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Is Sean Gallagher telling lies

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  • #242
    KELTICKNIGHTT
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    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    For someone who seems to - correctly - question everything about McGuinness and his iRA membership, you're being very defensive of some serious question marks in terms of Gallagher's memberships.

    Any particular reason for that ?

    Very simple
    Yes he Has connection to ff,everyone one knows that.
    when he left the ff is the question, but when people say he's a FF candidate when he's not running as FF candidate ,show proof that he is instead of there own personal comments.
    show proof he's running as FF.
    as regards too Ira and sein fein ,do i have to explain the difference to you between the two.


  • #243
    Liam Byrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,152 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »
    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    For someone who seems to - correctly - question everything about McGuinness and his iRA membership, you're being very defensive of some serious question marks in terms of Gallagher's memberships.

    Any particular reason for that ?

    Very simple
    Yes he Has connection to ff,everyone one knows that.
    when he left the ff is the question, but when people say he's a FF candidate when he's not running as FF candidate ,show proof that he is instead of there own personal comments.
    show proof he's running as FF.
    as regards too Ira and sein fein ,do i have to explain the difference to you between the two.

    There's a question about when McG left the IRA too, so it's the same issue.

    A lie is a lie.


  • #244
    KELTICKNIGHTT
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    Zubeneschamali wrote: »
    If he does well, we can expect FF to claim him back after the election. We will be told that the dogs in the street knew he was really FF, so every vote he gets counts as a FF vote, and Michéal Martin was really playing it clever.

    FF won't get anything,they did there damage when the country was messed up by them ,Sean Gallagher knows better to have toxic party supporting him,will take FF 15 to 20 years to recover for their mess up.


  • #245
    jank
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    KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »
    is Martin McGuinness ruiing as independent YES or NO answer only

    Fixed that for you? Can you answer your own question.


  • #246
    KELTICKNIGHTT
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    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    There's a question about when McG left the IRA too, so it's the same issue.

    A lie is a lie.

    big difference is mmg has terrorist background,and would say he's still a member of Ira ,Once a member of ira, if you leave ff ,you probably won't get kneecapped or worse.and mmg has 37 years or more practice if being a liar.
    Sean Gallagher is about date when he left the ff
    mmg has alot more he's lying about,membership,killing of Irish people in republic,the where about of killers,if he knows or even was involved, there's a bigger list with mmg,in world media,all they saying is ex-terrorist running for irish presidential election which would damage Ireland internationally ,specially now when we need jobs etc.


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  • #247
    KELTICKNIGHTT
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    jank wrote: »
    Fixed that for you? Can you answer your own question.

    answer my question first and then ill answer yours
    but so you don't waste time
    yes mmg is running as independent with support of sein fein party and has sein fein party members on canvas election trail with him,but as marty mc guinness is connected too ira a terrorist group and with mmg past and present and liar ,he's
    a toxic candidate so not good for country,
    and as this thread is about sean gallagher and there is a thread or 2 about marty mc guinness,back on thread.


  • #248
    Liam Byrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,152 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »
    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    There's a question about when McG left the IRA too, so it's the same issue.

    A lie is a lie.

    big difference is mmg has terrorist background,and would say he's still a member of Ira ,Once a member of ira, if you leave ff ,you probably won't get kneecapped or worse.and mmg has 37 years or more practice if being a liar.
    Sean Gallagher is about date when he left the ff
    mmg has alot more he's lying about,membership,killing of Irish people in republic,the where about of killers,if he knows or even was involved, there's a bigger list with mmg,in world media,all they saying is ex-terrorist running for irish presidential election which would damage Ireland internationally ,specially now when we need jobs etc.

    FF damaged to Ireland internationally to the point where they weren't believed abroad or at home.

    Yes, McG's crimes are bigger, but the damage to lives and mental health that FF have imposed on our citizens has a far wider spread than IRA ever managed.

    SG is part of that toxic spread, and like McG is trying to distance himself from it, albeit temporarily.

    Are you a member of any political party yourself ?


  • #249
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,644 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »
    was selected as FF Dail candidate last December. is Sean Gallagher running as independent YES or NO

    Yes, like McGuinness he is an Independent.

    See upthread for newspaper reports from last December of several FF cumainn in Louth nominating "staunch" FFer Gallagher for the general election, and him turning it down "on this occasion".

    Sean expressed sincere gratitude to all those who had put his name forward and to the many people who had contacted him over the period since his name was mentioned as a possible candidate.

