The ESB And Eirgrid can go f*ck themselves - Merge

Paparazzo wrote: »

loremolis wrote: »

I said show me comparison figures i.e. calculations and costings, not two numbers picked out of a report prepared by bodies with a vested interest.

If they think that those costs are correct then why didn't they include the breakdown of the calculations?

Have you anything from an independent source or something with some credible cost analysis behind it?

Because a report from an electricity company doesn't count. They want to continue doing the old expensive way. Can you explain this "vested interest" in putting cables overhead?

Because the ESB and Eirgrid only do overground lines, that's all they know.
From their engineers & surveyors, to the guys who erect the pylons, poles and lines, they only know overhead.

They arent set up for the type of work that undergrounding requires so they avoid it at all costs.

I wouldn't go as far as to say it's union driven, but a lot of the ESB Networks workforce wouldn't know a trench from a hole in the ground.

It's probably just because they've done overhead for so long and when overhead started there wasn't the heavy machinery available for digging like today.

It's a vested interest because the people insisting that overhead is better and cheaper can't do anything else.

dolanbaker wrote: »

loremolis wrote: »

Did you see the primetime program on Tuesday?

According to Eirgrid the shortest line between two points 20km apart is 32km long

But what is between these two points as the crow flies that needs to be avoided, a town or something?

No town.

By turning a 20 km route into a 32 km route they've increased the cost of the line by another 50%.

They've also created another 50% of work for themselves.

No one checks these costs or the route they use so Eirgrid can have all the jobs for the boys they want.

If you think I'm making it up then you're not living in the real world

Monty Burnz wrote: »

loremolis wrote: »

If you think I'm making it up then you're not living in the real world

We're supposed to believe this guff from someone who demands proof for the most common-sense statements, but offers no proof for their own claims? And who, when proven wrong, tries to move on and pretend that nothing has happened?

Real world, you say? :rolleyes:

I've ignored nothing

I'm waiting for the figure per km for undergrounding a 110kv line.

Paparazzo wrote: »

loremolis wrote: »

Because the ESB and Eirgrid only do overground lines, that's all they know.
From their engineers & surveyors, to the guys who erect the pylons, poles and lines, they only know overhead.

They arent set up for the type of work that undergrounding requires so they avoid it at all costs.

I wouldn't go as far as to say it's union driven, but a lot of the ESB Networks workforce wouldn't know a trench from a hole in the ground.

It's probably just because they've done overhead for so long and when overhead started there wasn't the heavy machinery available for digging like today.

It's a vested interest because the people insisting that overhead is better and cheaper can't do anything else.

Yeah, I walk around Dublin city and its all overhead. All that overhead coming from poolbeg is unreal. Can you tell me any overhead high voltage within 10km of poolbeg?

I think you just posted the dumbest post on the entire thread.

There is over 10,000 km of overhead high and medium voltage electricity line in this country.

You mention a few km in a city environment and that's supposed be a counter argument?

I didnt say they couldn't do underground at all, I said they weren't equipped or manned to do it on a large scale.

Keep thinking.

Monty Burnz wrote: »

loremolis wrote: »

The ESB brought a motion before the courts to have her imprisoned.

Can you prove this claim? This one should be easy, even for you. Try the newspapers.

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/woman-faces-jail-for-preventing-esb-access-to-her-property-519739.html

Long version:
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An Offaly woman could be jailed over her continued refusal to comply with High Court orders allowing the ESB and Eirgrid access to her land to complete the construction of a power line.

Today at the High Court the ESB and Eirgrid lodged contempt proceedings against Ms Teresa Treacy of Woodfield House, Clonmore, Tullamore.

They claim that earlier this week Ms Treacy, in breach of a number of previous court orders, prevented them from gaining access to her land by locking gates to her property and by standing in front of the lock when ESB workers tried to cut it.

Mr Justice Kevin Feeney, who granted the ESB/Eirgrid permission to bring the contempt proceedings, made the matter returnable before the court next Monday.

The application was made on an ex-parte (one side only) basis.

The High Court heard that Ms Treacy, who was not present in court today, has denied the ESB/Eirgrid access because of fears she has that trees on her property will be damaged.

Michael Conlon BL for ESB/Eirgrid said Teresa Treacy was "emotionally attached to her forestry".

Counsel said in July Ms Justice Mary Laffoy granted ESB/Eirgrid orders against Teresa and her sister Mary allowing them to carry out works on the Treacys' land.

The defendants were further ordered to unlock gates and remove any barriers blocking the ESB/Eirgrid from accessing the elderly sister's property.

While his client's were initially allowed onto the land, gates on the property were subsequently locked preventing any work from being carried out.

Counsel said his clients, who do not want to see anyone jailed, returned to the High Court in August and secured an order allowing it to open the locks on the gates and enter the lands.

Earlier this week when workers tried to cut open the locks Teresa Treacy stood in front of the locks and refused to let the workers onto the lands.

Counsel said that Teresa Treacy has also informed local gardaí she is prepared to go to jail rather than allow the ESB and Eirgrid access top her lands.

When the matter was before the court in August Ms Treacy was warned by Ms Justice Laffoy of the serious consequences she faced if she continued to act in breach of the orders. The Judge expressed her hope that "common sense would prevail" and the ESB would be allowed on the land.

On that occasion Ms Treacy said she has “no intention” of granting the ESB/Eirgrid access because of the effects its work is having on what she said is a place of natural beauty. She also told the court that would “gladly go to jail,” and that she did not want compensation from the ESB.

She has previously claimed before the court that the 100-acre property where she and her sister Mary reside is a place of natural beauty and wants the power line to be put underground. The ESB said it was unable to do that.

She said the land contains oak, ash, sycamore, birch and pines trees and is mainly surrounded by hedgegrows. She said the ESB/Eirgrids’s actions are “wrong,” and they should “stop what they are doing.”

The ESB says it must place five wooden structures and one steel mast on their land, which involves tree cutting, excavations and installation works over a 30-day period.

Out of 84 landowners on the route only the defendants failed to grant access to their properties. Permission to enter onto land on the route to facilitate the construction of the line was obtained in 2008.