Multi LNB set up.....

t c

Saw iba's photos and pm'ed him, he suggests I ask question here to help others.

Hi
I plan to set up a system the same as yours, 28, 26, 19.2 and 13E and was wondering how 26e works for you?
Not sure where you are situated, but I am in Shankill south County Dublin.
I will be using a Triax 1.1m dish but was told that the Triax LNB holder was difficult to set up as you cannot set the prime lnb over the centre.
You seem to have overcome this and I like the look of your LNB set up and was wondering if you could give me approx distances between each LNB as it would be a great starting point, and how did you decide how much to lower the outer LNB's and also how much to the side did you drill new mounting hole?

Thanks in advance for any info.

Cheers

Tony.

Peter Rhea

You can aim the lnbs 'freehand' at the dish to find the best signal & use this info to position your bar & the lnbs on it.

This of course assumes that you will have a display of signal quality within sight of the dish (I wouldn't even start without such).

Ronnie Raygun

OP, just concentrate on 26 east to start with, with a single lnb and see how that works out over the course of a few days of day/night viewing & hopefully differing weather conditions.

The stronger sats should be relatively easy after that.

iba

t c wrote: »

Saw iba's photos and pm'ed him, he suggests I ask question here to help others.

Hi
I plan to set up a system the same as yours, 28, 26, 19.2 and 13E and was wondering how 26e works for you?
Not sure where you are situated, but I am in Shankill south County Dublin.
I will be using a Triax 1.1m dish but was told that the Triax LNB holder was difficult to set up as you cannot set the prime lnb over the centre.
You seem to have overcome this and I like the look of your LNB set up and was wondering if you could give me approx distances between each LNB as it would be a great starting point, and how did you decide how much to lower the outer LNB's and also how much to the side did you drill new mounting hole?

Thanks in advance for any info.

Cheers

Tony.

Hi Tony,

Ive actually changed the set-up somehwat since I posted those photos and will try and post a new photo tonite but to try and hep you/answer ur questions in teh meantime:

1. Im in Dublin 15
2. Yes you are correct, the Triax LNB Holder has not been made to have a LNB in the middle but it can easily be modified. What I did first is to turn the bar upside down and then I drilled a hole through the bar about 5cm from the centre to give me a new centre. I then drilled another hole through one of the LNB Holders and the bar to enable me to be able to use it in the center. I attached this LNB Holder to thre bar with a bolt.
3. The next step is to home in on Badr 26 - it can be a bit tricky to pick up thsi sat but with prerverence it can be done. Then Astra 28 i just to the side of Badr and is easily picked up. Hotbird 13 is right at the end of the bar and can also be easily enough picked up And then inbetween 26 and 13 (about half way) u will be able to get 19 (but there is nthing much on it).
4. The tilt of the bari at it fullest - I mean Astra 28 is at the highest the bar will go and hotbird 13 is at the lowest.

Im afraid its hard to explain some of this in writing but after u connect the new LNB holder to ur new centre u will understand/see how the tilt works.

I hoep this helps you a bit and Ill try and post another photo or 2 tonite which may help more.

Regards

Iba

iba

t c wrote: »

Saw iba's photos and pm'ed him, he suggests I ask question here to help others.

Hi
I plan to set up a system the same as yours, 28, 26, 19.2 and 13E and was wondering how 26e works for you?
Not sure where you are situated, but I am in Shankill south County Dublin.
I will be using a Triax 1.1m dish but was told that the Triax LNB holder was difficult to set up as you cannot set the prime lnb over the centre.
You seem to have overcome this and I like the look of your LNB set up and was wondering if you could give me approx distances between each LNB as it would be a great starting point, and how did you decide how much to lower the outer LNB's and also how much to the side did you drill new mounting hole?

Thanks in advance for any info.

Cheers

Tony.

Tony,

BTW I forgot to mention that the signal for 26 comes in perfect, crytsal clear.

Regards

Iba

Ronnie Raygun

t c wrote: »

......was wondering if you could give me approx distances between each LNB as it would be a great starting point, and how did you decide how much to lower the outer LNB's and also how much to the side did you drill new mounting hole?

How do you think one would go about deciding these things?

Move the lnbs around until you find the best signal, that's how, unless you have some mathematical formula based on the dish's focal length or something.

