Foreigners talking about you in their own language

Killer Pigeon · 16-10-2011 06:20PM

I feel the same way. I mean every time I go abroad to non-English speaking countries I hate having to put up with people having the audacity to go around and speak in their own language, they should learn a bit of English.

WonderWoman! · 16-10-2011 06:21PM

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

I feel the same way. I mean every time I go abroad to non-English speaking countries I hate having to put up with people having the audacity to go around and speak in their own language, they should learn a bit of English.

I do hope thats sarcasm

danniemcq · 16-10-2011 06:30PM

i've been going out with a fluent irish speaker for the last 4 and a bit years, when i go to her place and everyone is talking irish i get really paranoid...

although i am a bastard so its probably justified

Batsy · 16-10-2011 07:22PM

Fago! wrote: »

Ever get the feeling that foreign people are making fun of you in their own language - right in front of you?

I know they aren't foreigners, but the Welsh do have an annoying tendency to speak to English people in Welsh and to other Welsh speakers in English.

This happened to me at McDonald's in Cardiff in 1998 when I was there for for a few days (I can't even remember why I was there but I stayed in a B&B right next to the Millennium Stadium when the stadium was under construction). I was in a queue and the numpties behind the counter were speaking to the Welsh people in front of me in English. But then when I was served I was spoken to in Welsh when they discovered that I am English even though I couldn't understand a word I was saying.

I wouldn't mind if it wasn't for the fact that the only reason I went to McDonald's in the first place was because a Welshman stole a piece of my beef.

Oranage2 · 16-10-2011 07:38PM

Depends op, are they looking and then pointing in your direction then laughing?

ShadowHearth · 16-10-2011 07:41PM

I am foreigner, its like we have nothing else to tal about, only **** about Irish in our own language....

Alot of people are way to paranoid about this.

I love when few managers or some other who thing they are better then you and tell you: you are not allowed to talk your own language, talk in English between yourselfs... I then start talking even more In my own language just to be a dick.

FruitLover · 16-10-2011 07:55PM

WonderWoman! wrote: »

I do hope thats sarcasm

No, he's definitely entirely serious...

Haelium · 16-10-2011 08:00PM

ShadowHearth wrote: »

I am foreigner, its like we have nothing else to tal about, only **** about Irish in our own language....

Alot of people are way to paranoid about this.

I love when few managers or some other who thing they are better then you and tell you: you are not allowed to talk your own language, talk in English between yourselfs... I then start talking even more In my own language just to be a dick.

So wait, you know that it makes Irish people uncomfortable and your manager tells you to speak English and you refuse? Has it occurred to you that perhaps this is how xenophobia arises?

risteard7 · 16-10-2011 08:05PM

Fago! wrote: »

Ever get the feeling that foreign people are making fun of you in their own language - right in front of you?

Right now I'm in work in the canteen. There's a group of eastern european coworkers at the next table and they'd talking in their own language for a bit, then they'd look over at me or one of the other lads and start laughing. Very unsettling.

How dare you talk about or criticise foreigners on boards they are more important than you even though your from Ireland!Thats the impression i get any time there mentioned here anyway.

saywhatyousee · 16-10-2011 08:07PM

Batsy wrote: »

Welshman stole a piece of my beef.

:pac::pac:

The King of Moo · 16-10-2011 08:11PM

risteard7 wrote: »

How dare you talk about or criticise foreigners on boards they are more important than you even though your from Ireland!Thats the impression i get any time there mentioned here anyway.

I've never seen anyone say that people from outside Ireland are more important than people who were born here.

Any examples?

The Snipe · 16-10-2011 08:14PM

Talk about them in Irish, or Learn some of the iinsulting words in their language so that you'll know!

Or hell, just secretly learn their language and then some day randomly start talking to them in it if they are slagging you off!

16-10-2011 08:20PM

ShadowHearth wrote: »

I am foreigner, its like we have nothing else to tal about, only **** about Irish in our own language....

Alot of people are way to paranoid about this.

I love when few managers or some other who thing they are better then you and tell you: you are not allowed to talk your own language, talk in English between yourselfs... I then start talking even more In my own language just to be a dick.

Most people who speak another language do use it to talk crap about people, even if it's just the odd time. Why don't you find some manners and stop talking in a language your coworkers don't understand? It's unprofessional and rude, unless nobody else is around to hear it. I talk to our receptionist in Portuguese because I like to practise, but if someone else comes in, we always switch back to English.

