Is Sean Gallagher telling lies

raymon · 09-10-2011 04:41PM

CDfm wrote: »

He was not in government and hell I am not even an SG supporter here.

As for the Labour Party, I have learned more about them recently and am shocked.

The government of the country is run by a system of corporate statism called the "social partnership" which is not responsible to either the oireachtas or the electorate.

The Trade Union Movement and the Public Service are a big part of that model of government.

Personally, I have seen very little difference in the economic policies put forward by FF, FG or Labour in the past few elections and their support of the Euro was appalling.

The likes of David Begg sat on the Audit Commitee of the Central Bank .The likes of Begg were also fairly high ranking figures in Banking Regulation and choose to do nothing or even speak out even though the Central Bank was independent from the then government.

Sean Gallagher had nowhere near the influence that David Begg had.

http://www.finfacts.ie/irishfinancenews/article_1021252.shtml

Eamonn Gilmore and Brendan Howlins trade union connections aint been able to unravel the public service overspend.

SF's policies are naive and not realistic.

If the President is to stand for anything it is about upholding and improving the democratic & constitutional nature of the state.

So here I am participating in Raymons most excellent thread.

I am being compararitive and not combative.

Please read the title of my op

Stop trying to derail the thread.

If you have evidence that Gallagher lied or did not lie please feel free to contribute

However if you just want to talk about other subjects , please start your own thread

thebman · 09-10-2011 05:51PM

Ignoring all the FF points, he still just isn't the right candidate TBH.

The man seems like someone you would run into the street lifting bags into the back of a truck or something.

I'm sure he is sound and everything but I don't think he'd make a very good president because I don't think he'd be a very good speaker. He is also a celebrity candidate and although I like his no poster campaign, I do not really want a celebrity candidate as president.

I do think he is undeniably FF through and through and if you don't want to vote for anyone with links to FF then you probably don't want to vote for him. I wouldn't call it a deal breaker myself.

jonniebgood1 · 09-10-2011 06:27PM

raymon wrote: »

Oh come on

Gallagher has lied in every interview where he said he was involved in FF only until 2009.

Which part of this lie do you disagree with.

And I don't have an agenda. I belong to no party. I just don't want him to continue telling and retelling this lie ad nauseum

I have seen SG on TV talk of his involvement with FF. I have heard him on radio encourage people to get involved in politics. I have seen letters that are dated early this year that show him resigning from some part of FF. And I have read various articles you linked as 'lies' which were nothing of the sort. You started this thread and are now unable to point to 1 specific lie despite being asked to do this many times.

irishdude11 · 09-10-2011 06:31PM

CDfm wrote: »

He was not in government and hell I am not even an SG supporter here.

As for the Labour Party, I have learned more about them recently and am shocked.

The government of the country is run by a system of corporate statism called the "social partnership" which is not responsible to either the oireachtas or the electorate.

The Trade Union Movement and the Public Service are a big part of that model of government.

Personally, I have seen very little difference in the economic policies put forward by FF, FG or Labour in the past few elections and their support of the Euro was appalling.

The likes of David Begg sat on the Audit Commitee of the Central Bank .The likes of Begg were also fairly high ranking figures in Banking Regulation and choose to do nothing or even speak out even though the Central Bank was independent from the then government.

Sean Gallagher had nowhere near the influence that David Begg had.

http://www.finfacts.ie/irishfinancenews/article_1021252.shtml

Eamonn Gilmore and Brendan Howlins trade union connections aint been able to unravel the public service overspend.

SF's policies are naive and not realistic.

If the President is to stand for anything it is about upholding and improving the democratic & constitutional nature of the state.

So here I am participating in Raymons most excellent thread.

I am being compararitive and not combative.

Excuse me but what the in god's name are you talking about? This thread is about Sean Gallagher, my post that you quoted was about Gallagher yet you start mouthing off about some other stuff that has nothing to do with either.

We are not discussing 'David Begg sat on the Audit Commitee of the Central Bank', 'Eamonn Gilmore and Brendan Howlins trade union connections aint been able to unravel the public service overspend', or who is favorite to win the x-factor this year or whatever other random stuff you come up with. Irish politics is full of slimeballs but in this particular case we are focussing on Gallagher, if you want to talk about Labour or David Begg start a different thread.

