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Did you know that there's two referenda this month?

  • 10-10-2011 09:23PM
    #1
    Morag
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,450 ✭✭✭


    Yeah they want to change the constitution again, at this stage it's more "repaired" then a fishermans net, they should just draft a new one.

    I didn't know there was two of them we're meant to be voting on until this morning. Did you know?

    One is about lowering judges salaries and the other is something about having the Dail and Senate being able to investigate more things. Like they are soo good at it now, I swear Ivor calley is roaring laughing.

    Anyway I reckon most people who go to vote on the 27th will wonder why the fúck they are being given 3 ballot papers, unless your one of the lucky ones who get to also vote in the bye election for Brian "I;m not dying I swear" Lenihan's seat.

    and it's not like we have body set up just for campgaining for and educating the people about up and coming referenda, oh **** yeah we do.
    Which was apprently created through another fecking referenda.


    About the only thing they have done is snuck up a website, no posters from
    this lot to let people know whats going on.

    http://www.referendum2011.ie/

    How will you vote in the Constitutional Referendums this Thursday? 183 votes

    I plan to vote YES to Oireachtas Inquiries, NO to Judges Pay
    0% 0 votes
    I plan to vote NO to Oireachtas Inquiries, YES to Judges Pay
    1% 3 votes
    I plan to vote YES to both
    38% 70 votes
    I plan to vote NO to both
    20% 37 votes
    I plan to vote only in one of the above referendums
    37% 68 votes
    I plan to spoil my vote
    0% 0 votes
    Atari vote thingy
    2% 5 votes


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Comments

  • #2
    starbelgrade
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,739 ✭✭✭✭starbelgrade


    Sharrow wrote: »
    I didn't know there was two of them we're meant to be voting on until this morning. Did you know?

    Yes. I keep abreast of the news.

    It's not that hard to do & doesn't take up much time.

    No point in blaming others if you're not informed.


  • #3
    m5ex9oqjawdg2i
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,217 ✭✭✭✭m5ex9oqjawdg2i


    Sharrow wrote: »
    Brian "I;m not dying I swear" Lenihan's seat.
    http://www.referendum2011.ie/

    Too soon... :(


  • #4
    FatherLen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,808 ✭✭✭FatherLen


    starbelgrade wrote: »
    Yes. I keep abreast of the news.

    It's not that hard to do & doesn't take up much time.

    No point in blaming others if you're not informed.

    sorry you lost me at a breast....


  • #5
    Swampy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,105 ✭✭✭Swampy


    Couldn't give a toss.


  • #6
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 17,735 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Sure did.


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  • #7
    cocoshovel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,036 ✭✭✭cocoshovel


    Im sorry but what about 3 ballot papers? I haven't a clue what you're on about.


  • #8
    mackg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,938 ✭✭✭mackg


    yes

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=74647183


  • #9
    InkSlinger67
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,756 ✭✭✭InkSlinger67


    Don't forget the third - The vote between Turnip and Potato to become our national vegetable


  • #10
    mikemac
    Closed Accounts Posts: 19,967 ✭✭✭✭mikemac


    Fix your poll OP, why are results hidden


  • #11
    vicwatson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,417 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    Seven of us sitting around having a pint last Wednesday, 6 of the 7 didn't know about the referenda, I had to explain to them what we would be voting on on Oct 27th. They hadn't heard and just thought it was the Presidential election only.

    First newspaper/radio ad I heard/saw was this morning on Today FM.


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  • #12
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    I did know but think that both proposals are blatant power-grabbing attempts by the government, and unnecessary populist bullshit ones at that.


  • #13
    biko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,060 ✭✭✭✭biko


    mikemac wrote: »
    Fix your poll OP, why are results hidden
    I was just asking myself the same thing.


  • #14
    banquo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,487 ✭✭✭banquo


    Atari ballotbox. Love it.


  • #15
    Morag
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,450 ✭✭✭Morag


    mikemac wrote: »
    Fix your poll OP, why are results hidden

    Ah Balls, hopefully one of the mods will sort that, stupid poll options, wasn't mean to be hidden.

    biko would you be a dear and fix that please?


  • #16
    LimeFruitGum
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,013 ✭✭✭LimeFruitGum


    I only heard about it on the radio this morning and then I looked up the Ref. Commission site, so I think I'm good to go. :)


  • #17
    Paddy Samurai
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,015 ✭✭✭Paddy Samurai


    At present, Article 15.10 states:
    “Each House shall make its own rules and standing orders, with power to attach penalties for their infringement, and shall have power to ensure freedom of debate, to protect its official documents and the private papers of its members, and to protect itself and its members against any person or persons interfering with, molesting or attempting to corrupt its members in the exercise of their duties.

    Does this mean members private papers cannot be investigated,if they are the ones under investigation?. ;)


  • #18
    Scuid Mhór
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭Scuid Mhór


    brian lenihan was a great man caught in poor circumstances. if y'all weren't such government hating sheep you'd know that by now


  • #19
    Oranage2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,129 ✭✭✭✭Oranage2


    Don't ask me im just a girl - he he he


  • #20
    starbelgrade
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,739 ✭✭✭✭starbelgrade


    Scuid Mhór wrote: »
    brian lenihan was a great man caught in poor circumstances. if y'all weren't such government hating sheep you'd know that by now

    That's complete bollox, in fairness.