All you're trying to do is pick up signal that your dish reflects from a satellite further east or west than prime focus & lower or higher in the sky due to the Earth's curvature; that's really all there is to it.

Peter Rhea

iba wrote: »

. . . the signal for 26 comes in perfect, crytsal clear.

On the MBC beam? That's what the OP wants iirc.

iba

Peter Rhea wrote: »

On the MBC beam? That's what the OP wants iirc.

Sorry Peter,

I dont understand what iirc means.

I call the sat on 26, Badr, I think previously/and some others call it Arabsat - but yes MBC comes through on this sat, MBC Action, MBC2, MBC 4, MBC Persian, MBC Max etc etc - Dubai 1 is also another very good station that comes through here - shows lots of movies.

Regards

Iba

t c

Thanks for all that Iba, explains a lot.
Good to know that Badr is worth getting if there is movies etc. on it.

If there is not much on 19E, would there be any better satellite between 13 and 26?

Thanks again,

Tony.

Peter Rhea

t c wrote: »

Good to know that Badr is worth getting if there is movies etc. on it.

Didn't you know about MBC etc. already?

The fact that iba is getting MBC is a good sign, given that they're relatively close to your location.

If there is not much on 19E, would there be any better satellite between 13 and 26?

I would say no (take a look at the listings sites & see for yourself).

iba

t c wrote: »

Thanks for all that Iba, explains a lot.
Good to know that Badr is worth getting if there is movies etc. on it.

If there is not much on 19E, would there be any better satellite between 13 and 26?

Thanks again,

Tony.

Hi Tony,

Yes I recommend Badr - MBC2 shows movies all day long and so does Dubai 1 most o the time. MBC Action shows a lot o TV series.

U could go 4 16 degrees instead o 19 but not too much there either.

Heres some new pics 4 u - might help. As u will c in one o the pics, ive turned the LNB holder on its side to bolt it to the rail.

Any more questions, please just ask.

Regards

Iba

iba

one more pic

Peter Rhea

iba wrote: »

U could go 4 16 degrees instead o 19 but not too much there either.

Would you get 16E on an offset?

t c

Cheers Iba.

As they say "a picture tells a thousand words", which is true in this case.

I presume the dish is a 1.1m?

Not having seen a Triax LNB holder, the bolt you use, does it go right through the bar and sit on the LNB bracket (hence causing the tilt), or just through to the second groove?

It looks as though this is the way I will go, though there is a multi LNB holder in Sat-World that may suit as it seems very flexible in its adjustments.

Will keep people informed when I get around to doing it.

Thanks again for all the help.

Tony.

iba

Peter Rhea wrote: »

Would you get 16E on an offset?

Peter,

Not 100% sure - when i tried a 4ew weeks ago i couldnt get it but i understand that a new sat launched at 16 last week - i think it might be called eutelsat - i read about it on another thread by a post 4rom a guy called Zardoz - but I have not tried mysel4

Regards

Iba

t c

Just a quickie observation,

I am surprised that you have such a big space between 26 and 28 LNB's, as I have read that toy need to use slime-line LNB's, or even shave the side of standard ones. Obviously untrue.......

Tony.

iba

t c wrote: »

Cheers Iba.

As they say "a picture tells a thousand words", which is true in this case.

I presume the dish is a 1.1m?

Not having seen a Triax LNB holder, the bolt you use, does it go right through the bar and sit on the LNB bracket (hence causing the tilt), or just through to the second groove?

It looks as though this is the way I will go, though there is a multi LNB holder in Sat-World that may suit as it seems very flexible in its adjustments.

Will keep people informed when I get around to doing it.

Thanks again for all the help.

Tony.

Tony,

Yes the dish is a Triax 1.1

Yes, I put the bolt right through the bar and yes that set the tilt i could use. Ur idea o4 just putting the bolt through to the second grove sounds like a good idea as it will give more room 4 movement.

Would love 2 c ur pics when u get around to doing it.

Regards
Iba

iba

t c wrote: »

Just a quickie observation,

I am surprised that you have such a big space between 26 and 28 LNB's, as I have read that toy need to use slime-line LNB's, or even shave the side of standard ones. Obviously untrue.......

Tony.

Tony,

I just used the LNBs that I had at my disposal and they worked so i didnt need to get any extra slim ones.