Gallagher has been found lying through his teeth about his FF involvement. He says he was no longer involved with them after 2009 yet we have a video of him at an ogra conference creaming his pants over the 'future leaders of the party, and indeed, the country', we have evidence of him campaigning for 3 FF TDs back in Feb 2011, we have 'regrettably' resigning from the FF National Executive in 2011 as opposed to 2009 when he said he did. Nevermind that it seems he never actually left the party at all, he just resigned from the NE because he said was too busy.

irishdude11 · 09-10-2011 06:33PM

jonniebgood1 wrote: »

I have seen SG on TV talk of his involvement with FF. I have heard him on radio encourage people to get involved in politics. I have seen letters that are dated early this year that show him resigning from some part of FF. And I have read various articles you linked as 'lies' which were nothing of the sort. You started this thread and are now unable to point to 1 specific lie despite being asked to do this many times.

Hey, Puff Daddy led a campaign to get people to vote a few years ago, maybe we should make him President? SG has lied through his teeth - see my post above.

How do you equate being no longer involved with FF after 2009 to SG doing all the stuff I mentioned in the post above. I have some family members who are hardcore active FFers and their involvement with FF over the last two years pales into insignificance comared to what SG was up to. I doubt we'd see Gallagher campaigning in an election for Alan Shatter/Pearse Doherty/Pat Rabbitte/etc...He campaigned for FFers in the last election because he IS FF, duh.

raymon · 09-10-2011 07:21PM

jonniebgood1 wrote: »

I have seen SG on TV talk of his involvement with FF. I have heard him on radio encourage people to get involved in politics. I have seen letters that are dated early this year that show him resigning from some part of FF. And I have read various articles you linked as 'lies' which were nothing of the sort. You started this thread and are now unable to point to 1 specific lie despite being asked to do this many times.

The lie is that he said that he has not been involved with FF since 2009.....

Do you dispute that he said this??????

Or do you dispute the fact that he has been heavily involved in FF until just a few month ago.

Please be specific in your objection.

The man is a compulsive liar

I would prefer an honest person to be our president

Callan57 · 09-10-2011 07:32PM

Do you realise that if Sean Gallagher is elected we will be paying him a pension probably for the guts of 40+ years .... we should vote for Michael D as on the law of averages he will be collecting a pension for the least number of years.
As good a reason as any IMHO

CDfm · 09-10-2011 07:34PM

irishdude11 wrote: »

Excuse me but what the in god's name are you talking about? This thread is about Sean Gallagher, my post that you quoted was about Gallagher yet you start mouthing off about some other stuff that has nothing to do with either.

Come off it.

Since when is it fair to just diss a candidate on a thread and not allow a counter argument or comparison to other figures in public life.

Jonniebgood1 nailed it , like him or not, there is no dark secret.

Now SG hasn't lied about his age.

Why this is relevant is. In 1974 , President Childers died at age 70 & his successor O' Dailagh who resigned in 1976 died in 1978 age 67.

raymon · 09-10-2011 07:38PM

CDfm wrote: »

Come off it.

Since when is it fair to just diss a candidate on a thread and not allow a counter argument or comparison to other figures in public life.

Jonniebgood1 nailed it , like him or not, there is no dark secret.

Now SG hasn't lied about his age.

Why this is relevant is. In 1974 , President Childers died at age 70 & his successor O' Dailagh who resigned in 1976 died in 1978 age 67.

What has Gallaghers age got to do with it .

He lied about his recent involvement in FF and did so repeatedly

Callan57 · 09-10-2011 07:44PM

I'm just saying that in tough times it might be a good idea to elect the person who in the long run will cost us the least ... and as Michael D is the oldest it's reasonable to expect that he would be collecting a pension for the shortest period of time.

His FF pedigree automatically rules SG out for me but I was just making a suggestion for anyone thinking of voting for him to bear in mind. Anyway he didn't lie he was just 'economical with the truth' in true FF style.

CDfm · 09-10-2011 07:48PM

raymon wrote: »

What has Gallaghers age got to do with it .

He lied about his recent involvement in FF and did so repeatedly

I was avoiding mentioning other candidates but Michael D is 70 and that is elderly and whether or not he will survive the 7 year term etc should be a concern for voters.

SG is a sprightly 49.

jonniebgood1 · 09-10-2011 07:49PM

raymon wrote: »

What has Gallaghers age got to do with it .

He lied about his recent involvement in FF and did so repeatedly

If this is clear how come you have not been able to link to anything showing this? LINK OR SOURCE PLEASE???

