Manchester United Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 11/12

flahavaj wrote: »

A perception amongst whom? Your line of reasoning is laughably tenuous.

flahavaj wrote: »

Why bother wasting time arguing over something you deem ultimatley unimportant or having an opinion on???

Pro. F wrote: »

The first three certainly had better reputations than Phelan has. And Fergie has shopped around looking for the best he can get in the past. But all they are, like the majority of assistants in football, is coaches who are too shìt to be managers in their own right.

Gary Neville and the general footballing community can say all they like about Kidd, McClaren and Quieroz's savant tactical powers, but I have no doubt that Fergie is twice the tactician of any of them.

I'm sure they have all been useful in their time with bringing in new ideas, but I'm not going to sweat when we don't have a ''acclaimed'' coach on the support team.

bucketybuck wrote: »

I don't necessarily disagree, I have said three of four times now that Phelan could very well be an excellent coach.

I would not play down the importance of having the best of the best coaching wise at United though. As far as I know Fergie does not get too involved in day to day training, so we do need the coaches to be as good as they can be. That support team is very important.

Tactically and on match days, I agree that it would be all about Fergie.

Wednesday October 5,2011
By Paul Joyce





Danny Welbeck has crammed more into two months than many aspire to in an entire career

FROM scoring in front of an ecstatic Stretford End and illuminating his Champions League debut with two goals, to being elevated into the England squad, Danny Welbeck has crammed more into the opening two months of the season than many aspire to in an entire career.

Yet spend 20 minutes in the company of Manchester United’s young tyro and his hunger is so evident that it becomes clear he simply takes it all in his stride.

The hurdles to come will inevitably become more awkward to vault, but Danny Welbeck shows no sign of tripping up.




“I’m not seeing it as, ‘Whoa, I’ve got to this stage’, or anything like that,” he said. “You just have to take it as it comes, like when you’re playing for the Under-18s. I want to keep improving because I know there are no limits.

“In football, you don’t want to put a limit on anything. You don’t want to be happy with where you’re at.

“If you think of players like Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo, they score goals and break records and they just want to keep breaking them. They don’t want to stop there.

“That’s how everyone should feel. You play your football, you score a goal and you want to score another.”


Danny Welbeck


There are lots of reasons why Welbeck is emerging as a real contender, knocking Dimitar Berbatov, Michael Owen and maybe even Javier Hernandez down the pecking order at Old Trafford in the process.

His eye for goal – he has scored five in eight appearances this season – and technical ability are underpinned by an outlook mature beyond his 20 years.

Being schooled the United way has granted him a privileged upbringing. Part of his fearless approach, he says, is because he plays “the game, not the occasion”.


But it was his willingness when younger to practice the skills religiously, as coaches such as Rene Meulensteen drummed into him their secrets, that has enabled Welbeck to stay ahead of his contemporaries.

“I would be playing in the back garden or just going to a park with friends,” said Welbeck.

“He taught us a few skills and a few drills and wanted us to go and practice them ourselves, at home, not just in the training sessions with him.

“Wes Brown lived directly opposite me so we used to play football together – my big brothers, Wes and his brothers.”

Sir Alex Ferguson always envisaged Welbeck would sport an England shirt one day, leading the attack in a major tournament.

The only caveat to that is that he boldly informed Fabio Capello that the precocious young striker would be making his mark at the World Cup in South Africa.

In many ways, Ferguson killed his own prophecy, unable as he was to grant Welbeck the playing time for United that he wanted to.

Last season Welbeck went on loan to Sunderland, although he regards the time spent there as the making of him.

“Just getting the minutes in the Premier League and to be playing week in, week out with the big boys, that was a really big step and I loved every minute there,” he said.

“I can’t speak too highly of how it helped me going to Sunderland. I know how to go into a game situation, how to prepare during the week and all that stuff.

“Even off the pitch, living on my own, I had to move away from home. As a whole, I’ve grown up from a boy into a man.”

And the advice that is at hand within the United dressing room gives him every chance of fulfilling his potential.

“I’m learning from the best,” he said. “Michael Owen has been to England at a young age and terrorised the world stage. We all know what Wayne Rooney can do. He’s one of the best footballers in the world.

“They are so easy to talk to. It’s not like, ‘Wow, I’m going to talk to Wayne Rooney now’. He’s not like that at all, he’s not that type of character. I’m always watching them in training and how they act around the dressing room.”

He could now find himself alongside Rooney in Montenegro on Friday.

It would be Welbeck’s second cap having been rushed in as a late substitute against Ghana last March to prevent the Black Stars calling him up themselves. (He has Ghanaian parents).

“When I was at Sunderland one of the guys [from the Ghana FA] came to watch Asamoah Gyan, John Mensah and Sulley Muntari, so I spoke to him once or twice after the games,” he said. “But there wasn’t any huge amount of pressure on me to play for them.”

Ghana’s loss is undoubtedly England’s gain.

Giggsy11 wrote: »

I dont have any problems with what people discuss. Its up to them and others who wants to join the debate. Just felt these are the common topics so I mentioned them. I dont know where I moaned about it.

Giggsy11 wrote: »

http://swissramble.blogspot.com/2011/09/manchester-united-introducing-brand.html

Giggsy11 wrote: »

http://swissramble.blogspot.com/2011/09/manchester-united-introducing-brand.html

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

I know it may be bit soon to be getting rid of Rio Ferdinand, but would any of you be willing to let Rio go say next summer if the rumours are true about him going to States?

I mean with the likes of Smalling and Jones coming through is Rio's best days over or is it too premature?

Personally I would still like to see him stick around, but after discussion with mate on my lunch he was saying that when was was over at game at weekend a few of the fans that he got chatting with would not be upset to see him leave.

And after the Hargreaves situation is it worth a keeping a player that may now find himself on the bench as much as he is on the field of play?