ShadowHearth · 16-10-2011 08:27PM

Haelium wrote: »

So wait, you know that it makes Irish people uncomfortable and your manager tells you to speak English and you refuse? Has it occurred to you that perhaps this is how xenophobia arises?

Emmm I am talking to a person in my own language about my own personal stuff. Why should anyone give a **** what I talk about? I love to live in Ireland, I am obeying laws and even take some of the culture.

I don't go to Irish and say: I am Lithuanian! I am unique! You should respect me for who I am and be more kind! I won't learn English, because I want to keep my own national feeling and bla bla bla etc. I am here in Ireland, I am thankful to be here and I will play by Irish rules, but some things are just pure stupid.

I talk with other Lithuanians in Lithuanian because it's easier and fester for me, if someone has some sort of paranoia and low self respect so he forces us to talk in English about my day off with a friend, then they can go and **** themselves no matter what nationality they are.

That happened not often, but it was told by pure arrogant jerks in the first place. 99% if Irish people I know are spot on. Lovely people, who won't give a **** what language you talk.

The King of Moo · 16-10-2011 08:39PM

ShadowHearth wrote: »

Emmm I am talking to a person in my own language about my own personal stuff. Why should anyone give a **** what I talk about? I love to live in Ireland, I am obeying laws and even take some of the culture.

I don't go to Irish and say: I am Lithuanian! I am unique! You should respect me for who I am and be more kind! I won't learn English, because I want to keep my own national feeling and bla bla bla etc. I am here in Ireland, I am thankful to be here and I will play by Irish rules, but some things are just pure stupid.

I talk with other Lithuanians in Lithuanian because it's easier and fester for me, if someone has some sort of paranoia and low self respect so he forces us to talk in English about my day off with a friend, then they can go and **** themselves no matter what nationality they are.

That happened not often, but it was told by pure arrogant jerks in the first place. 99% if Irish people I know are spot on. Lovely people, who won't give a **** what language you talk.

I think most Irish people living in a non-English speaking country would do the same. I'd make every effort to speak the native language as well as I could if the conversation involved locals.

But if there's a group of Irish people all together talking among themselves, most people in that situation would speak English.
I'd find it hard not to, unless I still wasn't happy with my level of the local language and wanted to improve it a lot by practising as much as possible.

efb · 16-10-2011 08:42PM

even the immigrants have more mates than the OP lol!

Haelium · 16-10-2011 08:45PM

ShadowHearth wrote: »

Emmm I am talking to a person in my own language about my own personal stuff. Why should anyone give a **** what I talk about? I love to live in Ireland, I am obeying laws and even take some of the culture.

I don't go to Irish and say: I am Lithuanian! I am unique! You should respect me for who I am and be more kind! I won't learn English, because I want to keep my own national feeling and bla bla bla etc. I am here in Ireland, I am thankful to be here and I will play by Irish rules, but some things are just pure stupid.

I talk with other Lithuanians in Lithuanian because it's easier and fester for me, if someone has some sort of paranoia and low self respect so he forces us to talk in English about my day off with a friend, then they can go and **** themselves no matter what nationality they are.

That happened not often, but it was told by pure arrogant jerks in the first place. 99% if Irish people I know are spot on. Lovely people, who won't give a **** what language you talk.

I don't think anybody cares what language you speak usually, but if you're in the workplace and a manager tells you to speak English you should just do what he says.

Doom · 16-10-2011 08:49PM

Fago! wrote: »

Ever get the feeling that foreign people are making fun of you in their own language - right in front of you?

Right now I'm in work in the canteen. There's a group of eastern european coworkers at the next table and they'd talking in their own language for a bit, then they'd look over at me or one of the other lads and start laughing. Very unsettling.

Blast them with piss:cool:

biko · 16-10-2011 08:49PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIzFqOxplV4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSuJ9b96w9U

ShadowHearth · 16-10-2011 08:49PM

The King of Moo wrote: »

I think most Irish people living in a non-English speaking country would do the same. I'd make every effort to speak the native language as well as I could if the conversation involved locals.

But if there's a group of Irish people all together talking among themselves, most people in that situation would speak English.
I'd find it hard not to, unless I still wasn't happy with my level of the local language and wanted to improve it a lot by practising as much as possible.

This is the thing:

If an Irish involved in conversation I go pure English. Even if out of 4 people 1 is Irish, I will talk in English.