CDfm · 09-10-2011 07:53PM

Callan57 wrote: »

I'm just saying that in tough times it might be a good idea to elect the person who in the long run will cost us the least ... and as Michael D is the oldest it's reasonable to expect that he would be collecting a pension for the shortest period of time.

You should want the most capable not the most economical.

Will Michael D be collecting all his other pensions if elected ????

raymon · 09-10-2011 07:54PM

jonniebgood1 wrote: »

If this is clear how come you have not been able to link to anything showing this? LINK OR SOURCE PLEASE???

I will repeat my earlier message

The lie is that he said that he has not been involved with FF since 2009.....

Do you dispute that he said this??????

Or do you dispute the fact that he has been heavily involved in FF until just a few month ago.

Please be specific in your objection.

The man is a compulsive liar

I would prefer an honest person to be our president

jonniebgood1 · 09-10-2011 07:58PM

irishdude11 wrote: »

Gallagher has been found lying through his teeth about his FF involvement. He says he was no longer involved with them after 2009 yet we have a video of him at an ogra conference creaming his pants over the 'future leaders of the party, and indeed, the country', we have evidence of him campaigning for 3 FF TDs back in Feb 2011, we have 'regrettably' resigning from the FF National Executive in 2011 as opposed to 2009 when he said he did. Nevermind that it seems he never actually left the party at all, he just resigned from the NE because he said was too busy.

He said he left the national executive in 2009 after becoming disillusioned. If you have a source of him saying he had no involvement in any way with anyone from FF after 2009 you should state the source. If you have'nt got such a source then you should pipe down and stop talking about 'creaming his pants' or other such nonsense as it is lowering the tone. We already have unsubstantiated complaints of lies without that.

jonniebgood1 · 09-10-2011 08:02PM

raymon wrote: »

I will repeat my earlier message

The lie is that he said that he has not been involved with FF since 2009.....

As I previously said I am not particularly a fan of his but I have'nt yet seen you provide the apparent 'lie' which you are on about.

So Yes- please show me source of where he said "he has not been involved with FF since 2009". That would help us move this along.

raymon · 09-10-2011 08:03PM

jonniebgood1 wrote: »

We already have unsubstantiated complaints of lies without that.

Please be specific.

kippy · 09-10-2011 08:07PM

Ok,
I believe, like many, Michael D has this wrapped up despite the concerns about his age.

I have major issues with candidates running who have been appointed to various boards over the years by political parties, whether or not they got reimbursed for the "work" or not.
I would like to see what these people did as members of these boards or wheter they were just there to make up the numbers.
Boards of state companies really annoy me, I really dont see why there should be so many, some organisations have more than one. They are just a "thanks for supporting us" kinda thing. Over the years unions have also gotten places on boards and sat idly by as things came to a head is so many sectors of this society.
I'd love to see the presidents who were ex board members outline what they actually did or did not do on the boards they were on. I don't care if Gallagher was put on this board because he had experience in a certain sector, I want to know what he did on that board and what he changed/did not change.
Boards themselves are not the candidates fault, however what they did on them is.

Gallagher is 100% FF and I dont think he has ever denied this -he has said all along he is an FF supporter but may have left the party a few years ago - which is acceptable in my book (acceptable in that he isn't lying)

Anyway boards out!!

For the record:
http://www.seangallagher.com/2011/10/gallagher-outlines-details-of-board-memberships-and-remuneration-received-and-expenses/

Edit - just spotted his election tag (for an independent president) - that potentially on the border of truth.

raymon · 09-10-2011 08:44PM

jonniebgood1 wrote: »

As I previously said I am not particularly a fan of his but I have'nt yet seen you provide the apparent 'lie' which you are on about.

So Yes- please show me source of where he said "he has not been involved with FF since 2009". That would help us move this along.

You must be joking ?

Anyway here is a link to one of the many articles and interviews

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2011/1003/breaking38.html

Liam Byrne · 09-10-2011 08:52PM

raymon wrote: »

jonniebgood1 wrote: »

As I previously said I am not particularly a fan of his but I have'nt yet seen you provide the apparent 'lie' which you are on about.

So Yes- please show me source of where he said "he has not been involved with FF since 2009". That would help us move this along.

You must be joking ?

Anyway here is a link to one of the many articles and interviews

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2011/1003/breaking38.html

Game, set & match to those pointing out his lying, methinks!

jonniebgood1 · 09-10-2011 09:15PM

raymon wrote: »

You must be joking ?