BTW the LNB im using to get Astra 28 also picks up Eurobird on 30.

Regards

Iba

Peter Rhea

iba wrote: »

BTW the LNB im using to get Astra 28 also picks up Eurobird on 30.

Eurobird 1 is on 28.5 east.

iba

Peter Rhea wrote: »

Eurobird 1 is on 28.5 east.

Ah, thanks 4 that correction.

Regards

Iba

pelisor2000

t c wrote: »

Saw iba's photos and pm'ed him, he suggests I ask question here to help others.

Hi
I plan to set up a system the same as yours, 28, 26, 19.2 and 13E and was wondering how 26e works for you?
Not sure where you are situated, but I am in Shankill south County Dublin.
I will be using a Triax 1.1m dish but was told that the Triax LNB holder was difficult to set up as you cannot set the prime lnb over the centre.
You seem to have overcome this and I like the look of your LNB set up and was wondering if you could give me approx distances between each LNB as it would be a great starting point, and how did you decide how much to lower the outer LNB's and also how much to the side did you drill new mounting hole?

Thanks in advance for any info.

Cheers

Tony.

Premier

Here is 13, 16, 19, 28, ( 23 also possible and 9 east )

mickdw

Very interesting stuff here. Im looking to set up a dish to receive sky(have a contract) and also german RTL which I believe is on 19.
Will an 80cm dish work for this and if so, which is the hardest to pick up. Should I centre dish on hardest one or should I centre it between both sats.

Zardoz

Premier wrote: »

Here is 13, 16, 19, 28, ( 23 also possible and 9 east )

How big is that dish ?

Peter Rhea

mickdw wrote: »

Very interesting stuff here. Im looking to set up a dish to receive sky(have a contract) and also german RTL which I believe is on 19.
Will an 80cm dish work for this and if so, which is the hardest to pick up. Should I centre dish on hardest one or should I centre it between both sats.

I'm in Monaghan & have 28E & 19E on a zone 2 Sky minidish.

The dish is directed at 28E & the 19E signal only seems marginally worse off; it will disappear in really heavy rain but 28 at this stage will be on the verge of going too (I'd really need a bigger dish for either).

I would think an 80cm in Wicklow would be fine with either sat. as prime focus or a compromise between the two.

Premier

Zardoz wrote: »

How big is that dish ?

Triax 1.1 focused on 16, zardoz

Ronnie Raygun

iba wrote: »

What I did first is to turn the bar upside down and then I drilled a hole through the bar about 5cm from the centre to give me a new centre.

You only turn the bar over to move the original fixing hole to the bottom, thus raising it in the dish-arm bracket which allows more tilt.

If you're boring a new hole, you can put it wherever you want.

pelisor2000

Peter Rhea wrote: »

I'm in Monaghan & have 28E & 19E on a zone 2 Sky minidish.

The dish is directed at 28E & the 19E signal only seems marginally worse off; it will disappear in really heavy rain but 28 at this stage will be on the verge of going too (I'd really need a bigger dish for either).

I would think an 80cm in Wicklow would be fine with either sat. as prime focus or a compromise between the two.

19+28

mickdw

Im in west mayo. Will there be any issue with 19 & 28 on a 80 cm dish out here

Peter Rhea

mickdw wrote: »

Im in west mayo. Will there be any issue with 19 & 28 on a 80 cm dish out here

Where did I get Wicklow from?

I would think it would be alright in Mayo anyway, but a bit of local knowledge would be the thing to get.

argosy2006

Whats on 13 east or 19 east, Why?

mickdw

argosy2006 wrote: »

Whats on 13 east or 19 east, Why?

I want 19 as the formula 1 is free on german channel RTL whereas its on sky sports here from 2012 on.

swoofer

i would get the exact measurements from IBA, if you look at his pics, the holder has a screw hole for each lnb and these are 40mm collars so are standard. and i would stick with the triax holder, it works, try another and you will have a few problems.

here is a link with an image, this is what you get, click on image and it shows exactly what you have to grapple with

http://www.sat-planet.ie/lnb_holder_triax?keyword=triax

gbcullen


@mickdw, any reason why you are using an 80cm? The trick with multi sat is you select the weakest, in this case 19e and centre on that and as 28e is very strong you should not have a great problem. With 2 sats its a dual feed so it can be a different bracket but if i was you i would get the one in lnk as with everything we allways want more.

