 12-10-2011 01:32PM

GBCULLEN wrote: »

@mickdw, any reason why you are using an 80cm? The trick with multi sat is you select the weakest, in this case 19e and centre on that and as 28e is very strong you should not have a great problem. With 2 sats its a dual feed so it can be a different bracket but if i was you i would get the one in lnk as with everything we allways want more.

DO you mean I should go bigger?
I current have a 55 to 60cm dish for sky. I will be replacing the dish but I dont want a massive dish if possible.

iba · 12-10-2011 01:52PM

Mexecutioner wrote: »

Yes, are you saying I'm just making stuff up? Where did you see screw holes for the lnbs?

He didn't, he bought a dish, a multiblock made by the same manufacturer to match the dish & modified it slightly (blindly following others' advice).

Im starting to get very sick of some of the very rude comments being posted about me here. The facts are:
1) Im no sat expert;
2)I asked for advice when I was doing my set up and many kind people like banie, zardoz, Watty and others gave me advice and helped me;
3) I didnt just close up shop when Id finished and runaway, instead I posted pics of what Id done;
4) people asked me what did I do like TC,
5) I replied explaing what I did to the best of my ability
6) I didnt tell anybody what I did was the 100% way of doing it or even if it was the correct way - I only said what I did and that it worked for me but if all Im going to get is rude and snide remarks from people in these forums, I wont bother posting anymore.

Ive never said that someone should do what I did or follow me but only what i did and what worked for me. All I was trying to do was to repay the kindness and help that others had given me.

Mexecutioner · 12-10-2011 02:58PM

Whatever, iba, it's really that GB guy I'm getting at as he's presenting himself as someone in the know & I can't stand bullShit.

swoofer · 12-10-2011 03:27PM

iba, ignore him, there are quite a few people interested so stay with it.

I am going to be a bit pedantic for the benefit of mex. This is what I wrote

" the holder has a screw hole for each lnb" notice the word HOLDER . Now click on this image.

Look very carefully at each LNB HOLDER, its that black thing, now look at the silver screw, its a self tapper, that screw goes into a HOLE in the HOLDER and screws into the rail of the triax bracket. The rail is deliberate as it is not possible to make the triax bracket with holes already in situ.

Now a screw goes into a hole and screws to the track. If that is not a SCREW HOLE then I am a dutchman. I never said antyhing about screwing lnb's. And with all this screwing I am getting in a spin.

So if you dont want to be constructive then post somewhere else. If you consider the advice on here is incorrect then say so but back it up with hard facts,even along the lines "" when I set up my multi lnb bracket I did so and so.... and here's a few images. You should post a few anyway so we can have a gander. You may even have an easy peasy method.

We are here to help each other and save us faffing about wasting time. IBA has the foxsat receiver so that is a big help and it works like a dream so let others adopt the same. end of.

@mickdw, I only asked becaase if you have already got an 80cm it would be pointless saying get a bigger dish. bigger is always better but I am fairly confident 80cm would do. An 88cm would be better and I think TRIAX do an 88cm but getting old for this lark now. Have a look at a few houses around you. Look at premier's set up and that is a 1.1m triax.

You say you are in mayo, here is a good gadget, go to dishpointer com, put in you location, eg castlebar, ireland, scroll down, select multi lnb set ups, choose 28east, 19east and 13east, then press go and voila you now have the dish elevation. Now scroll down further and see the bit about available dish sizes, click on that, a big list opens, now scroll down to 28east, you will see to the right a list of all the sats in that position and then last column it shows dish sizes for castlebar, then if you click on each sat, column before the dish size it will show you the footprint of each sat, ie its reach. Now see 19east it says 80cm so that is the weakest and that will be the one at centre of dish. But that is why I go bigger. I'll check around on the 88cm triax, you are near sea and they do one that does not rust.

enjoy. i am off back to my 1.25cm gibertini

gbc--

mickdw · 12-10-2011 05:19PM

GBCULLEN wrote: »

@mickdw, I only asked becaase if you have already got an 80cm it would be pointless saying get a bigger dish. bigger is always better but I am fairly confident 80cm would do. An 88cm would be better and I think TRIAX do an 88cm but getting old for this lark now. Have a look at a few houses around you. Look at premier's set up and that is a 1.1m triax.