Anyway here is a link to one of the many articles and interviews

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2011/1003/breaking38.html

I think it is you that is joking if that is the basis for your thread. I think he will be questioned more on this but you are again basing your 'lie' claim on your interpretation of his being 'active' as termed in the article. SG will point to his lack of attending in his previous role in the national executive. You will point to attending at his friends election losses this February, etc. Neither is definitive. The media will continue the search as they have not caught him out yet. Neither have you but you should keep trying.

irishdude11 · 09-10-2011 09:15PM

CDfm wrote: »

Come off it.

Since when is it fair to just diss a candidate on a thread and not allow a counter argument or comparison to other figures in public life.

Why are you bringing other figures from Irish politics into it like Begg and Gilmore etc..? We all know there are plenty of dodgy goings and dodgy dealers in Irish politics. What exactly is the point of your comparison between SG and other figures from Irish politics? That SG might be a liar but there are others just as bad? Thats obvious, it doesn't need to be pointed out.

raymon · 09-10-2011 09:26PM

jonniebgood1 wrote: »

I think it is you that is joking if that is the basis for your thread. I think he will be questioned more on this but you are again basing your 'lie' claim on your interpretation of his being 'active' as termed in the article. SG will point to his lack of attending in his previous role in the national executive. You will point to attending at his friends election losses this February, etc. Neither is definitive. The media will continue the search as they have not caught him out yet. Neither have you but you should keep trying.

Straightforward lies and deception ..........

raymon · 09-10-2011 09:30PM

jonniebgood1 wrote: »

I think it is you that is joking if that is the basis for your thread. I think he will be questioned more on this but you are again basing your 'lie' claim on your interpretation of his being 'active' as termed in the article. SG will point to his lack of attending in his previous role in the national executive. You will point to attending at his friends election losses this February, etc. Neither is definitive. The media will continue the search as they have not caught him out yet. Neither have you but you should keep trying.

By the way I have reported your post accusing me of spamming and trolling

jonniebgood1 · 09-10-2011 09:31PM

raymon wrote: »

Straightforward lies and deception ..........

Deception- thats different than a straightforward proven lie. Perhaps we could agree on deception. THere is alot of deception in this election from all candidates.

jonniebgood1 · 09-10-2011 09:31PM

raymon wrote: »

By the way I have reported your post accusing me of spamming and trolling

irishdude11 · 09-10-2011 09:43PM

jonniebgood1 wrote: »

I think it is you that is joking if that is the basis for your thread. I think he will be questioned more on this but you are again basing your 'lie' claim on your interpretation of his being 'active' as termed in the article. SG will point to his lack of attending in his previous role in the national executive. You will point to attending at his friends election losses this February, etc. Neither is definitive. The media will continue the search as they have not caught him out yet. Neither have you but you should keep trying.

Hang on a second you were asking for proof of him saying he had no involvment in FF since 2009 -

jonniebgood1 wrote:

If you have a source of him saying he had no involvement in any way with anyone from FF after 2009 you should state the source. If you have'nt got such a source then you should pipe down

jonniebgood1 wrote:

So Yes- please show me source of where he said "he has not been involved with FF since 2009". That would help us move this along.

You have now been provided with that source of proof - http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2011/1003/breaking38.html

And here is exactly what Gallagher says - I left any involvement in Fianna Fáil in terms of being a member of the party or being active back in 2009.

And he was not attending his 'friends election losses'. He was officially launching the campaigns of several FF candidates in Feb 2011.

You asked for the proof and you got it. That is as blatant a lie as they come. Dont even bother trying to argue it. That is a fact. This FF ****e of saying black is white will not wash anymore.

jonniebgood1 · 09-10-2011 10:05PM

You did link to that but it is then an argument about interpreting what his actions since 2009 are and whether he was active or not, etc. I dont really wish to go into arguing over different interpretations as that would just go on and on.

irishdude11 · 09-10-2011 10:12PM

It is not an argument about interpretation, that Bertie/Cowen/Lenihan style crap about semantics doesn't work any more. He said he was no longer active since 2009. He was VERY active up til Feb 2011, so active that he actually officially launched the election campaigns of several FF candidates. So he was lying, that is a fact.

CDfm · 09-10-2011 10:13PM

jonniebgood1 wrote: »

It must be the first time you have been attacked for being a Fianna Fail Supporter

Is Sean Gallagher telling lies

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