Stephen Cluxton

walshb · 23-09-2011 10:30PM

If he is so private etc, then maybe he shouldn't be playing a team sport in Croke Park. He has a responsibility to his team, his county, and the many fans who pay to watch the game.

As for showing class? Snubbing thousands of fans is showing class?

copacetic · 23-09-2011 10:38PM

walshb wrote: »

If he is so private etc, then maybe he shouldn't be playing a team sport in Croke Park. He has a responsibility to his team, his county, and the many fans who pay to watch the game.

As for showing class? Snubbing thousands of fans is showing class?

Jebus, Is there anything some people couldnt whinge and moan about

His responsibility to the team and to fans like myself who paid to watch him is to play the game to the best of his ability, to train nearly every day of the year, to arrive early and leave late to practises his frees while still holding down a job.

To say he shouldn't be on the pitch because you don't like what he does when the game is over is idiotic in the extreme. Any actual fan in fact any one with the slightest sense of perspective would realise this.

kmart6 · 23-09-2011 10:39PM

walshb wrote: »

If he is so private etc, then maybe he shouldn't be playing a team sport in Croke Park. He has a responsibility to his team, his county, and the many fans who pay to watch the game.

As for showing class? Snubbing thousands of fans is showing class?

What responsibility does he have?! Is he getting paid thousands a week to go out and play in front of those people?....no!

He get's a bit of gear during the year, meals here and there, and a team holiday! So what does he owe to anybody?!

He has a family to look after and a job to maintain! All the supporters should be happy enough that they had him last Sunday....that's all he has to give them...shouldn't be expected to give anything else!

S. Goodspeed · 23-09-2011 10:44PM

walshb wrote: »

If he is so private etc, then maybe he shouldn't be playing a team sport in Croke Park. He has a responsibility to his team, his county, and the many fans who pay to watch the game.

As for showing class? Snubbing thousands of fans is showing class?

His responsibility to the team is to keep the goals out, find team mates on kick outs and stick over free kicks. Anything else is secondary if not irrelevant. Ask the Dublin fans what they would prefer, a shy match winner or a publicity mad loser.

On a side note I think time should be added on for the time it takes him to stroll up the pitch whenever there's a free to be taken. Kerry were prevented one last scoring chance because of it.

walshb · 23-09-2011 10:50PM

S. Goodspeed wrote: »

His responsibility to the team is to keep the goals out, find team mates on kick outs and stick over free kicks. Anything else is secondary if not irrelevant. Ask the Dublin fans what they would prefer, a shy match winner or a publicity mad loser.

On a side note I think time should be added on for the time it takes him to stroll up the pitch whenever there's a free to be taken. Kerry were prevented one last scoring chance because of it.

Who said he should be mad for publicity?

walshb · 23-09-2011 10:52PM

copacetic wrote: »

Jebus, Is there anything some people couldnt whinge and moan about

His responsibility to the team and to fans like myself who paid to watch him is to play the game to the best of his ability, to train nearly every day of the year, to arrive early and leave late to practises his frees while still holding down a job.

To say he shouldn't be on the pitch because you don't like what he does when the game is over is idiotic in the extreme. Any actual fan in fact any one with the slightest sense of perspective would realise this.

I am not moaning, just a view, that is all.

walshb · 23-09-2011 10:54PM

Le King wrote: »

Respect to Cluxton.

For what? Kicking the winning point, or for ****ing off and snubbing the fans and his team?

Samich · 23-09-2011 11:16PM

Didn't he get banned from the GAA for like 6 months and played soccer with Saint Pats?

late · 23-09-2011 11:40PM

walshb wrote: »

For what? Kicking the winning point, or for ****ing off and snubbing the fans and his team?

Is is not good enough o have given 10 years to the Dublin cause which involves giving up 90% or all of his free time. Training on cold winter nights being in the best physical shape and focus for each match.
With all the time and effort he has put in day in day out training you still are not satisfied. Surly then anything else should be optional for him and and player.

traecy1 · 24-09-2011 12:18AM

Like most people have said, it's refreshing to see a sports player who just does his job on the pitch and doesn't make a fuss about it. Sports fans should only be interested in what goes on on the pitch, the rest of the stuff is irrelevant.

JacksonHeightsOwn · 24-09-2011 12:55AM

a friend of mine works for the GAA

he was saying Cluxton puked up straight after the final whistle, so thats why he left the field

walshb · 24-09-2011 01:00PM

late wrote: »

Is is not good enough o have given 10 years to the Dublin cause which involves giving up 90% or all of his free time. Training on cold winter nights being in the best physical shape and focus for each match.
With all the time and effort he has put in day in day out training you still are not satisfied. Surly then anything else should be optional for him and and player.