You say you are in mayo, here is a good gadget, go to dishpointer com, put in you location, eg castlebar, ireland, scroll down, select multi lnb set ups, choose 28east, 19east and 13east, then press go and voila you now have the dish elevation. Now scroll down further and see the bit about available dish sizes, click on that, a big list opens, now scroll down to 28east, you will see to the right a list of all the sats in that position and then last column it shows dish sizes for castlebar, then if you click on each sat, column before the dish size it will show you the footprint of each sat, ie its reach. Now see 19east it says 80cm so that is the weakest and that will be the one at centre of dish. But that is why I go bigger. I'll check around on the 88cm triax, you are near sea and they do one that does not rust.

Thanks for all that. I had seen that dishpointer site but hadnt used the multi lnb thing or any of the dish size stuff.

One last question. The diagrams of the sat footprint show 3 different ku bands. My location puts me right on the edge of the innermost band on the diagrams. Does this make a difference?

t c · 12-10-2011 09:07PM

Jeeze,

All this crap. I asked iba for information on a set up he had on an old thread, I pm'd him and he suggested that I should post same question on forum to help others trying to do the same, so I did, (bet your sorry now iba????).

Any hows, whether it is politicly correct or not I do not particularly care,............IT BLOODY WORKS.

That is what I want and am delighted with info and photos and the knowledge that I can get 26e where I am, and that was the main point of the question.

So all you moaners and "do it right (my way!!!) or don't do it at all" people, butt out.

Thanks to all who answered this thread constructively and POSITIVELY, keep up the good work

cheers.

TC

swoofer · 12-10-2011 11:59PM

@mickdw

when you look at footprint it shows 3 shaded areas and if you look closer there are small numbers, 44, 48, 52 and these are represented by the shaded areas. These figures are to show the power of that particular satellite in the shaded areas and the rule is the higher the number the lower the dish required. They are not bands.

To be honest you don't have to worry about them. There is an actual chart that converts the figures to dish size but not required.

this is the dish I would recommend but the one shown may not be the one you get so check. It comes with a dual sat bracket but again this is for 2 sats close together, the dish shown has a special coating that extends its life ie rust!

http://cpcireland.farnell.com/triax/122801/td-offset-dish-88cm/dp/SE00192

I am getting to old for this so memory fades. google is your friend. I hasten to add I have the 78cm version of that dish but just for sky. ie I know what I am talking about.

gbcullen

banie01 · 13-10-2011 10:18AM

GBCULLEN wrote: »

@mickdw

when you look at footprint it shows 3 shaded areas and if you look closer there are small numbers, 44, 48, 52 and these are represented by the shaded areas. These figures are to show the power of that particular satellite in the shaded areas and the rule is the higher the number the lower the dish required. They are not bands.

To be honest you don't have to worry about them. There is an actual chart that converts the figures to dish size but not required.

this is the dish I would recommend but the one shown may not be the one you get so check. It comes with a dual sat bracket but again this is for 2 sats close together, the dish shown has a special coating that extends its life ie rust!

http://cpcireland.farnell.com/triax/122801/td-offset-dish-88cm/dp/SE00192

I am getting to old for this so memory fades. google is your friend. I hasten to add I have the 78cm version of that dish but just for sky. ie I know what I am talking about.

gbcullen

+1 on GBCullens suggestion!
The TD88 is a great dish!
I have 1 myself with 16e as prime focus and with 6 LNBS and a bit of sats.xml modification I'm pulling 9e(With a lot from 7e and 10e via merging TPs on the .xml) 13e, 16e(Although due to dish size it does drop out in poor weather) 19.2e, 23.5e and 28.2e
This dish and the Triax multiarm are good for a 20'deg spread and with some tweaking to allow a centrally mounted LNB its a very flexible dish.

