Is Sean Gallagher telling lies

CDfm · 11-10-2011 01:33PM

raymon wrote: »

None of this adds up ,

You can't handle the truth

raymon · 11-10-2011 01:40PM

CDfm wrote: »

You can't handle the truth

Gallagher writes a few unrelated lines on facebook , and people say that explains it.

This Facebook post tells me nothing.

How does this show he wasn't lying about involvement or being active in FF

What the hell ????? He canvassed for Mehole ffs

Zubeneschamali · 11-10-2011 02:06PM

irishdude11 wrote: »

By the way, seeing as how he was no longer a FF member, why was he 'considering it' when questioned about running in the general election for FF?

According to the Dundalk Argus: Sean Gallagher remained tight-lipped yesterday about his intentions. He is understood to be 'considering his position', but The Argus has learned he has already been nominated by a number of cumainn.

So, Sean Gallagher was apparently nominated by several FF cumainn as a FF candidate in the General Election of 2011. This is a man who was not even a member of FF at the time?

Here he is in the Dundalk Argus, ruling himself out:

'I believe that at this challenging time, we are all called upon to be leaders and I feel that I can best make my contribution by using my skills and abilities to promote a positive message of enterprise, opportunity, cooperation and confidence. For this reason, I will not be standing on this occasion,' said Mr Gallagher.

Note that he did not say "I am not a member of Fianna Fáil, I resigned last March because they have lost touch, I am in independent, why on earth would I run as a FF candidate?"

jonniebgood1 · 11-10-2011 02:15PM

irishdude11 wrote: »

Here is some research I did, no need to thank me -

1. Gallagher said - I left any involvement in Fianna Fáil in terms of being a member of the party or being active back in 2009.
2. Gallagher threw his weight behind several FF candidates to try and get them elected by officially launching their campaigns in February 2011. So that means he was active. He gave such a stirring Pro-FF speech at one campaign that the FF mayor of Castleblaney tweeted "Sean gallagher rallying the troops the atmosphere is electric." - http://twitter.com/#!/dfuncheon/status/33263452738957312

Those statements cant be reconciled. He is liar, there is no confusion over this. He was up and down the length of the country campaigning for at least 3 FF candidates at the last election. So cut the bull, it has been proven days ago that he was lying about his FF activity since 2009. Every single time someone tries to muddy the waters by acting as if there is any confusion on this I will repost these FACTS.

You are contrasting your post (via the introductory comment about thanks) with a properly researched post. You should recognise that there is a huge difference between a first hand source of information and a newspaper report about a tweet. Surely that is clear to see! Do you see the difference?

raymon · 11-10-2011 02:48PM

jonniebgood1 wrote: »

You are contrasting your post (via the introductory comment about thanks) with a properly researched post. You should recognise that there is a huge difference between a first hand source of information and a newspaper report about a tweet. Surely that is clear to see! Do you see the difference?

A fact is a fact is a fact. Which fact do you dispute is true.?
That he said that he was not active or involved since 2009, or the fact that he was active up until a few months ago???

Come on , these 2 are not very complicated , a yes or no answer will do

Zubeneschamali · 11-10-2011 02:58PM

jonniebgood1 wrote: »

You are contrasting your post (via the introductory comment about thanks) with a properly researched post.

If that properly researched post is so great, I'm sure it tells you what date Gallagher left the Fianna Fáil party. It says:

I was a member for a period of Ravensdale FF Cumann outside Dundalk but resigned from the Cumann on March 1st, 2010.

Does that mean that Gallagher was not a member of Fianna Fail from that date? If he was not a member, why did several cumainn nominate him as a candidate in the 2011 election? Why did the Louth CDC write to HQ asking for him to resign from the Ard Chomhairle in summer 2010? Why did he write a letter resigning from the Ard Chomhairle in January without mentioning the fact that he left the party 9 months earlier?

edanto · 11-10-2011 03:07PM

Ask him yourself on his facebook page, that's where I got the answer.

I still think he was dececptive about his involvement, but at least I have it from the horses mouth.

jonniebgood1 · 11-10-2011 03:10PM

raymon wrote: »

A fact is a fact is a fact. Which fact do you dispute is true.?
That he said that he was not active or involved since 2009, or the fact that he was active up until a few months ago???

