Proposed sugar tax: Nanny state to the rescue

UDP · 02-10-2011 03:20PM

ItsAWindUp wrote: »

Yes it does http://www.peta.org/issues/animals-used-for-food/obesity.aspx

Anything you eat has the potential to cause someone to gain weight. Sugar has many more calories than meat and is a bigger issue right now than meat (although many people do eat too much meat).

FinnLizzy · 02-10-2011 03:23PM

Pherekydes wrote: »

No it doesn't. Excess sugar and lack of exercise do.

PETA stands for the ethical treatment of animals, so they're promoting a specific delicious agenda.

FYP

Pherekydes · 02-10-2011 03:26PM

ItsAWindUp wrote: »

It's by an independent doctor. And it's one of many reports that states the same thing.

If you think that website is not peddling their own agenda then fine:

Order PETA's free vegetarian/vegan starter kit and start on the path to a healthier and slimmer you today.

UDP · 02-10-2011 03:26PM

busyliving wrote: »

Would it not be better idea to have fruit and veg tax free

Done and Done

busyliving wrote: »

and have a super tax on these sugar rich food...

I think thats the proposal.

ItsAWindUp · 02-10-2011 03:27PM

Pherekydes wrote: »

If you think that website is not peddling their own agenda then fine:

I never said that they weren't! It just so happens to be an agenda I agree with.

BluesBerry · 02-10-2011 03:29PM

Its just another tax to fcuk people over :mad:

Pherekydes · 02-10-2011 03:33PM

ItsAWindUp wrote: »

I never said that they weren't! It just so happens to be an agenda I agree with.

She's not independent, either. She's an animal rights' activist and a vegan. Of course she's going to say veganism is healthier.

Americans are getting fatter because they eat far too much. (meat included)

Dionysus · 02-10-2011 03:35PM

FinnLizzy wrote: »

...Nanny state....

Nate--IRL-- · 02-10-2011 03:35PM

Pherekydes wrote: »

No it doesn't. Excess sugar and lack of exercise do.

Wrong, excess calories make you fat. Doesn't matter one bit if these are gotten from Meat or sugar.

Nate

Dionysus · 02-10-2011 03:37PM

UDP wrote: »

Anything you eat has the potential to cause someone to gain weight. Sugar has many more calories than meat and is a bigger issue right now than meat (although many people do eat too much meat).

Raw celery doesn't:

'While celery does not have negative calories, the amount of effort required to chew celery consumes more calories then the number of calories in celery.'

amacachi · 02-10-2011 03:43PM

Dionysus wrote: »

Raw celery doesn't:

'While celery does not have negative calories, the amount of effort required to chew celery consumes more calories then the number of calories in celery.'

Water is heated up in the body therefore uses calories as it passes through the body. Why then are the government going to start charging for it when it is the ultimate weightloss tool?

westendgirlie · 02-10-2011 03:48PM

They can feck off with another stupid tax. Don't believe for a minute it is for the purpose of combating obesity. It's just another money making scam!

Tayla · 02-10-2011 03:59PM

Personally I agree with this tax, not for the revenue it will create but for health reasons. Fizzy drinks are one of the worst things you can consume and yet so many people do so on a daily basis.

It is crazy how many adults in Ireland are actually addicted to Coca Cola, I realise that this tax isn't going to stop them from buying it but it's a big issue in this country.

I used to smoke and I was charged an absolute fortune in tax, I don't anymore so I don't have to pay the tax, I drink fizzy drinks only if i'm at the cinema.

The government say it's a step to tackle obesity....great but their next step should be to completely revise the food pyramid because it is completely wrong.

Duke Leonal Felmet · 02-10-2011 04:01PM

FinnLizzy wrote: »

From an economic point of view: Anyone fancy going to Enniskillen and Newry to get our sweets?

UK are looking into the same thing.

Temptamperu · 02-10-2011 04:02PM

But I like Coca Cola

4leto · 02-10-2011 04:03PM

Brilliant idea

I hardly eat sugary things, so let the fay cats pay this tax'

kowloon · 02-10-2011 04:04PM

A little less government interference in people's lives would be nice. You should be allowed to choose what you eat when your mammy stops making the decisions for you.
James Reilly isn't exactly on the slim side himself.
If lard-ass knows what's best why isn't he leading by example?