Now that said, if I was starting over I'd go with a TD110 purely for the extra gain from the larger dish.
But I initially started with 13e and 19.2e on my TD88 and my setup just grew from there as I tried to see just how far I could push the setup

mickdw · 13-10-2011 11:03AM

I ordered td88 and the multi lnb bracket. Will see how I get on.
thanks

swoofer · 13-10-2011 11:04AM

out of interest what lnbs are you using and have you heard of the inverto black ultra? and yes 110 is the ideal solution. 16e is weak at the moment but a sat is chugging its way there and a big boost is expected.

gbcullen

banie01 · 13-10-2011 11:19AM

GBCULLEN wrote: »

out of interest what lnbs are you using and have you heard of the inverto black ultra? and yes 110 is the ideal solution. 16e is weak at the moment but a sat is chugging its way there and a big boost is expected.

gbcullen

I have an Icecrypt Quad at 28.2e, Inverto ultra Black premium twins at 23.5e and 13e,
Inverto Multiconnect Slimline at 16e, An ALPS slimline at 19e, and an Inverto Black premium single at 9e(with an edited xml pulling lots of 7e and 10e too)
See the pic here.
I have a jumble of LNBs as the setup grew as I learnt more rather than being a once off setup.
Heers an old pic from my thread in foreign sat on my setup

swoofer · 13-10-2011 11:38AM

very nice and yes I have seen that pic before, on an 88dish that is impressive, you will like the 110 if you change. And like me you have a few LNBs Out of all the ones I have used this one rocks and I stopped using singles a long time ago, dont ask why. It has to be this one so hence the full model bit. I did not even check if it is in single and I am off out now. have a scout round and it may not be that expensive but is has to be this one. It rocks. I have eurostar, inavcom, technomate, alps, cambridge, inverto octo ect and this is the best ever.

INVERTO BLACK ULTRA QUAD LNB IDLB-QUDL40-ULTRA-OPP

and a sensitive tuner.

gbc-

iba · 13-10-2011 12:17PM

t c wrote: »

Jeeze,

All this crap. I asked iba for information on a set up he had on an old thread, I pm'd him and he suggested that I should post same question on forum to help others trying to do the same, so I did, (bet your sorry now iba????).

Any hows, whether it is politicly correct or not I do not particularly care,............IT BLOODY WORKS.

That is what I want and am delighted with info and photos and the knowledge that I can get 26e where I am, and that was the main point of the question.

So all you moaners and "do it right (my way!!!) or don't do it at all" people, butt out.

Thanks to all who answered this thread constructively and POSITIVELY, keep up the good work

cheers.

TC

Your welcome TC

iba · 13-10-2011 12:22PM

GBCULLEN wrote: »

out of interest what lnbs are you using and have you heard of the inverto black ultra? and yes 110 is the ideal solution. 16e is weak at the moment but a sat is chugging its way there and a big boost is expected.

gbcullen

GB

The LNB Im using for Hotbird on my dish is the Inverto Black Ultra.

Regards

Iba

iba · 13-10-2011 12:50PM

t c wrote: »

Jeeze,

All this crap. I asked iba for information on a set up he had on an old thread, I pm'd him and he suggested that I should post same question on forum to help others trying to do the same, so I did, (bet your sorry now iba????).

Any hows, whether it is politicly correct or not I do not particularly care,............IT BLOODY WORKS.

That is what I want and am delighted with info and photos and the knowledge that I can get 26e where I am, and that was the main point of the question.

So all you moaners and "do it right (my way!!!) or don't do it at all" people, butt out.

Thanks to all who answered this thread constructively and POSITIVELY, keep up the good work

cheers.

TC

TC

BTW if u c Banie1's set-up, Ive basically copied him from a previous thread and he gave me good advice previously.

U will see that he has the bar turned upside too and then he has drilled a new hole to the left of the centre, as one looks at the bar. Obviously his is a bit different coz he has drilled his new hole to the left of centre, in order to achieve what he wanted to achieve whereas I drilled to the right of centre in order to achieve what I wanted to achive. But the concepts r the same.

Regards

Iba

banie01 · 13-10-2011 01:08PM

iba wrote: »

TC

BTW if u c Banie1's set-up, Ive basically copied him from a previous thread and he gave me good advice previously.