Come on , these 2 are not very complicated , a yes or no answer will do

My point was in relation to a first hand source of information versus a newspaper report of a tweet. Your post ignores this. I have given my opinion on the 'active' role and you disagree which you are entitled to do. I don't think there is any point in me repeating the same points over and over. If you disagree let me know and I will link back to the same posts again. In relation to the sources of information would you recognise the difference between first hand information and a newspaper report of a tweet? a yes or no answer will do

Zubeneschamali · 11-10-2011 03:15PM

jonniebgood1 wrote: »

I don't think there is any point in me repeating the same points over and over.

Well, no, because they are blatantly wrong. The event in the reported tweet happened. Gallagher campaigned for FF in the General Election. Hell, he considered running for FF in the General Election.

That spoof from his Facebook page does not deny any of these facts.

jonniebgood1 · 11-10-2011 03:19PM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Well, no, because they are blatantly wrong. The event in the reported tweet happened. Gallagher campaigned for FF in the General Election. Hell, he considered running for FF in the General Election.

That spoof from his Facebook page does not deny any of these facts.

If he is FF through and through I wonder why did he not look to get the official nomination?

raymon · 11-10-2011 03:19PM

jonniebgood1 wrote: »

My point was in relation to a first hand source of information versus a newspaper report of a tweet. Your post ignores this. I have given my opinion on the 'active' role and you disagree which you are entitled to do. I don't think there is any point in me repeating the same points over and over. If you disagree let me know and I will link back to the same posts again. In relation to the sources of information would you recognise the difference between first hand information and a newspaper report of a tweet? a yes or no answer will do

So do you agree that he lied then?

Zubeneschamali · 11-10-2011 03:24PM

jonniebgood1 wrote: »

If he is FF through and through I wonder why did he not look to get the official nomination?

For the same reason he declined the nomination to run in the general election: he knew he'd lose with FF on his poster.

And lots of people fell for it, he was second in the last Red C poll among FG voters after Michael D, ahead of gay Mitchell. That's 10% of his polling numbers that he won't see on election day now.

jonniebgood1 · 11-10-2011 03:57PM

raymon wrote: »

So do you agree that he lied then?

No. That is not proven beyond doubt.
To be honest I am just playing the devils advocate here. He has tried to step back from FF as they are a dirty word in politics at the moment, I think he is wise to do so but to call him a liar is over the top and is probably a reaction to his FF links. All the candidates in this election will try and play to the gallery in various ways and that is what SG is doing. They will all avoid answering questions that don't suit the agenda they are pursuing. Thats not a crime though, sure you did exactly that in your last post !:D (Yes I did it earlier also)

jonniebgood1 · 11-10-2011 04:03PM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

For the same reason he declined the nomination to run in the general election: he knew he'd lose with FF on his poster.

And lots of people fell for it, he was second in the last Red C poll among FG voters after Michael D, ahead of gay Mitchell. That's 10% of his polling numbers that he won't see on election day now.

he does'nt have any posters.

Why will he lose 10% between last week and now? People knew last week that he had previously been involved with FF. When he was interviewed over a month ago most of the questions from the public related to his FF links so it is not a new development.

Zubeneschamali · 11-10-2011 04:09PM

jonniebgood1 wrote: »

When he was interviewed over a month ago most of the questions from the public related to his FF links so it is not a new development.

A month ago, when asked questions by the public about his FF links, he was telling lies like this one:

I left any involvement in Fianna Fáil in terms of being a member of the party or being active back in 2009.

So you can understand how voters got entirely the wrong idea about him.

irishdude11 · 11-10-2011 04:10PM

jonniebgood1 wrote: »

My point was in relation to a first hand source of information versus a newspaper report of a tweet. Your post ignores this. I have given my opinion on the 'active' role and you disagree which you are entitled to do. I don't think there is any point in me repeating the same points over and over. If you disagree let me know and I will link back to the same posts again. In relation to the sources of information would you recognise the difference between first hand information and a newspaper report of a tweet? a yes or no answer will do

What the hell are you on about - 'newspaper report of a tweet'. I didnt say anything about a newspaper report of a tweet. I posted a link to the actual tweet itself made by the FF mayor of Castleblaney.

