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Scientists have surpassed the speed of light!

  • 22-09-2011 08:42PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 855 ✭✭✭joshrogan


    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_BREAKING_LIGHT_SPEED?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
    GENEVA (AP) -- A fundamental pillar of physics - that nothing can go faster than the speed of light - appears to be smashed by an oddball subatomic particle that has apparently made a giant end run around Albert Einstein's theories.
    Scientists at the world's largest physics lab said Thursday they have clocked neutrinos traveling faster than light. That's something that according to Einstein's 1905 special theory of relativity - the famous E (equals) mc2 equation - just doesn't happen.
    "The feeling that most people have is this can't be right, this can't be real," said James Gillies, a spokesman for the European Organization for Nuclear Research, or CERN, outside the Swiss city of Geneva.
    Gillies told The Associated Press that the readings have so astounded researchers that they are asking others to independently verify the measurements before claiming an actual discovery.
    "They are inviting the broader physics community to look at what they've done and really scrutinize it in great detail, and ideally for someone elsewhere in the world to repeat the measurements," he said Thursday.
    Scientists at the competing Fermilab in Chicago have promised to start such work immediately.
    "It's a shock," said Fermilab head theoretician Stephen Parke, who was not part of the research in Geneva. "It's going to cause us problems, no doubt about that - if it's true."
    The Chicago team had similar faster-than-light results in 2007, but those came with a giant margin of error that undercut its scientific significance.
    Outside scientists expressed skepticism at CERN's claim that the neutrinos - one of the strangest well-known particles in physics - were observed smashing past the cosmic speed barrier of 186,282 miles per second (299,792 kilometers per second).
    University of Maryland physics department chairman Drew Baden called it "a flying carpet," something that was too fantastic to be believable.
    CERN says a neutrino beam fired from a particle accelerator near Geneva to a lab 454 miles (730 kilometers) away in Italy traveled 60 nanoseconds faster than the speed of light. Scientists calculated the margin of error at just 10 nanoseconds, making the difference statistically significant. But given the enormous implications of the find, they still spent months checking and rechecking their results to make sure there was no flaws in the experiment.
    "We have not found any instrumental effect that could explain the result of the measurement," said Antonio Ereditato, a physicist at the University of Bern, Switzerland, who was involved in the experiment known as OPERA.
    The CERN researchers are now looking to the United States and Japan to confirm the results.
    A similar neutrino experiment at Fermilab near Chicago would be capable of running the tests, said Stavros Katsanevas, the deputy director of France's National Institute for Nuclear and Particle Physics Research. The institute collaborated with Italy's Gran Sasso National Laboratory for the experiment at CERN.
    Katsanevas said help could also come from the T2K experiment in Japan, though that is currently on hold after the country's devastating March 11 earthquake and tsunami.
    Scientists agree if the results are confirmed, that it would force a fundamental rethink of the laws of nature.
    Einstein's special relativity theory that says energy equals mass times the speed of light squared underlies "pretty much everything in modern physics," said John Ellis, a theoretical physicist at CERN who was not involved in the experiment. "It has worked perfectly up until now."
    He cautioned that the neutrino researchers would have to explain why similar results weren't detected before, such as when an exploding star - or supernova - was observed in 1987.
    "This would be such a sensational discovery if it were true that one has to treat it extremely carefully," said Ellis.
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    Time travel here we come :cool:


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Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,108 ✭✭✭RachaelVO


    Yay for time travel, maybe we can go back to before you started this thread :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,916 ✭✭✭✭orourkeda


    That einstein isnt so clever now is he?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,808 ✭✭✭Chris P. Bacon


    I have said it before and ill say it again,unless they invent hoverboards i dont care!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,351 ✭✭✭Orando Broom


    Cüntin Neuthrinos.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,190 ✭✭✭✭Latchy


    I can't wait for the Movie .


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,408 ✭✭✭Captain_Generic


    All I can picture is a scientist with a radar gun


  • Posts: 1,452 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Let's not sensationalise here please. Scientists have done a series of experiments, and their data show a very surprising result: that neutrino's were travelling faster than the speed of light. As a result they have published their data so that other scientists can examine them and see what's going on.

    If this is found to be true, it would turn general and special relativity upside down, and these are two very well tested theories.

    It is possible that this is due to some as of yet undiscovered experimental error.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,619 ✭✭✭fontanalis


    Were they driving a twin cam with one of those real cool No Fear stickers on it?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,000 ✭✭✭✭opinion guy


    I love paradigm shifts.

    I used to argue the LHC was a massive waste of money but damn it its worth it for how much its proving all the theories wrong:D


  • Posts: 31,828 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Usually when there are amazing results that defy the laws of physics, they find an error and when corrected produces a boring result.

