Sweet Jesus, are we REALLY that strapped for cash?

Run_to_da_hills · 10-10-2011 10:36AM

RachaelVO wrote: »

From yesterdays Sindo

Edit: From yesterdays nappy.

RachaelVO · 10-10-2011 10:36AM

sensibleken wrote: »

because were getting screwed but protesting is for hippies and crusties aparantely...oh and dole scroungers. so we better just shut up about it and keep taking it

So it seems!!

I just love the "she shouldn't have had 4 kids" thing, and the lack of empathy going on! So the hardliners here would rather their taxes being hiked up to pay back loans taken out to pay back investors who took a punt and lost rather than ensure a special needs child gets a few incontinence pads!

phasers · 10-10-2011 10:36AM

Lando Griffin wrote: »

Free = 0.
Buy > 0.

Wow thanks for the maths lesson professor Hawking.

dearg lady · 10-10-2011 10:44AM

RachaelVO wrote: »

So it seems!!

I just love the "she shouldn't have had 4 kids" thing, and the lack of empathy going on! So the hardliners here would rather their taxes being hiked up to pay back loans taken out to pay back investors who took a punt and lost rather than ensure a special needs child gets a few incontinence pads!

No one said they'd rather their taxes pay that. Personally I don't think the bailout money should be repaid. But nor do I think this couple are entitled to nappies for their child. I think it's more than fair that they receive half (as susggested above, I don't know how many would be needed) and they can make up the rest themselves. As others have said, whats wrong with reusable nappies?

abouttobebanned · 10-10-2011 10:47AM

Yeah let's all keep making the same points over and over. Lets continue to judge these people we don't know.

Lollipops23 · 10-10-2011 10:48AM

mariaalice wrote: »

I have come to the conclusion that a lot of people are neoliberial when they are on boards and when it dose not affect their children or parents, but it would be a different story if it affected them personally,' everyone else is a sponger and too entitled' except me and my family.

I don't think that's fair- I just think it's a strange thing to get so caught up about. Like, I do get very annoyed when I hear of kids with special needs not getting the attention they need in schools because they don't have the resources for a special teacher etc

But I'm wondering where to draw the line with equipment such as nappies- should they provide special foods? Special safety equipment like stair gates? It's another tough part of having a child with special needs- they will need extra love and attention, but also extra materials. The State is providing some of these materials, there's nothing wrong with expecting parents to meet them halfway.

pickarooney · 10-10-2011 10:51AM

dearg lady wrote: »

This is an excellent point actually. My parents used them for us, and anyone I know who's a bit short on cash uses them. Why not indeed.

Most of the people I know who use them are rolling in cash (and on a a perennial crusade to show everyone just how green they are despite the fact they run a washer-dryer cycle a couple of times a day).

CamperMan · 10-10-2011 10:52AM

a disgrace!

dearg lady · 10-10-2011 10:54AM

pickarooney wrote: »

Most of the people I know who use them are rolling in cash (and on a a perennial crusade to show everyone just how green they are despite the fact they run a washer-dryer cycle a couple of times a day).

well there's the green aspect too! And the green angle is a huge issue, I wonder how much landfill is nappies :eek: But nah, few of my friends, supporting family on 1 income, minimum wage, disposable nappies simply could not be afforded.

Lollipops23 · 10-10-2011 10:59AM

pickarooney wrote: »

Most of the people I know who use them are rolling in cash (and on a a perennial crusade to show everyone just how green they are despite the fact they run a washer-dryer cycle a couple of times a day).

That's really not the issue though, they're a hell of a lot cheaper than disposeables. It doesn't matter if the parents get sanctimonious about it

Riddle101 · 10-10-2011 11:00AM

Wow the comments on this thread are way too judgmental. Some people are actually arguing about whether a child with disabilities is entiteled to benefits such as free nappies? Come on, this isn't right people. How can people come on here and complain about stuff like this. It's almost like you're making the parents out to be theives or something. I mean it wouldn't be far beyond the HSE to maybe supply a few extra nappies for the kid.

Plus nobod the knows parents finanacial situation either.

4leto · 10-10-2011 11:02AM

Thats horrific but our biggest budgets out of the public purse goes to 1 health 2 social welfare and 3 education, with the unsustainable deficit we are running up, you have to cut spending in these areas.

All three are necessary and politically sensitive, cut into 1 of these and you will get the horrific individual stories. But the reality is we simply have to, we have no choice.

Lollipops23 · 10-10-2011 11:03AM

Riddle101 wrote: »

Wow the comments on this thread are way too judgmental. Some people are actually arguing about whether a child with disabilities is entiteled to benefits such as free nappies? Come on, this isn't right people. How can people come on here and complain about stuff like this. It's almost like you're making the parents out to be theives or something. I mean it wouldn't be far beyond the HSE to maybe supply a few extra nappies for the kid.

Plus nobod the knows parents finanacial situation either.

Well clearly you live in the real world :rolleyes:

Do you have any idea how much it would cost to supply everything a special needs child requires? This is money that just isn't there, plain and simple. You can bitch and moan and beat your chest, but it won't change that.

SEPT 23 1989 · 10-10-2011 11:05AM

So it was the single mothers fault last week and now back to the disabled this week

All the while the ones who caused this disaster walk away into the sunset with pockets full of gold

I am developing a real hatred for this state:mad:

reprazant · 10-10-2011 11:07AM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

So it was the single mothers fault last week and now back to the disabled this week

All the while the ones who caused this disaster walk away into the sunset with pockets full of gold

I am developing a real hatred for this state:mad:

Yes, that is EXACTLY what people are saying. :rolleyes:

Hobbes · 10-10-2011 11:08AM

twowheelsonly wrote: »

The child is 4 years of age so should be out of nappies long ago.