Glad i could be of some help Iba.

For anyone wanting to know why bother flipping the bar and redrilling.
I found(and many others too) that flipping the bar gives an extra little bit of height to LNB allowing 28.2e reception to be that little bit better both this far west and at a high off focus offset.
In my own case I am getting BBCHD in @93%snr on a 12'deg offset LNB.

Also drilling a new hole on the bar allows you to better manage what Sats you pull in, In my case I'm centred on 16e and that left 12' deg off 28.2 on a bar designed for a -+10'deg off prime spread.
So I redrlled to allow me more offset to get the sats i wanted

with a good margin for tweaking.

iba · 13-10-2011 02:26PM

banie01 wrote: »

Glad i could be of some help Iba.

For anyone wanting to know why bother flipping the bar and redrilling.
I found(and many others too) that flipping the bar gives an extra little bit of height to LNB allowing 28.2e reception to be that little bit better both this far west and at a high off focus offset.
In my own case I am getting BBCHD in @93%snr on a 12'deg offset LNB.

Also drilling a new hole on the bar allows you to better manage what Sats you pull in, In my case I'm centred on 16e and that left 12' deg off 28.2 on a bar designed for a -+10'deg off prime spread.
So I redrlled to allow me more offset to get the sats i wanted with a good margin for tweaking.

Banie - u were a great help, thanks a lot

Ronnie Raygun · 17-10-2011 02:12AM

Mexecutioner wrote: »

Yes, are you saying I'm just making stuff up?

You don't necessarily have to "make stuff up" but that doesn't mean you've ever had your hands on any of the kit mentioned in this thread, in which case I would expect you would at least have found a copy of the manual to give your posts some credibility.

If not, maybe this will help you hone yer bluffing skills.......

swoofer · 17-10-2011 05:16PM

as a matter of interest how did you get that pdf?

gbcullen

Ronnie Raygun · 17-10-2011 07:54PM

'Twas Google led me to it, simple as that.

mickdw · 18-10-2011 06:04PM

Got myself a triax td88 and mutli lnb bracket. Wanted to get 28.2 & 19.2. I used some of the info that came with the bracket for setting up distance between the lnbs. Got both working pretty easily with almost full tilt on the bar and the bar being fitted upside down. Ive 90% on my sky lnb for both strength & quality and on lnb for 19.2, Ive got 90 / 70. This is without any major finetuning.

swoofer · 18-10-2011 06:11PM

@mickdw, great stuff and thanks for p[osting back with the result. Give it a few days/weeks and you will want 26 and 13east!

by the way 26 east is good and most of it free to air and its quite strong but you would have to do like IBA above.

enjoy

gbcullen

Greenman · 18-10-2011 06:47PM

Here is work in progress as posted on the Foreign satellite forum. It might give some ideas. The T-9O has been modded as I did not like original holders.

The lnbs are really easy to move into the right place. I choose Hotbird to be the middle of my sat range.

I intend to add more lnbs later for 10,7,4.8 and 0.8 west:)

Well thats it on my multisat setup.

iba · 21-12-2011 03:59PM

Hi Guys,

This time Im looking 4 some help please.

I see on LJs Live on Sat website that the Man U v Fulham match tonite is on Iran TV on Badr 26 at 11900V 27500 3/4

http://liveonsat.com/2_day.php?start_dd=21&start_mm=12&start_yyyy=2011&end_dd=21&end_mm=12&end_yyyy=2011

But when I try to tune in this Station, I receive a Not Found from my STB.

Any help would be appreciated.

Oh, I notice after it says FTA beside the channell name it has in brackets BISS - what does this mean/is this why I cant tune it in?

Thank you

Iba

Peter Rhea · 21-12-2011 05:19PM

iba wrote: »

I see on LJs Live on Sat website that the Man U v Fulham match tonite is on Iran TV on Badr 26 at 11900V 27500 3/4

That channel is on Badr 5's central Asian beam: I might be wrong but I'd imagine you'd need a helluva big dish to get that.

Multi LNB set up.....

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