    There was no back to the future moment here....


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,652 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Let's not sensationalise here please. Scintists have done a series of experiments, and their data show a very surprising result: that neutrino's were travelling faster than the speed of light. As a result they have published their data so that other scientists can examine them and see what's going on.

    If this is found to be true, it would turn general and special relativity upside down, and these are two very well tested theories.

    It is possible that this is due to some as of yet undiscovered experimental error.

    It's not an error.

    I've just gone forward to next week when the results are published!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,439 ✭✭✭Kevin Duffy


    I so hope this is true, just for the general advancement of science.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,916 ✭✭✭✭orourkeda


    I love paradigm shifts.

    I used to argue the LHC was a massive waste of money but damn it its worth it for how much its proving all the theories wrong:D

    I used to argue the KFC was a massive waste of money


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,652 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    I love paradigm shifts.

    I used to argue the LHC was a massive waste of money but damn it its worth it for how much its proving all the theories wrong:D

    I always thought that the LHC would succeed in serendipidously discovering something massive! I hope this is it!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,108 ✭✭✭RachaelVO


    Let's not sensationalise here please. Scientists have done a series of experiments, and their data show a very surprising result: that neutrino's were travelling faster than the speed of light. As a result they have published their data so that other scientists can examine them and see what's going on.

    If this is found to be true, it would turn general and special relativity upside down, and these are two very well tested theories.

    It is possible that this is due to some as of yet undiscovered experimental error.

    Bring the mood down why don't ya!!!! :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    I so hope this is true, just for the general advancement of science.

    and for the whole IBTL movement.


  • Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 23,257 Mod ✭✭✭✭GLaDOS


    Let's not sensationalise here please. Scientists have done a series of experiments, and their data show a very surprising result: that neutrino's were travelling faster than the speed of light. As a result they have published their data so that other scientists can examine them and see what's going on.

    If this is found to be true, it would turn general and special relativity upside down, and these are two very well tested theories.

    It is possible that this is due to some as of yet undiscovered experimental error.
    Quite true, but still very exciting. I look forward to seeing if the results can be replicated.

    Cake, and grief counseling, will be available at the conclusion of the test



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,751 ✭✭✭Saila


    bah there was more wind that day :rolleyes:


    so instead of 10 nano seconds it was 50, slightly faster


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,916 ✭✭✭✭orourkeda


    I so hope this is true, just for the general advancement of science.

    How will it advance science. If I understand it correctly (which I dont) then this will disprove the entire basis of modern phsics as stated in the article.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,163 ✭✭✭smk89


    "Scientists break the speed of light by holding a torch and running forward."
    Link


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,652 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    orourkeda wrote: »
    How will it advance science. If I understand it correctly (which I dont) then this will disprove the entire basis of modern phsics as stated in the article.

    Which will show that the current models were all wrong and we will have to work towards discovering the actual true model.

    I'd have thought that was obvious? :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,299 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    joshrogan wrote: »
    Scientists have surpassed the speed of light!

    That was quick. :p


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,439 ✭✭✭Kevin Duffy


    orourkeda wrote: »
    How will it advance science. If I understand it correctly (which I dont) then this will disprove the entire basis of modern phsics as stated in the article.

    Which would be a massive advance. Any new knowledge, any further learning, anything which eliminates something which was wrong even if it doesn't tell us what is right, is a step forward. We may have to reassess all the physics so far, but that's how we move forward.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,351 ✭✭✭Orando Broom


    They saved the announcement for Arthur's Day too!

    Another reason to celebrate!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,408 ✭✭✭Captain_Generic


    orourkeda wrote: »
    I used to argue the KFC was a massive waste of money

    If science can prove anything, its that fried chicken is never a waste of money


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,262 ✭✭✭✭Joey the lips


    1.21 gigawhatts.....Great scott.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,369 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    orourkeda wrote: »
    That einstein isnt so clever now is he?

    He was certainly no Einstein.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,652 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    orourkeda wrote: »
    That einstein isnt so clever now is he?

    E = mc PWND!!!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭sideswipe


    Cool, i've been waiting for this to solve all my problems. I shall go back in time and tell everybody that the property market is a big bubble waiting to burst..........oh wait Bertie will probably still tell me to go a commit suicide, ah well I shall buy gold sell bank shares and not draw down on my mortgage for my 600,000 euro house that is now worth about 300,000. God bless scientists, time travel and flux capacitors. see you all in 2005 I'll post when I get there.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,003 ✭✭✭CorkMan


    I say the US Government holds back any huge discovery in Science. If the US found something big in physics, why would they let China, Russia know? They could advance their military using the new discovery.


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