With special needs children it can take a lot longer. Some cases never. Considering the child is non-verbal and taking medication which impacts their bowels I can see she is justified.

Reading some of the comments below I weep for humanity.

10-10-2011 11:10AM

But if we have no choice why not cut the child benefit of all parents, ' after all you shouldn't have children unless you can afford them' ( according to some people here )

I am sure I am going to get the useful answer of ' I need it myself and my husband are low paid but my neighbours use there's to go to Disney Land take it form them!.

Guy:Incognito · 10-10-2011 11:12AM

Riddle101 wrote: »

Wow the comments on this thread are way too judgmental. Some people are actually arguing about whether a child with disabilities is entiteled to benefits such as free nappies? Come on, this isn't right people. How can people come on here and complain about stuff like this. It's almost like you're making the parents out to be theives or something. I mean it wouldn't be far beyond the HSE to maybe supply a few extra nappies for the kid..

Of course some people are giving a counter arguement. It's ok to question stuff. Is there a credile reason why the state should automatically be responsible for providing the child with all the nappies they need? What about people without special needs kids, is it not possible some of them are struggling just as badly?

Riddle101 wrote: »

Plus nobod the knows parents finanacial situation either.

Exactly, including the people screaming disgrace. They could well be able to afford the nappies but choose to spend the money on other things. But it seems its ok to jump on something as long as your taking the side of the percieved victim.

Hobbes · 10-10-2011 11:12AM

Lollipops23 wrote: »

Do you have any idea how much it would cost to supply everything a special needs child requires?

I have a fair idea.

This is money that just isn't there, plain and simple. You can bitch and moan and beat your chest, but it won't change that.

And I have to say kudos to parts of the HSE who are going out of their way to make sure the kids get help even when there is no money there.

But this instance isn't a case where you don't have an LT, and have to study how to teach your child to talk yourself from an LT, as you don't have the 2-3K required to hire an LT part time.

What is your solution? Let the kid crap themselves?

dearg lady · 10-10-2011 11:15AM

mariaalice wrote: »

But if we have no choice why not cut the child benefit of all parents, ' after all you shouldn't have children unless you can afford them' ( according to some people here )

I am sure I am going to get the useful answer of ' I need it myself and my husband are low paid but my neighbours use there's to go to Disney Land take it form them!.

i think it's brilliant that people get monetary assistance for children, but that's all it is, assistance, the parents are still the ones picking up the majority of the expenses. In this case, the child has special needs, therefore extra expenses. The state gives extra monetary help. Again, I think this is brilliant, it must be so hard, and the extra help makes a difference to the parents. But the line needs to be drawn somewhere. The parents will always have to make up a difference, this is not unreasonable.

wolfmoon87 · 10-10-2011 11:23AM

What is the disability allowance for? I would have thought it was for costs like this- nappies, medication etc. No?

Hobbes · 10-10-2011 11:24AM

dearg lady wrote: »

The parents will always have to make up a difference, this is not unreasonable.

I think that is perfect point. So we don't have full details as to the persons situation, plus now checking it this is reported in the Indo (plus the story has no vanished).

So it was more likely the person in the HSE was making suggestions rather then demanding they only use four nappies a day.

She should probably take the child every hour to the toilet and do a social story with the child so they realise what to do.

getz · 10-10-2011 11:24AM

hard to understand why there is not a washing nappy scheme in ireland,like there is in the UK,all councils in the UK pay parents who use the nappy laundries between £25-£30,the nappies are picked up from your home,washed and delivered back to you,it works out cheeper to the parent than buying disposables ,and cheeper for the council than having to dispose of the used dirty nappies.

10-10-2011 11:30AM

Society cant meet every need that's true We don't have endless money, but the point I am making is often when there is a discussion on boards there is an element of......Do they DESERVE help ( they should be judged before they get help ) and they had better be humble and grateful for the help they get.

Heaven forbid that they should feel ENTITLED to services.

4zn76tysfajdxp · 10-10-2011 11:30AM

Hobbes wrote: »

What is your solution? Let the kid crap themselves?

Isn't he doing that already?

danniemcq · 10-10-2011 11:31AM

Ok so the fact that people in this situation are being treated this way is terrible but i do have to say could HSE not provide maybe 100 washable nappies? They are just as hygienic as normal ones and it would mean that she wouldn't feel the need to "beg" as she puts it.

but then what would the Sindo blow out of proportion then

dearg lady · 10-10-2011 11:32AM

mariaalice wrote: »

Society cant meet every need that's true We don't have endless money, but the point I am making is often when there is a discussion on boards there is an element of......Do they DESERVE help ( they should be judged before they get help ) and they had better be humble and grateful for the help they get.

Heaven forbid that they should feel ENTITLED to services.

well tbh, why are they ENTITLED? As I said above, I'm glad they get help but on earth are they entitled to anything?

Guy:Incognito · 10-10-2011 11:35AM

danniemcq wrote: »

Ok so the fact that people in this situation are being treated this way is terrible but i do have to say could HSE not provide maybe 100 washable nappies? They are just as hygienic as normal ones and it would mean that she wouldn't feel the need to "beg" as she puts it.

but then what would the Sindo blow out of proportion then

You'd have a big uproar about how the HSE are expecting these poor downtrodden people to live in inhumane dickensian conditions. The outrage commitee would be all over that.

10-10-2011 11:38AM

Why do you have the rights that you have, why do you get money every month just because you have children why don't you have to prove you need it! and be judged on how you spent you money.

Why do you have a RIGHT to Child benefit.

mconigol · 10-10-2011 11:38AM

What about reusable nappies? How did people survive before disposable nappies?

Sweet Jesus, are we REALLY that strapped for cash?

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