Nobody is disputing his service to the county. He did nothing illegal. But, some things one just does, even if they don't like them, they do them. It's part of life. All the other lads stayed to show their appreciation to the men, women and children who come day in and day out to watch them, and god only knows how many dud games they have given them. They then win the big one, and ONE player ****s off? C'mon, odd to say the least. Just not a very likable or sociabe guy is all that can be taken from it. Again, he did nothing illegal. But, it doesn't at all paint him in a good lght for me.

themandan6611 · 24-09-2011 01:17PM

walshb wrote: »

Nobody is disputing his service to the county. He did nothing illegal. But, some things one just does, even if they don't like them, they do them. It's part of life. All the other lads stayed to show their appreciation to the men, women and children who come day in and day out to watch them, and god only knows how many dud games they have given them. They then win the big one, and ONE player ****s off? C'mon, odd to say the least. Just not a very likable or sociabe guy is all that can be taken from it. Again, he did nothing illegal. But, it doesn't at all paint him in a good lght for me.

I'm sure he'll have sleepless nights worrying what you think. You are bringing your usual whining from the boxing forum into the gaa one now.

Not sure what your problem is, his only responsibility is to play his best which he did and has done for years. He does it for no pay and has given fans some fantastic memories down the years - he is without question the best goalkeeper of his generation if not all time.

Its the fans who should appreciate him and all the players who gave up their lives each year from Jan - Aug / Sept - they own the fans nothing.

Profiler · 24-09-2011 01:31PM

walshb wrote: »

ONE player ****s off? C'mon, odd to say the least.

He didn't "**** off" your classification of what he did seems desperate to attach some less than complementary attributes to Cluxton.

walshb wrote: »

Just not a very likable or sociable guy is all that can be taken from it"

All you can take from it maybe and it seems all that you want to take from this is negative.

walshb wrote: »

"But, it doesn't at all paint him in a good lght

Clearly in your eyes the depiction could, should and must be in a bad light.

The saying "we see things not as they are but as we are" applies here.

I saw nothing negative about it and I know of no Dublin man woman or child who has had anything negative to say about Cluxton, nobody I know or have heard of has said anything but how grateful they were to his contribution.

plasmaguy · 24-09-2011 04:30PM

This thread is getting both laughable and pointless.

Ask yourself, would you rather have a player who kicks the winning point but doesn't bother with the celebrations and the hype and the dancing on the field, or a player who had a poor game, but is celebrating like crazy after the game?

There seems to be a lot of johny come latelys to the GAA forum in the last few weeks, who nitpick everything, know nothing about certain players, and who think GAA players should behave like overpaid soccer players or something.

I suppose they'd prefer to see Cluxton falling out of Copper's at 3am most nights, just so they know he's enjoying the victory.

bruschi · 24-09-2011 04:37PM

walshb wrote: »

Nobody is disputing his service to the county. He did nothing illegal. But, some things one just does, even if they don't like them, they do them. It's part of life. All the other lads stayed to show their appreciation to the men, women and children who come day in and day out to watch them, and god only knows how many dud games they have given them. They then win the big one, and ONE player ****s off? C'mon, odd to say the least. Just not a very likable or sociabe guy is all that can be taken from it. Again, he did nothing illegal. But, it doesn't at all paint him in a good lght for me.

agree here. I could see Dublin people in the crowd after wondering

"where is Stephen? Why isnt he out there. I cant celebrate because he ****ed off to the dressing room. This sucks. Even tough we won the All Ireland final for the first time in 16 years, I cant enjoy it because I cant see the man who kicked the winning point thanking me for my support. I'm off to the pub to cry into my pint. This win is tarnished now. Give Kerry the cup"

or something like that. :rolleyes:

plasmaguy · 24-09-2011 04:37PM

Profiler wrote: »

He didn't "**** off" your classification of what he did seems desperate to attach some less than complementary attributes to Cluxton.

All you can take from it maybe and it seems all that you want to take from this is negative.

Clearly in your eyes the depiction could, should and must be in a bad light.

The saying "we see things not as they are but as we are" applies here.

I saw nothing negative about it and I know of no Dublin man woman or child who has had anything negative to say about Cluxton, nobody I know or have heard of has said anything but how grateful they were to his contribution.

I agree.

I'm not from Dublin and was mostly a neutral for the final.

But, the amount of attempts to distract and discredit the Dublin win is getting to be silly at this stage, and there is a strong anti Dublin bias out there, although in other quarters there is a pro Dublin bias.

I'm surprised some people aren't talking about putting an asterix beside the Dublin win in the record books or something.

I saw no problem with most of the ref's decisions during the game, and for example Donaghy was as guilty as anyone for timewasting with his playacting and throwing himself to the ground every time someone bumped into him, while at the same time he was throwing off the ball elbows and shoulders around like confetti.

