Man who committed minor offence seeks freedom from Mental Institution after 25 years

joseph brand · 05-10-2011 12:15PM

25 long years.

It's around 6-8 for murder. 0- 3 for rape. The system definitely works.

When he gets out he should 'look up' the doctor who kept him there. Pop in unexpected for a short chat.

sbsquarepants · 05-10-2011 01:49PM

"He believes that we are persecuting him"

And all we done is lock him up for 25 years - paranoid fúcker, he should be locked up!:D

Reminds me of a story i read a few years back about a guy who feigned mental illness when faced with a G.B.H. charge, he wrongly believed that the "hospital" would be a cushy number compared to jail. When he got to there he wasn't long changing his mind, turns out insane asylums aren't that pleasant a place to stay!
He spent something like 20 years trying to prove his sanity and repeatedly failing as one of the key "symptoms" of his "illness" was refusal to accept he had the illness. He's still locked up as far as i know!

Chuck Stone · 05-10-2011 03:16PM

Doc: Now listen here you - you're not getting out of here untill you accept our diagnosis that you're mad.

Patient: Okay then; I'm mad, happy now?

Doc: Ah ha! You're going nowhere crazy person - it's another 20 years in here untill we cure you.

WTMF??

It really seems as if that guy is caught in a catch 22 situation. The more he proclaims that he's well the more they undermine his protestations by saying they are a manifestation of his illness!

robindch · 05-10-2011 03:42PM

The Independent wrote:

"My clinical view is that Mr Haines is presenting with paranoid psychosis, in the sense that his preoccupation with the injustice he believes the psychiatric system has caused him is out of proportion with reality," Dr Romero-Urcelay said. "He believes that we are persecuting him".

He's not religious, by any chance, is he?

TheyKnowMyIP · 05-10-2011 06:17PM

robindch wrote: »

He's not religious, by any chance, is he?

No, religious people don't suffer from delusions. It's okay to believe in a god, just don't tell me a pink elephant is outside your room. That can get you sectioned.

I would be more jovial about this, it's just this chap has basically lost most of his life over these power tripping prison wardens.

ItsAWindUp · 05-10-2011 06:28PM

I'd say he's mad to get out.

Oranage2 · 05-10-2011 06:54PM

Edz87 wrote: »

Spat coffee onto my laptop just there.

Bravo sir.

Would you like a tissue?

TheyKnowMyIP · 05-10-2011 07:28PM

ItsAWindUp wrote: »

I'd say he's mad to get out.

It's simply a manifestation of his delusion.

upandcumming · 05-10-2011 07:35PM

Edz87 wrote: »

Spat coffee onto my laptop just there.

Bravo sir.

The amount of people that read mildly amusing posts with a mouth full of coffee/tea and "spit" it all over their laptops is shocking.

CorsetIsTight · 05-10-2011 07:54PM

im invisible wrote: »

He was first brought to Broadmoor in 1986 after pleading guilty to two counts of attempted wounding.

"My clinical view is that Mr Haines is presenting with paranoid psychosis, in the sense that his preoccupation with the injustice he believes the psychiatric system has caused him is out of proportion with reality," Dr Romero-Urcelay said. "He believes that we are persecuting him".

fu(k sake...

It goes to prove that just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you.

Green Back · 05-10-2011 07:56PM

TheyKnowMyIP wrote: »

This dude was kept for quater of a ****ing century because some quack(s) decided he represented a "threat" to society. At least if you murder someone, you might have some idea of if/when you get out. Imagine being kept in a locked facility for such a long time under mere opinion.

A closed consensus does not represent justice, it represents oppression. This really is beyond criminal.

I am actually gobsmacked at this. Forensic psychiatrist? Don't make me laugh. What a farce. Science my balls.

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/historic-hearing-begins-into-broadmoor-patient-seeking-his-freedom-2362090.html

He wasnt plucked out of thin air to spend 25 years in a mental hospital:

"Haines was first detained in Broadmoor in 1986, following two convictions of attempted wounding. Brandishing a machete, he had threatened mental health staff at Maudsley hospital in London."

"She also said he consistently assaults or threatens Broadmoor staff, and was racist toward black nurses."

And his 'medical' supporters are less than inspiring:

"Speaking for Haines' counsel, Jonathan Watkins, an independent social worker, told the tribunal that, although not a clinician, he did not think Haines had a mental illness."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2011/sep/28/broadmoor-patient-appeal-detention-tribunal

TheyKnowMyIP · 05-10-2011 08:11PM

Green Back wrote: »

"Speaking for Haines' counsel, Jonathan Watkins, an independent social worker, told the tribunal that, although not a clinician, he did not think Haines had a mental illness."

Interesting. How should the line between "sane" and "insane" be drawn? The lead author of the DSM-IV thinks it's bull****, maybe we should ask him?

BurnsCarpenter · 05-10-2011 08:17PM

TheyKnowMyIP wrote: »

Is belief in religion a mental illness yet? It should not be. Every person has a fundamental right to believe what they want. This should not be compromised.

Are you suggesting having a religious belief is equivalent to having a mental illness?
I'm guessing you don't know anyone who's had a psychotic episode.

Green Back · 05-10-2011 08:32PM

TheyKnowMyIP wrote: »

Interesting. How should the line between "sane" and "insane" be drawn? The lead author of the DSM-IV thinks it's bull****, maybe we should ask him?

Clearly you should be locked up!!!!!!!!!
Only joking.

Surely it's not wrong to draw a line between 'sane' and 'insane' without getting in to a debate about existentialism for the sake of it?
Do you think there are insane people?

TheyKnowMyIP · 05-10-2011 08:51PM

BurnsCarpenter wrote: »

Are you suggesting having a religious belief is equivalent to having a mental illness?
I'm guessing you don't know anyone who's had a psychotic episode.

Not yet at least. They haven't considered that yet, but don't rule it out. Opposition to Authority is a mental illness now. It's only a matter of time before everything they don't agree with becomes one!

Psychosis is serious stuff, but I believe the vast majority of these cases are either temporary drug induced binges, or the result of a brain(neurological) injury. I would visit a Neurologist quicker than a Psychiatrist if I ever had to deal with Psychosis.

TheyKnowMyIP · 05-10-2011 08:58PM

Green Back wrote: »

Do you think there are insane people

Interesting question. Personally, I think the term "insane" is a social construct. What could be termed "insane" in one country, might be fine in another. It's certainly not as "hard" empirically speaking as someone with a disease.

Charles Bronson was sent "to the funny farm", yet was retrospectively considered "sane". That at least raises questions about the diagnostic criteria. Insanity is relative to a belief someone holds about you. It's more of a legal concept than anything else.

NSFW(Not safe for work) http://www.youtube.com/watch?hl=en&v=mTY5-HD9JN4&gl=US

TheyKnowMyIP · 05-10-2011 09:39PM

Nutcases do exist though, I can't argue with that. My neighbour for example:P

Seachmall · 05-10-2011 09:41PM

TheyKnowMyIP wrote: »

My neighbour for example:P

If you don't want me watching don't shower with the curtains open!

steddyeddy · 05-10-2011 10:20PM

Well I didnt think I was rehabilitated but I guess they needed the extra bed!

TheyKnowMyIP · 06-10-2011 10:50AM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Well I didnt think I was rehabilitated but I guess they needed the extra bed!

That is just your delusion, said the Doctor! Now get back in for bingo. It won't work either way.

TheyKnowMyIP · 06-10-2011 02:52PM

Seriously though, pieta house deserves the money. Not these goons.

Man who committed minor offence seeks freedom from Mental Institution after 25 years

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