    He did not say "You need your heads examined, I am not even a member of Fianna Fail, I left last March, or possibly September, or maybe in 2009."


  • #250
    swampgas
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    KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »
    again show PROOF that Sean Gallagher is running as ff candidate
    and
    Show PROOF that Sean Gallagher was selected as FF candidate.
    if no proof show,then move on.

    Of course he is officially running as an independent, but IMO he is as FF as MMG is SF.

    I'm not trying to convince anyone else - all I'm saying, is that from my point of view he is an FF candidate in all but name. If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck ...

    I think SG comes across well and has potential, but I think he went way too far in trying to portray himself as somehow disenchanted with and disengaged from FF. To expect to get away with a whopper that big was a big misjudgement. Just goes to show how toxic the FF brand is considered to be, even by FF insiders.


  • #251
    KELTICKNIGHTT
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    swampgas wrote: »
    Of course he is officially running as an independent, but IMO he is as FF as MMG is SF.

    I'm not trying to convince anyone else - all I'm saying, is that from my point of view he is an FF candidate in all but name. If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck ...

    I think SG comes across well and has potential, but I think he went way too far in trying to portray himself as somehow disenchanted with and disengaged from FF. To expect to get away with a whopper that big was a big misjudgement. Just goes to show how toxic the FF brand is considered to be, even by FF insiders.

    so you don't have PROOF,only your personnel option is a ff candidate ,is this correct
    don't think any smart person would want being a ff candidate,hence Sean Gallagher is not.also i think you see alot of people like sean gallagher moving away from ff because how they handle things.


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  • #252
    KELTICKNIGHTT
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    Zubeneschamali wrote: »
    Yes, like McGuinness he is an Independent.

    See upthread for newspaper reports from last December of several FF cumainn in Louth nominating "staunch" FFer Gallagher for the general election, and him turning it down "on this occasion".

    Sean expressed sincere gratitude to all those who had put his name forward and to the many people who had contacted him over the period since his name was mentioned as a possible candidate.

    He did not say "You need your heads examined, I am not even a member of Fianna Fail, I left last March, or possibly September, or maybe in 2009."
    IS Sean Gallagher currently a member of FF ?


  • #253
    KELTICKNIGHTT
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    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    FF damaged to Ireland internationally to the point where they weren't believed abroad or at home.

    Yes, McG's crimes are bigger, but the damage to lives and mental health that FF have imposed on our citizens has a far wider spread than IRA ever managed.

    SG is part of that toxic spread, and like McG is trying to distance himself from it, albeit temporarily.

    Are you a member of any political party yourself ?
    no thank god Im not a member of political party as the choices there in party's are poor and some almost the same .don't agree that SG is part of a toxic spread,he was connected to a toxic party that ruined the country,he bet on wrong horse ,in other words,he made a poor choice with FF,, But left,be nice to see a new party come from somewhere as none of the party's there now appeal to me,there is times i wonder why i came back to this country with the way it was handled but im here and have a family,so have to do what i have to do like everyone else.


  • #254
    raymon
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    KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »
    IS Sean Gallagher currently a member of FF ?

    Please show proof that he is not

    In any case membership isn't important imo

    Gallagher lied about involvement and activity.
    He was clearly involved and active up until a few months ago where he went walking with m Martin on the campaign trail according to the Irish. Times( in addition to various others in FF)


  • #255
    swampgas
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    KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »
    so you don't have PROOF,only your personnel option is a ff candidate ,is this correct
    don't think any smart person would want being a ff candidate,hence Sean Gallagher is not.also i think you see alot of people like sean gallagher moving away from ff because how they handle things.

    If he's so smart, and FF so toxic, why doesn't he just resign from FF and stop his FF-related activities? I don't think he has "moved away" from FF at all.

    Given his track record in FF, I would say the burden of proof is on him to prove that he really is the independent candidate he claims to be.

    Seems to me he wants to have his cake and eat it - stay cosy with FF insiders but portray himself to the masses as the opposite.


  • #256
    Zubeneschamali
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    KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »
    IS Sean Gallagher currently a member of FF ?

    I don't know. When asked over on Facebook, he gave a rather slippery answer:

    I was a member for a period of Ravensdale FF Cumann outside Dundalk but resigned from the Cumann on March 1st, 2010. Best wishes, Seán

    It's strange, however, that Louth FF cumainn would nominate him as a candidate in the GE 8 months after that date, and in summer the Louth CDC did not know that he had left the party, and that he wrote a letter resigning from the Executive Council in january this year saying that he just didn't have time for meetings, without mentioning that he had left the party months before.