Tayla · 02-10-2011 04:06PM

kowloon wrote: »

A little less government interference in people's lives would be nice. You should be allowed to choose what you eat when your mammy stops making the decisions for you.
James Reilly isn't exactly on the slim side himself.
If lard-ass knows what's best why isn't he leading by example?

So do you think the tax on cigarettes should be reduced too?

4leto · 02-10-2011 04:09PM

I don't mind revenue generating taxes on things we can control.

The truth is we eat to much of this shyte, so if you want to pay less taxes on "sugar" eat less of these types of food.

phasers · 02-10-2011 04:10PM

syklops wrote: »

Im in the same boat. Used to drink a lot of coke, cutting it back now, but in the vending machine in work, a bottle of coke cost the same as a bottle of water. Thats wrong.

Well then the price of healthy food should be lowered! You don't think it's strange that you have to pay so much money for something you get for free from the ground?

Honestly, the backwards thinking in this country astounds me.

Shops need to start looking into still lemonade to avoid this tax. I freakin' love still lemonade.

FinnLizzy · 02-10-2011 04:10PM

Dionysus wrote: »

What would you call it? I don't like using Daily Mail-like buzz words but this is the definition of 'Nanny state' politics.

FinnLizzy · 02-10-2011 04:15PM

Tayla wrote: »

So do you think the tax on cigarettes should be reduced too?

Fúck yeah. I don't care about what they do with cigarettes. As long as tobacco costs me 4.30, or less, a week for me, then I'm sound.

busyliving · 02-10-2011 04:18PM

UDP wrote: »

Done and Done

Sorry mate didn't realise it had been done

Tayla · 02-10-2011 04:20PM

FinnLizzy wrote: »

Fúck yeah. I don't care about what they do with cigarettes. As long as tobacco costs me 4.30, or less, a week for me, then I'm sound.

I gave up cigarettes myself and use the electronic ones now, I bought a small packet of tobacco around a month ago and roll one every now and then but that's about it, I know loads of people who smoke tobacco now instead of cigarettes and I have a bad feeling that the government will start to increase the tax on loose tobacco drastically. There's always rumours that they're going to ban e cigarettes on the pretence that they're dangerous, yea right they just make no money from them.

syklops · 02-10-2011 04:25PM

phasers wrote: »

Well then the price of healthy food should be lowered! You don't think it's strange that you have to pay so much money for something you get for free from the ground?

Honestly, the backwards thinking in this country astounds me.

Shops need to start looking into still lemonade to avoid this tax. I freakin' love still lemonade.

Still lemonade still has sugar in it. Its not a tax on fizziness. Do you know how much sugar it takes to make lemons taste sweet?

As for the "government taxing stuff that comes out of the ground argument, all I can do is :rolleyes:

It costs money to get it out of the ground and bring it to your tap, and to make sure it is clean. My parents in Galway have been buying water for years because what comes from the tap cannot be trusted not to make them very sick.

alchemist33 · 02-10-2011 04:28PM

syklops wrote: »

Im in the same boat. Used to drink a lot of coke, cutting it back now, but in the vending machine in work, a bottle of coke cost the same as a bottle of water. Thats wrong.

I'd suggest using a tap.

edit: unless you're in Galway, of course.

ejmaztec · 02-10-2011 04:31PM

With the price of sugar being at all time high in the shops, the government won't have to have a sugar tax to persuade people to lay off the sugary stuff, but they'll do it anyway, because that's what Irish money-grabbing governments do best, whatever their politics.

syklops · 02-10-2011 04:34PM

alchemist33 wrote: »

I'd suggest using a tap.

edit: unless you're in Galway, of course.

See my point above.

Also, the job I was referring to was in a Datacentre. For some reason DC water tastes awful. Universal fact.

mikom · 02-10-2011 04:40PM

Money racket.
Trust in government -10 points.

amacachi · 02-10-2011 05:10PM

I assume the people putting this proposal together will account for the fact that the "fizz" isn't the bad thing?

Proposed sugar tax: Nanny state to the rescue

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