Mexecutioner

GBCULLEN wrote: »

i would get the exact measurements from IBA, if you look at his pics, the holder has a screw hole for each lnb

There shouldn't be screw holes for the lnbs, you just tighten them against the bar once they're in the correct position.

I suspect the extra holes in his pics are because he made a mistake with the offset mounting for the bar, as you can see the hole drilled from top to bottom for the central lnb holder. Mustn't have realised the offset was to allow reception of 13e (you certainly wouldn't need it for 28 with 26 as pf).

swoofer

Mexecutioner, you are being pedantic, have you got or seen a triax multi lnb holder and for the comment about the extra holes totally unnecessary. If you have not got a triax holder then I can couch my reply for TC appropriately.

And bear in mind IBA did this from scratch.

gbcullen

Mexecutioner

GBCULLEN wrote: »

Mexecutioner, you are being pedantic, have you got or seen a triax multi lnb holder

Yes, are you saying I'm just making stuff up? Where did you see screw holes for the lnbs?

And bear in mind IBA did this from scratch.

He didn't, he bought a dish, a multiblock made by the same manufacturer to match the dish & modified it slightly (blindly following others' advice).

mickdw

GBCULLEN wrote: »

@mickdw, any reason why you are using an 80cm? The trick with multi sat is you select the weakest, in this case 19e and centre on that and as 28e is very strong you should not have a great problem. With 2 sats its a dual feed so it can be a different bracket but if i was you i would get the one in lnk as with everything we allways want more.

DO you mean I should go bigger?
I current have a 55 to 60cm dish for sky. I will be replacing the dish but I dont want a massive dish if possible.

iba

Mexecutioner wrote: »

Yes, are you saying I'm just making stuff up? Where did you see screw holes for the lnbs?

He didn't, he bought a dish, a multiblock made by the same manufacturer to match the dish & modified it slightly (blindly following others' advice).

Im starting to get very sick of some of the very rude comments being posted about me here. The facts are:
1) Im no sat expert;
2)I asked for advice when I was doing my set up and many kind people like banie, zardoz, Watty and others gave me advice and helped me;
3) I didnt just close up shop when Id finished and runaway, instead I posted pics of what Id done;
4) people asked me what did I do like TC,
5) I replied explaing what I did to the best of my ability
6) I didnt tell anybody what I did was the 100% way of doing it or even if it was the correct way - I only said what I did and that it worked for me but if all Im going to get is rude and snide remarks from people in these forums, I wont bother posting anymore.

Ive never said that someone should do what I did or follow me but only what i did and what worked for me. All I was trying to do was to repay the kindness and help that others had given me.

Mexecutioner

Whatever, iba, it's really that GB guy I'm getting at as he's presenting himself as someone in the know & I can't stand bullShit.

swoofer

iba, ignore him, there are quite a few people interested so stay with it.

I am going to be a bit pedantic for the benefit of mex. This is what I wrote

" the holder has a screw hole for each lnb" notice the word HOLDER . Now click on this image.

Look very carefully at each LNB HOLDER, its that black thing, now look at the silver screw, its a self tapper, that screw goes into a HOLE in the HOLDER and screws into the rail of the triax bracket. The rail is deliberate as it is not possible to make the triax bracket with holes already in situ.

Now a screw goes into a hole and screws to the track. If that is not a SCREW HOLE then I am a dutchman. I never said antyhing about screwing lnb's. And with all this screwing I am getting in a spin.

So if you dont want to be constructive then post somewhere else. If you consider the advice on here is incorrect then say so but back it up with hard facts,even along the lines "" when I set up my multi lnb bracket I did so and so.... and here's a few images. You should post a few anyway so we can have a gander. You may even have an easy peasy method.

We are here to help each other and save us faffing about wasting time. IBA has the foxsat receiver so that is a big help and it works like a dream so let others adopt the same. end of.

@mickdw, I only asked becaase if you have already got an 80cm it would be pointless saying get a bigger dish. bigger is always better but I am fairly confident 80cm would do. An 88cm would be better and I think TRIAX do an 88cm but getting old for this lark now. Have a look at a few houses around you. Look at premier's set up and that is a 1.1m triax.