  • #257
    KELTICKNIGHTT
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    raymon wrote: »
    Please show proof that he is not

    In any case membership isn't important imo

    Gallagher lied about involvement and activity.
    He was clearly involved and active up until a few months ago where he went walking with m Martin on the campaign trail according to the Irish. Times( in addition to various others in FF)

    Gallagher is a former member of the Fianna Fáil National Executive from may 2011 and now show proof otherwise

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Se%C3%A1n_Gallagher#cite_note-10


  • #258
    KELTICKNIGHTT
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    Zubeneschamali wrote: »
    I don't know. When asked over on Facebook, he gave a rather slippery answer:

    I was a member for a period of Ravensdale FF Cumann outside Dundalk but resigned from the Cumann on March 1st, 2010. Best wishes, Seán

    It's strange, however, that Louth FF cumainn would nominate him as a candidate in the GE 8 months after that date, and in summer the Louth CDC did not know that he had left the party, and that he wrote a letter resigning from the Executive Council in january this year saying that he just didn't have time for meetings, without mentioning that he had left the party months before.

    sean gallagher is running as independent, the dispute is over when he left FF
    Gallagher is a former member of the Fianna Fáil National Executive sense may 2011.
    to say otherwise is a lie unless theres proof to show otherwise


  • #259
    KELTICKNIGHTT
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    swampgas wrote: »
    If he's so smart, and FF so toxic, why doesn't he just resign from FF and stop his FF-related activities? I don't think he has "moved away" from FF at all.

    Given his track record in FF, I would say the burden of proof is on him to prove that he really is the independent candidate he claims to be.

    Seems to me he wants to have his cake and eat it - stay cosy with FF insiders but portray himself to the masses as the opposite.

    Gallagher is a former member of the Fianna Fáil National Executive from may 2011
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Se%C3%A1n_Gallagher#cite_note-10


  • #260
    swampgas
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    KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »
    sean gallagher is running as independent, the dispute is over when he left FF
    to say otherwise is a lie

    Actually, the real issue is whether SG can convince voters that he is an acceptable candidate. Part of this comes down to whether voters feel they can trust him. I.e. does he have the integrity required for a president?

    This is not a court case where anything has to be proved - it's simply a matter of SG being convincing to voters. Right now it looks like he was stretching the truth a little too far when he suggested that he had more or less parted way with FF in 2009.

    If he wants my vote, he'll have to be a bit more convincing about his independence, because FF are toxic for a very good reason.


  • #261
    KELTICKNIGHTT
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    raymon wrote: »
    Please show proof that he is not

    In any case membership isn't important imo

    Gallagher lied about involvement and activity.
    He was clearly involved and active up until a few months ago where he went walking with m Martin on the campaign trail according to the Irish. Times( in addition to various others in FF)
    marty mc guinness a whole lot more about alot of things,who alot more toxic candidate,who will people be more concerned about more,MMG would be.
    be that being said
    the choice of candidate in this election is poor,alot of people aren't interested,they more interested in the up coming budget how how much it will hit there pockets


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  • #262
    KELTICKNIGHTT
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    swampgas wrote: »
    Actually, the real issue is whether SG can convince voters that he is an acceptable candidate. Part of this comes down to whether voters feel they can trust him. I.e. does he have the integrity required for a president?

    This is not a court case where anything has to be proved - it's simply a matter of SG being convincing to voters. Right now it looks like he was stretching the truth a little too far when he suggested that he had more or less parted way with FF in 2009.

    If he wants my vote, he'll have to be a bit more convincing about his independence, because FF are toxic for a very good reason.

    the choices of candidates in this election if you want to call it that is very poor.
    Michael d looks like he will win.think they should shorten the term from 7 to 5 years.


  • #263
    swampgas
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    KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »
    the choices of candidates in this election if you want to call it that is very poor.

    I think the candidates look worse than they might because of the level of scrutiny a presidential race brings is more severe than in a regular general election. So more dirt comes out and more mud gets thrown.

    Personally I'm looking for a candidate who can do the job without screwing it up and who won't use the position as a vehicle for some other agenda.

    Some semblance of integrity would be an added bonus.