  • #21
    randylonghorn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,509 ✭✭✭✭randylonghorn


    Sharrow wrote: »
    ... the other is something about having the Dail and Senate being able to investigate more things. Like they are soo good at it now, I swear Ivor calley is roaring laughing.
    Apparently that one is quite iffy though; in an attempt to give the committee structure more teeth, they seem to be exempting it from any kind of recourse to the courts or oversight apart from themselves.


    EDIT:

    The relevant section:

    It shall be for the House or Houses concerned to determine, with due regard to the principles of fair procedures, the appropriate balance between the rights of persons and the public interest for the purposes of ensuring an effective inquiry into any matter to which subsection 2° applies.


    Can anyone say Senator McCarthy?
    Sharrow wrote: »
    biko would you be a dear and fix that please?
    Fixed.


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  • #22
    Morag
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,450 ✭✭✭Morag


    Scuid Mhór wrote: »
    brian lenihan was a great man caught in poor circumstances. if y'all weren't such government hating sheep you'd know that by now

    NewsFlash for ya, Fine Fail aren't the government any more.


  • #23
    Morag
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,450 ✭✭✭Morag


    randylonghorn wrote: »
    Apparently that one is quite iffy though; in an attempt to give the committee structure more teeth, they seem to be exempting it from any kind of recourse to the courts or oversight apart from themselves.

    Can anyone say Senator McCarthy?

    So that they can just investigate and give each other a slap on the wrist?
    Sure none of them can be made to vacate the office.
    No over sight from the courts or any branch of the Dept of Justice, ha sounds like they are trying to take a leaf out of the roman catholic churches book.
    randylonghorn wrote: »
    Fixed.

    Thank you kindly :)


  • #24
    Wertz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,909 ✭✭✭✭Wertz


    Well if I didn't there's a nice chatty radio ad to tell me all about in a friendly and patronising manner.


  • #25
    Morag
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,450 ✭✭✭Morag


    I knew about the one re the judges salaries alright, no idea when they tacked the other on.
    Sure they may as well throw in the other's they have been farting about and not having,
    like the one on the rights of children.


  • #26
    randylonghorn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,509 ✭✭✭✭randylonghorn


    Sharrow wrote: »
    So that they can just investigate and give each other a slap on the wrist?
    Sure none of them can be made to vacate the office.
    No over sight from the courts or any branch of the Dept of Justice, ha sounds like they are trying to take a leaf out of the roman catholic churches book.
    The more worrying thing to me (given that none of the above would be much of a change anyway) is that they're giving themselves the power (assuming the subsequent legislation follows the same line) to investigate basically anything or anyone if *they* decide it's in the public interest without any oversight from or recourse to the judicial branch.

    Each House shall have the power to conduct an inquiry, or an inquiry with the other House, in a manner provided for by law, into any matter stated by the House or Houses concerned to be of general public importance

    (Bold is my emphasis).

    Hence my reference to the McCarthy era.


  • #27
    Morag
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,450 ✭✭✭Morag


    randylonghorn wrote: »
    The more worrying thing to me (given that none of the above would be much of a change anyway) is that they're giving themselves the power (assuming the subsequent legislation follows the same line) to investigate basically anything or anyone if *they* decide it's in the public interest without any oversight from or recourse to the judicial branch.

    Each House shall have the power to conduct an inquiry, or an inquiry with the other House, in a manner provided for by law, into any matter stated by the House or Houses concerned to be of general public importance

    (Bold is my emphasis).

    Hence my reference to the McCarthy era.

    Sound like you may be worried that if they took a notion they could choose to investigate you Randy.


  • #28
    randylonghorn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,509 ✭✭✭✭randylonghorn


    Sharrow wrote: »
    Sound like you may be worried that if they took a notion they could choose to investigate you Randy.
    They know plenty about me as it is, so I can't say that causes me much disquiet. :p

    They could choose to investigate anything or anybody though; and my historian's bump tells me that the most likely candidates will be whatever the redtops are baying about this week, and whatever they therefore see as vote-grabbing issues, regardless of common sense or even justice.

    Conceivably though (while I wouldn't argue that it's especially likely) an independent publication organ like Boards could see itself at the table ... and at a table where the rules of "fair procedure" (note that the word "justice" isn't even used) are set by the people investigating, and the courts have no say.


  • #29
    starlit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,349 ✭✭✭✭starlit


    I knew about choosing a President to vote for but didn't know we had to vote on changing the constitution what do we have to vote for in the constitution to be changed?


  • #30
    AhSureTisGrand
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,326 ✭✭✭AhSureTisGrand


    I'm hoping this will go like Lisbon (attempt one), and people who don't understand and don't give a damn vote no


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  • #31
    Morag
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,450 ✭✭✭Morag


    doovdela wrote: »
    I knew about choosing a President to vote for but didn't know we had to vote on changing the constitution what do we have to vote for in the constitution to be changed?

    You have to vote yes for the changes to happen.
    You can read more about the proposed changes here.
    http://www.referendum2011.ie/


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