You say you are in mayo, here is a good gadget, go to dishpointer com, put in you location, eg castlebar, ireland, scroll down, select multi lnb set ups, choose 28east, 19east and 13east, then press go and voila you now have the dish elevation. Now scroll down further and see the bit about available dish sizes, click on that, a big list opens, now scroll down to 28east, you will see to the right a list of all the sats in that position and then last column it shows dish sizes for castlebar, then if you click on each sat, column before the dish size it will show you the footprint of each sat, ie its reach. Now see 19east it says 80cm so that is the weakest and that will be the one at centre of dish. But that is why I go bigger. I'll check around on the 88cm triax, you are near sea and they do one that does not rust.

enjoy. i am off back to my 1.25cm gibertini

gbc--

mickdw

GBCULLEN wrote: »

@mickdw, I only asked becaase if you have already got an 80cm it would be pointless saying get a bigger dish. bigger is always better but I am fairly confident 80cm would do. An 88cm would be better and I think TRIAX do an 88cm but getting old for this lark now. Have a look at a few houses around you. Look at premier's set up and that is a 1.1m triax.

You say you are in mayo, here is a good gadget, go to dishpointer com, put in you location, eg castlebar, ireland, scroll down, select multi lnb set ups, choose 28east, 19east and 13east, then press go and voila you now have the dish elevation. Now scroll down further and see the bit about available dish sizes, click on that, a big list opens, now scroll down to 28east, you will see to the right a list of all the sats in that position and then last column it shows dish sizes for castlebar, then if you click on each sat, column before the dish size it will show you the footprint of each sat, ie its reach. Now see 19east it says 80cm so that is the weakest and that will be the one at centre of dish. But that is why I go bigger. I'll check around on the 88cm triax, you are near sea and they do one that does not rust.

Thanks for all that. I had seen that dishpointer site but hadnt used the multi lnb thing or any of the dish size stuff.

One last question. The diagrams of the sat footprint show 3 different ku bands. My location puts me right on the edge of the innermost band on the diagrams. Does this make a difference?

t c

Jeeze,

All this crap. I asked iba for information on a set up he had on an old thread, I pm'd him and he suggested that I should post same question on forum to help others trying to do the same, so I did, (bet your sorry now iba????).

Any hows, whether it is politicly correct or not I do not particularly care,............IT BLOODY WORKS.

That is what I want and am delighted with info and photos and the knowledge that I can get 26e where I am, and that was the main point of the question.

So all you moaners and "do it right (my way!!!) or don't do it at all" people, butt out.

Thanks to all who answered this thread constructively and POSITIVELY, keep up the good work

cheers.

TC

swoofer

@mickdw

when you look at footprint it shows 3 shaded areas and if you look closer there are small numbers, 44, 48, 52 and these are represented by the shaded areas. These figures are to show the power of that particular satellite in the shaded areas and the rule is the higher the number the lower the dish required. They are not bands.

To be honest you don't have to worry about them. There is an actual chart that converts the figures to dish size but not required.

this is the dish I would recommend but the one shown may not be the one you get so check. It comes with a dual sat bracket but again this is for 2 sats close together, the dish shown has a special coating that extends its life ie rust!

http://cpcireland.farnell.com/triax/122801/td-offset-dish-88cm/dp/SE00192

I am getting to old for this so memory fades. google is your friend. I hasten to add I have the 78cm version of that dish but just for sky. ie I know what I am talking about.

gbcullen

banie01

GBCULLEN wrote: »

@mickdw

when you look at footprint it shows 3 shaded areas and if you look closer there are small numbers, 44, 48, 52 and these are represented by the shaded areas. These figures are to show the power of that particular satellite in the shaded areas and the rule is the higher the number the lower the dish required. They are not bands.

To be honest you don't have to worry about them. There is an actual chart that converts the figures to dish size but not required.

this is the dish I would recommend but the one shown may not be the one you get so check. It comes with a dual sat bracket but again this is for 2 sats close together, the dish shown has a special coating that extends its life ie rust!

http://cpcireland.farnell.com/triax/122801/td-offset-dish-88cm/dp/SE00192

I am getting to old for this so memory fades. google is your friend. I hasten to add I have the 78cm version of that dish but just for sky. ie I know what I am talking about.

gbcullen

+1 on GBCullens suggestion!
The TD88 is a great dish!
I have 1 myself with 16e as prime focus and with 6 LNBS and a bit of sats.xml modification I'm pulling 9e(With a lot from 7e and 10e via merging TPs on the .xml) 13e, 16e(Although due to dish size it does drop out in poor weather) 19.2e, 23.5e and 28.2e
This dish and the Triax multiarm are good for a 20'deg spread and with some tweaking to allow a centrally mounted LNB its a very flexible dish.