Now if 2 of us talking in our language and then Irish just stands somewhere near by, who is not part of our conversation, why we should talk im English?!

Funny enough I work around alot of polish people, I understand very very very little in polish, I don't feel uncomfortable when they talk to each other in polish. I just go on with my work, I have enough **** to do, then wonder if they talk about my fat arse or how I am a gamer nerd or how they had good few drinks last night...

ShadowHearth · 16-10-2011 08:53PM

Haelium wrote: »

I don't think anybody cares what language you speak usually, but if you're in the workplace and a manager tells you to speak English you should just do what he says.

If manager will tell you to go home and slap your wife then call her fat, you will do so too?

Last time russsiams told Lithuanian that they can't talk in their own language and talk only in Russians. Closed Lithuanian schools, burned Lithuanian books, putting Lithuanian teachers in to jail. Didn't worked... Why some prick, who thinks that he is better then everyone else, will succeed?

Napper Hawkins · 16-10-2011 09:02PM

If someone hasn't the balls to insult you in a language you understand then you really have nothing to worry about because the insult clearly has no weight anyway.

Let them waffle away in whatever language they choose and get on with your life.

Haelium · 16-10-2011 09:04PM

ShadowHearth wrote: »

If manager will tell you to go home and slap your wife then call her fat, you will do so too?

Last time russsiams told Lithuanian that they can't talk in their own language and talk only in Russians. Closed Lithuanian schools, burned Lithuanian books, putting Lithuanian teachers in to jail. Didn't worked... Why some prick, who thinks that he is better then everyone else, will succeed?

I think that's a bit of a stretch, speaking English in an English speaking country isn't exactly the same as domestic violence. As for the Communist war on culture reference, is this some new form of Godwins law but with communism instead?

ShadowHearth · 16-10-2011 09:18PM

Haelium wrote: »

I think that's a bit of a stretch, speaking English in an English speaking country isn't exactly the same as domestic violence. As for the Communist war on culture reference, is this some new form of Godwins law but with communism instead?

In my opinion it's a wee bit of stretch for someone to force not to speak in theyr own language, when it is not related to work. In my experience,Those who do it are just being dicks, who cant bite you in work related thing, so they do it by this low move.

Azureus · 17-10-2011 08:28AM

To be honest, it really annoys me when people do this in work aswell. If you're in a English speaking environment (such as the workplace in Ireland) you should speak English regardless of who you're speaking to. Its basic manners. When you're on the bus/out and about with friends etc speak whatever language you like/feel most comfortable in, but when you're in a communal environment such as work be respectful and speak in the commonly used language.

If you're English isnt great,by all means do a bit of both, but at least show you're making an effort. If I was working in Paris and chatted away in English to other Irish colleagues, they would go spare and rightly so too-despite the fact that most Parisians speak good English aswell as French. Its not about paranoia of what theyre talking about to me, its just politeness and shows a willingness to adapt to the working environment of the country who is employing you.

Cianos · 17-10-2011 08:53AM

Azureus wrote: »

To be honest, it really annoys me when people do this in work aswell. If you're in a English speaking environment (such as the workplace in Ireland) you should speak English regardless of who you're speaking to. Its basic manners. When you're on the bus/out and about with friends etc speak whatever language you like/feel most comfortable in, but when you're in a communal environment such as work be respectful and speak in the commonly used language.

If you're English isnt great,by all means do a bit of both, but at least show you're making an effort. If I was working in Paris and chatted away in English to other Irish colleagues, they would go spare and rightly so too-despite the fact that most Parisians speak good English aswell as French. Its not about paranoia of what theyre talking about to me, its just politeness and shows a willingness to adapt to the working environment of the country who is employing you.

I think it largely depends on the type of job and the nature of the work environment.

starch4ser · 17-10-2011 08:57AM

they should all be given one way ryanair tickets back home, dirty moochers the lot of um... :pac:

ShadowHearth · 17-10-2011 09:15AM

starch4ser wrote: »

they should all be given one way ryanair tickets back home, dirty moochers the lot of um... :pac:

You forgot to add " blast them with piss too",.....

Oranage2 · 17-10-2011 09:34AM

为什么所有那些白色的人看起来是一样的吗？

Oups, wrong minority

Oranage2 · 17-10-2011 09:35AM

为什么所有那些白色的人看起来是一样的吗？

Oups, wrong minority

Foreigners talking about you in their own language

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