Think people need to let it go and stop their nitpicking and whinging. Games are won and lost on the field, what goes on in the celebrations is irrelevant.

walshb · 24-09-2011 07:39PM

themandan6611 wrote: »

I'm sure he'll have sleepless nights worrying what you think. You are bringing your usual whining from the boxing forum into the gaa one now.

Not sure what your problem is, his only responsibility is to play his best which he did and has done for years. He does it for no pay and has given fans some fantastic memories down the years - he is without question the best goalkeeper of his generation if not all time.

Its the fans who should appreciate him and all the players who gave up their lives each year from Jan - Aug / Sept - they own the fans nothing.

The only whingeing seems to be from your post. You disagree with mine, no big deal.

I have no problem. Just thought I'd post in a thread. That a problem, now?:rolleyes:

He is a very good player ad has done great things. I just thought it was a bit of a snub to behave the way he did after the game finished. Never said he was a bad guy, or anything like it. Just a bit aloof, at a time when maybe he should have not been.

I did mention the word unlkable; I take that back. Aloof is a more apt word.

I guess I expect a litle more from our sports stars towards the fans and the public. If any other star acted the same I would have the same view.

If Kenny Egan pissed off to the dressing room after the silver medal I would be disappointed too. Is that whingeing? Maybe, get over it!

And, to others, what is all this nonsense talk about falling out of Coppers, or jumping around after losing?

That has nothing to do with it. All I would expect is some interaction with his team after the whistle, and the fans
after the whistle. Who's saying he should be falling out of coppers to keep us happy?

Anyway, no matter what way you look at it, or try to excuse it, it is a bit odd the way he behaved.
But, I guess there is no crime in being odd.

walshb · 24-09-2011 07:43PM

bruschi wrote: »

agree here. I could see Dublin people in the crowd after wondering

"where is Stephen? Why isnt he out there. I cant celebrate because he ****ed off to the dressing room. This sucks. Even tough we won the All Ireland final for the first time in 16 years, I cant enjoy it because I cant see the man who kicked the winning point thanking me for my support. I'm off to the pub to cry into my pint. This win is tarnished now. Give Kerry the cup"

or something like that. :rolleyes:

Who says you can't enjoy the win because ONE guy chooses to snub his fans?

bruschi · 24-09-2011 07:55PM

walshb wrote: »

Who says you can't enjoy the win because ONE guy chooses to snub his fans?

exactly. who cares? its a complete non issue. and he didnt exactly snub his fans. he just did what he wanted after kicking the winning point in an AI final. he can do whatever the hell he wants in my opinion.

walshb · 24-09-2011 08:00PM

bruschi wrote: »

exactly. who cares? its a complete non issue. and he didnt exactly snub his fans. he just did what he wanted after kicking the winning point in an AI final. he can do whatever the hell he wants in my opinion.

Well, the thread was opened, and many responded. So, some people care.

You don't, that is okay. I don't care either what he does. It doesn't affect me. I just think it was a bit aloof, and not the done thing, that is all.

I posted an opinion on what he did aftre the game, as a non fan. I mean, I would watch them play, but would not be a real fan. If I was, maybe then I would feel stronger.

Fitzerb · 24-09-2011 08:47PM

walshb wrote: »

Nobody is disputing his service to the county. He did nothing illegal. But, some things one just does, even if they don't like them, they do them. It's part of life. All the other lads stayed to show their appreciation to the men, women and children who come day in and day out to watch them, and god only knows how many dud games they have given them. They then win the big one, and ONE player ****s off? C'mon, odd to say the least. Just not a very likable or sociabe guy is all that can be taken from it. Again, he did nothing illegal. But, it doesn't at all paint him in a good lght for me.

I take it you are not "one of the men, women and children who come day in and day out to watch them".
Dubs understand him, he is not a sheep for the media and when he was sent off against Armagh a few years back he was crucified and called a liability to the team by the same press who now want him for photo ops. He has no responsibility to the fans, we don't pay his wages and we don't own him and his only responsibility is to give of his best efforts to Dublin. He has done that and the Dublin fans will forever respect him. If you really want to celebrate with him why not drop out to Clontarf at 5:30am when they start back training.

Just as a matter of interest Bastick and Casey waited until every kid in this picture had their photo taken with Sam. Bernard Brogan also came along. It was in Lucan today. What a commitment to the development of the game for players who don't receive a cent. I salute them and I am really proud of all the players.

A Primal Nut · 25-09-2011 03:51PM

walshb wrote: »

Anyway, no matter what way you look at it, or try to excuse it, it is a bit odd the way he behaved.
But, I guess there is no crime in being odd.