Here are the facts again so as there is no confusion -

1. Gallagher said - I left any involvement in Fianna Fáil in terms of being a member of the party or being active back in 2009.
2. Gallagher threw his weight behind several FF candidates to try and get them elected by officially launching their campaigns in February 2011. So that means he was active. He gave such a stirring Pro-FF speech at one campaign that the FF mayor of Castleblaney tweeted "Sean gallagher rallying the troops the atmosphere is electric." - http://twitter.com/#!/dfuncheon/stat...63452738957312

raymon · 11-10-2011 04:21PM

jonniebgood1 wrote: »

No. That is not proven beyond doubt.
To be honest I am just playing the devils advocate here. He has tried to step back from FF as they are a dirty word in politics at the moment, I think he is wise to do so but to call him a liar is over the top and is probably a reaction to his FF links. All the candidates in this election will try and play to the gallery in various ways and that is what SG is doing. They will all avoid answering questions that don't suit the agenda they are pursuing. Thats not a crime though, sure you did exactly that in your last post !:D (Yes I did it earlier also)

He didn't avoid answering any question. He answered it but he told lies

jonniebgood1 · 11-10-2011 04:27PM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

So you can understand how voters got entirely the wrong idea about him.

I dont think that most voters would be affected greatly if his FF link ended in 2009 or 2011. He is either linked to FF or not, and he clearly has these previous links.

It will be interesting to hear Matt Coopers points to Gallagher today though as if anyone would be scathing about the FF link it will be him rather than the RTE debates upcoming.

Zubeneschamali · 11-10-2011 04:29PM

jonniebgood1 wrote: »

I dont think that most voters would be affected greatly if his FF link ended in 2009 or 2011.

How about if he is in fact a paid-up member of Fianna Fáil?

raymon · 11-10-2011 04:32PM

jonniebgood1 wrote: »

I dont think that most voters would be affected greatly if his FF link ended in 2009 or 2011. He is either linked to FF or not, and he clearly has these previous links.

It will be interesting to hear Matt Coopers points to Gallagher today though as if anyone would be scathing about the FF link it will be him rather than the RTE debates upcoming.

Everyone on newstalk is missing the point.
It is about trust , honesty and telling the truth.

Gallagher is downright dishonest

jonniebgood1 · 11-10-2011 04:49PM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

How about if he is in fact a paid-up member of Fianna Fáil?

That is a sub-point of the FF link. The link to FF is the most important thing, far more so than paid up member or supposed lies.

jonniebgood1 · 11-10-2011 04:50PM

raymon wrote: »

Everyone on newstalk is missing the point.
It is about trust , honesty and telling the truth.

Gallagher is downright dishonest

Matt Cooper is Today FM, not Newstalk.

KELTICKNIGHTT · 11-10-2011 09:54PM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Fact 1) Gallagher clearly said that he left FF in 2009. He even gave reasons why he left, claiming that he thought the party had lost touch with the people. The verbatim quotes are upthread.

Fact 2) He was a member of FF in January. In fact, he was one of just 48 local cumann reps on the Ard Comhairle, the supreme governing body of the party, in January.

Fact 2 means Gallagher was lying in Fact 1.

I love this statement from a campaign spokesman:

"Any suggestion that Sean has got his dates mixed up is completely false."

We're not saying he got mixed up, dude, we're saying he deliberately lied to fool people into thinking he was an independent.

is Sean Gallagher independent for election,yes or no

KELTICKNIGHTT · 11-10-2011 09:57PM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

How about if he is in fact a paid-up member of Fianna Fáil?

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Zubeneschamali · 12-10-2011 09:19AM

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

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That was a question. I don't know if Gallagher is a member.

It seems very likely, as he was nominated as a FF Dail candidate last December, and only resigned from the Ard Comhairle in January this year, and is unable to produce a resignation letter.