  • #264
    KELTICKNIGHTT
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    swampgas wrote: »
    I think the candidates look worse than they might because of the level of scrutiny a presidential race brings is more severe than in a regular general election. So more dirt comes out and more mud gets thrown.

    Personally I'm looking for a candidate who can do the job without screwing it up and who won't use the position as a vehicle for some other agenda.

    Some semblance of integrity would be an added bonus.

    does that integrity exist with all these candidates


  • #265
    raymon
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    From a Bruce Arnold piece in todays independent


    In the case of Sean Gallagher, he has totally misrepresented his position, accepting covert and organised support from the Fianna Fail Party while at the same time concealing this behind a pretence of independence. He has gone further, in misleading statements about his position and what he has said on the public record. And he has claimed as 'a non-issue' the recent revelations of the true picture concerning his support for, and membership of, Fianna Fail, a position that has to be questioned.
    As has been reported, Fianna Fail canvassers from the last election have been canvassing for Gallagher in Cork.
    Anyone who has misrepresented the truth and then describes this as 'a non-issue' has something to hide. They must be regarded with scepticism.


  • #266
    charlemont
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    An out and out 'Yes Man'. I can picture him listening to all the same advisor's and crony's of FF.


  • #267
    CDfm
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    swampgas wrote: »
    because FF are toxic for a very good reason.


    Did someone mention court and the objective bystander test
    06/01/2011 - 14:15:29
    Former Taoiseach John Bruton claimed today that Ireland is run by civil servants who use TDs and Senators to administer their rule.

    Read more: http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/bruton-in-scathing-attack-on-political-system-488245.html#ixzz1aa0KBhwt

    So it may be your issue is with the system of government and JB did not want the Presidents job.

    There is a difference between government which is about ruling and politics which is about winning elections.

    So where SG fitted into the Corporate State Model would be something that would hugely interest me.

    John Bruton never mentioned him and jonniebgood and myself who are not even SG supporters can't see it.


  • #268
    raymon
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    CDfm wrote: »
    Did someone mention court and the objective bystander test


    So it may be your issue is with the system of government and JB did not want the Presidents job.

    There is a difference between government which is about ruling and politics which is about winning elections.

    So where SG fitted into the Corporate State Model would be something that would hugely interest me.

    John Bruton never mentioned him and jonniebgood and myself who are not even SG supporters can't see it.

    What has this got to do with Sean Gallagher and lies ??


  • #269
    CDfm
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    raymon wrote: »
    What has this got to do with Sean Gallagher and lies ??

    I was replying to a specific point another poster made with a not too alternative point of view and making a distinction between politics and government as I would like to see the posters reply within that context.

    I can't see where Sean Gallagher has done anything much ,though, I can see you repeatedly repeating your "lies and anti-FF " mantra's.

    Other posters are essentially saying to you that it is apparent to them that Sean Gallagher is a decent man. They are not even SG supporters.

    The thread seems to have moved on a bit from being about Sean Gallagher. or FF at this stage.


  • #270
    raymon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,771 ✭✭✭raymon


    CDfm wrote: »
    I was replying to a specific point another poster made with a not too alternative point of view and making a distinction between politics and government as I would like to see the posters reply within that context.

    I can't see where Sean Gallagher has done anything much ,though, I can see you repeatedly repeating your "lies and anti-FF " mantra's.

    Other posters are essentially saying to you that it is apparent to them that Sean Gallagher is a decent man. They are not even SG supporters.

    The thread seems to have moved on a bit from being about Sean Gallagher. or FF at this stage.

    The thread is about whether or not Sean Gallagher lied. It has not moved on

    You have tried to change the discussion away from Sean Gallagher many times .

    Please stop the whataboutery


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  • #271
    KELTICKNIGHTT
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    raymon wrote: »
    From a Bruce Arnold piece in todays independent


    In the case of Sean Gallagher, he has totally misrepresented his position, accepting covert and organised support from the Fianna Fail Party while at the same time concealing this behind a pretence of independence. He has gone further, in misleading statements about his position and what he has said on the public record. And he has claimed as 'a non-issue' the recent revelations of the true picture concerning his support for, and membership of, Fianna Fail, a position that has to be questioned.
    As has been reported, Fianna Fail canvassers from the last election have been canvassing for Gallagher in Cork.
    Anyone who has misrepresented the truth and then describes this as 'a non-issue' has something to hide. They must be regarded with scepticism.
    clutching at straws again


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