Now that said, if I was starting over I'd go with a TD110 purely for the extra gain from the larger dish.
But I initially started with 13e and 19.2e on my TD88 and my setup just grew from there as I tried to see just how far I could push the setup

mickdw

I ordered td88 and the multi lnb bracket. Will see how I get on.
thanks

swoofer

out of interest what lnbs are you using and have you heard of the inverto black ultra? and yes 110 is the ideal solution. 16e is weak at the moment but a sat is chugging its way there and a big boost is expected.

gbcullen

banie01

GBCULLEN wrote: »

out of interest what lnbs are you using and have you heard of the inverto black ultra? and yes 110 is the ideal solution. 16e is weak at the moment but a sat is chugging its way there and a big boost is expected.

gbcullen

I have an Icecrypt Quad at 28.2e, Inverto ultra Black premium twins at 23.5e and 13e,
Inverto Multiconnect Slimline at 16e, An ALPS slimline at 19e, and an Inverto Black premium single at 9e(with an edited xml pulling lots of 7e and 10e too)
See the pic here.
I have a jumble of LNBs as the setup grew as I learnt more rather than being a once off setup.
Heers an old pic from my thread in foreign sat on my setup

swoofer

very nice and yes I have seen that pic before, on an 88dish that is impressive, you will like the 110 if you change. And like me you have a few LNBs Out of all the ones I have used this one rocks and I stopped using singles a long time ago, dont ask why. It has to be this one so hence the full model bit. I did not even check if it is in single and I am off out now. have a scout round and it may not be that expensive but is has to be this one. It rocks. I have eurostar, inavcom, technomate, alps, cambridge, inverto octo ect and this is the best ever.

INVERTO BLACK ULTRA QUAD LNB IDLB-QUDL40-ULTRA-OPP

and a sensitive tuner.

gbc-

iba

t c wrote: »

Jeeze,

All this crap. I asked iba for information on a set up he had on an old thread, I pm'd him and he suggested that I should post same question on forum to help others trying to do the same, so I did, (bet your sorry now iba????).

Any hows, whether it is politicly correct or not I do not particularly care,............IT BLOODY WORKS.

That is what I want and am delighted with info and photos and the knowledge that I can get 26e where I am, and that was the main point of the question.

So all you moaners and "do it right (my way!!!) or don't do it at all" people, butt out.

Thanks to all who answered this thread constructively and POSITIVELY, keep up the good work

cheers.

TC

Your welcome TC

iba

GBCULLEN wrote: »

out of interest what lnbs are you using and have you heard of the inverto black ultra? and yes 110 is the ideal solution. 16e is weak at the moment but a sat is chugging its way there and a big boost is expected.

gbcullen

GB

The LNB Im using for Hotbird on my dish is the Inverto Black Ultra.

Regards

Iba

iba

t c wrote: »

Jeeze,

All this crap. I asked iba for information on a set up he had on an old thread, I pm'd him and he suggested that I should post same question on forum to help others trying to do the same, so I did, (bet your sorry now iba????).

Any hows, whether it is politicly correct or not I do not particularly care,............IT BLOODY WORKS.

That is what I want and am delighted with info and photos and the knowledge that I can get 26e where I am, and that was the main point of the question.

So all you moaners and "do it right (my way!!!) or don't do it at all" people, butt out.

Thanks to all who answered this thread constructively and POSITIVELY, keep up the good work

cheers.

TC

TC

BTW if u c Banie1's set-up, Ive basically copied him from a previous thread and he gave me good advice previously.

U will see that he has the bar turned upside too and then he has drilled a new hole to the left of the centre, as one looks at the bar. Obviously his is a bit different coz he has drilled his new hole to the left of centre, in order to achieve what he wanted to achieve whereas I drilled to the right of centre in order to achieve what I wanted to achive. But the concepts r the same.

Regards

Iba