When edanto asked him directly on facebook when he joined and left FF, the only extra tidbit of information he offered was this:

I was a member for a period of Ravensdale FF Cumann outside Dundalk but resigned from the Cumann on March 1st, 2010. Best wishes, Seán

Note the careful language. This does not say "I resigned my membership of Fianna Fáil in March, 2010". Since the Louth CDC wrote to FF HQ in summer 2010 asking how to get Gallagher removed from the Ard Chomhairle for not attending meetings, and Ravensdale Cumann are represented on the Louth CDC, it's odd that they wouldn't be aware of the fact that Gallagher had left the party. Apparently no-one at HQ knew either, since thay asked Gallagher to officially resign from the Ard Chomhairle.

Apparently Gallagher didn't know either, since he obliged them with an official resignation from the Ard Chomhairle, saying that he did not have time for the job, and failing to mention that he had left the party almost a year earlier, and expressing his continued support.

swampgas · 12-10-2011 11:50AM

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

is Sean Gallagher independent for election,yes or no

Well, if he is closely associated with FF (which he appears to be), managed to get his name on the ballot paper because of FF controlled councils (which appears to be the case) and reportedly has FF canvassing for him in parts of the country, I'd say no.

He is pretending to run as an independent as the FF brand is so toxic. You might also be suspicious as to why FF are not running an official nominee - you could be forgiven for suspecting that they are really hoping the FF vote goes to SG.

The fact that some people have no problem with him attempting to lie his way into the presidency doesn't surprise me - after all this is Ireland, he is probably a hero to some for being so devious.

Zubeneschamali · 12-10-2011 11:54AM

If he does well, we can expect FF to claim him back after the election. We will be told that the dogs in the street knew he was really FF, so every vote he gets counts as a FF vote, and Michéal Martin was really playing it clever.

KELTICKNIGHTT · 12-10-2011 12:17PM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

That was a question. I don't know if Gallagher is a member.

It seems very likely, as he was nominated as a FF Dail candidate last December, and only resigned from the Ard Comhairle in January this year, and is unable to produce a resignation letter.

When edanto asked him directly on facebook when he joined and left FF, the only extra tidbit of information he offered was this:

I was a member for a period of Ravensdale FF Cumann outside Dundalk but resigned from the Cumann on March 1st, 2010. Best wishes, Seán

Note the careful language. This does not say "I resigned my membership of Fianna Fáil in March, 2010". Since the Louth CDC wrote to FF HQ in summer 2010 asking how to get Gallagher removed from the Ard Chomhairle for not attending meetings, and Ravensdale Cumann are represented on the Louth CDC, it's odd that they wouldn't be aware of the fact that Gallagher had left the party. Apparently no-one at HQ knew either, since thay asked Gallagher to officially resign from the Ard Chomhairle.

Apparently Gallagher didn't know either, since he obliged them with an official resignation from the Ard Chomhairle, saying that he did not have time for the job, and failing to mention that he had left the party almost a year earlier, and expressing his continued support.

are you making thsi up as you go along,
show proof ancd not comments too show :
was selected as FF Dail candidate last December.
is Sean Gallagher running as independent YES or NO answer only

Liam Byrne · 12-10-2011 12:17PM

KELTICKNIGHTT wrote: »

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

How about if he is in fact a paid-up member of Fianna Fáil?

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For someone who seems to - correctly - question everything about McGuinness and his iRA membership, you're being very defensive of some serious question marks in terms of Gallagher's memberships.

Any particular reason for that ?

KELTICKNIGHTT · 12-10-2011 12:20PM

swampgas wrote: »

Well, if he is closely associated with FF (which he appears to be), managed to get his name on the ballot paper because of FF controlled councils (which appears to be the case) and reportedly has FF canvassing for him in parts of the country, I'd say no.

He is pretending to run as an independent as the FF brand is so toxic. You might also be suspicious as to why FF are not running an official nominee - you could be forgiven for suspecting that they are really hoping the FF vote goes to SG.

The fact that some people have no problem with him attempting to lie his way into the presidency doesn't surprise me - after all this is Ireland, he is probably a hero to some for being so devious.

again show PROOF that Sean Gallagher is running as ff candidate
and
Show PROOF that Sean Gallagher was selected as FF candidate.
if no proof show,then move on.

Is Sean Gallagher telling lies

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