There is nothing weird about being introverted. For some reason in modern society introverts are looked down as weird, unsociable, bullied at school, etc. It's all nonsense. Introverts just behave in different ways than extroverts. Its' not weird. It's just different to you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraversion_and_introversion

Kerrydude1981 · 25-09-2011 08:59PM

Stephen Cluxton is the best goalie ive seen play,great player and a class act,he reminds of the great Maurice Fitz,comes across as an extremely quiet guy who is happy to let others take the limelight while he is happy in background and happy with a job well done.

bryaner · 25-09-2011 10:14PM

walshb wrote: »

Nobody is disputing his service to the county. He did nothing illegal. But, some things one just does, even if they don't like them, they do them. It's part of life. All the other lads stayed to show their appreciation to the men, women and children who come day in and day out to watch them, and god only knows how many dud games they have given them. They then win the big one, and ONE player ****s off? C'mon, odd to say the least. Just not a very likable or sociabe guy is all that can be taken from it. Again, he did nothing illegal. But, it doesn't at all paint him in a good lght for me.

Sorry man but your talking pure ****e, Cluxton can do what he wants end of..

late · 25-09-2011 10:39PM

walshb wrote: »

Nobody is disputing his service to the county. He did nothing illegal. But, some things one just does, even if they don't like them, they do them. It's part of life. All the other lads stayed to show their appreciation to the men, women and children who come day in and day out to watch them, and god only knows how many dud games they have given them. They then win the big one, and ONE player ****s off? C'mon, odd to say the least. Just not a very likable or sociabe guy is all that can be taken from it. Again, he did nothing illegal. But, it doesn't at all paint him in a good lght for me.

I am not from Dublin and don't know the guy other than see him play and what a great player he is. Now I take it you don't know the guy either, it then amazes me how you can make such disparaging remarks about him. I read the following in the Independent on Saturday:
"At the final whistle, by his own standards, he went wild. But just for a moment or two.
He jumped into the air, punched his fist, hugged a ball boy before casually picking up his stuff from the goal. He walked out to meet his teammates, and then shook hands with all the Kerry players.
And that was it. There were no quotes for the media from the star of the show."
This don't portray a guy like what you are trying to portray. He is a quite guy who does his job excellently so why go looking for negatives.

GopErthike · 25-09-2011 10:53PM

late wrote: »

I am not from Dublin and don't know the guy other than see him play and what a great player he is. Now I take it you don't know the guy either, it then amazes me how you can make such disparaging remarks about him. I read the following in the Independent on Saturday:
"At the final whistle, by his own standards, he went wild. But just for a moment or two.
He jumped into the air, punched his fist, hugged a ball boy before casually picking up his stuff from the goal. He walked out to meet his teammates, and then shook hands with all the Kerry players.
And that was it. There were no quotes for the media from the star of the show."
This don't portray a guy like what you are trying to portray. He is a quite guy who does his job excellently so why go looking for negatives.

CASE CLOSED.

Well done Stephen.

hisholinessnb · 26-09-2011 01:45PM

plasmaguy wrote: »

This thread is getting both laughable and pointless.

Ask yourself, would you rather have a player who kicks the winning point but doesn't bother with the celebrations and the hype and the dancing on the field, or a player who had a poor game, but is celebrating like crazy after the game?

There seems to be a lot of johny come latelys to the GAA forum in the last few weeks, who nitpick everything, know nothing about certain players, and who think GAA players should behave like overpaid soccer players or something.

I suppose they'd prefer to see Cluxton falling out of Copper's at 3am most nights, just so they know he's enjoying the victory.

Excellent post.

rebel girl 15 · 26-09-2011 03:36PM

walshb wrote: »

I guess I expect a litle more from our sports stars towards the fans and the public. If any other star acted the same I would have the same view.

If Kenny Egan pissed off to the dressing room after the silver medal I would be disappointed too. Is that whingeing? Maybe, get over it!

FFS, just read through your posts, they are a pure and utter joke!

Cluxton went out and did what he had to do on the day. he went out and performed to the best of his ability, and yet you whinge about him walking off the pitch. The man can do whatever he wants after a game!

As for expecting a little more, remember he is not paid to do his job there - its like you are talking about a soccer player here, he has no duty to the Dublin of fans to do anything!! Its not all about celebrating with the so called fans, its about each individual on the team and whatever way they want to celebrate, then they do so, be it on their own and then with team mates in the dressing room, with the guys that he has trained hard with all year, a team that have taken some serious attacks by so called supporters over the years. What Cluxton has done for charity is outstanding, I've seen pictures of him being involved in Special Olympics fundraisers, if more professional players took a leaf out of his book. we'd be in a much better state.

It is sickening to see people attack a genuine fella for such a small thing, grow up and get over it. He owes nobody nothing!

RGDATA! · 26-09-2011 03:39PM

walshb wrote: »

I guess I expect a litle more from our sports stars towards the fans and the public.

why?

walshb wrote: »

All I would expect is some interaction with his team after the whistle, and the fans
after the whistle.

why? why do you expect/feel entitled to it?

Stephen Cluxton

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