Eircom apprenticeship

evosteo wrote: »

madness

considering the interviews are in full swing and people are currently been told they havent made it to the interview stage

i feel eircom asked for the recruitment company to get them a certain type of person for the interview

but now that the interviews have started i think they feel the people that they have got them ,i feel they now think are too experienced or over qualified for the positions available and fear that a year or 2 or 3 down the road that if a better opportunity comes along that they will jump ship from eircom because the wage for the first 2 years is only 19k

btw does any1 know what the expected wage would be after the apprenticship and there after?

I agree that Eircom are probably disappointed with the candidates in the Interview stage, I believe the process up to that point was poor, I am educated to degree level in computer science, specialised in networking and telecommunications and worked for Eircoms largest competitor in Ireland for four years, 3 and a half as a team lead, in a similar role to what these apprentices would be doing. I was excluded after the assessment day stage as my team work was not considered good enough. I could see myself working in that role until retirement which is over 40 years away, I have knowledge and proven experience in the area and have proven myself as team player in the previous role.

They don't seem to realise that working in a technical team with technical people requires a different approach to working with non-technical people, on the day I was there everyone was basically talking over trying to be heard, that's not good teamwork, in a technical team that will create conflict I know this from experience, yet the people who spoke loudest seem to have been rewarded, on the day I said less than most and mostly only spoke when I felt the group was going off the point on getting bogged down, so I only made about 10-12 contributions.

Also as evosteo said above a lot of people are just using this as a stopgap to find something better, I have two acquaintances who are doing this, they both have absolutely zero interest in the job or working in the industry and just see it as a wage and a job they won't have to make any effort in until something better comes along, one of them plans on going to college in the evenings and sees it as a way to fund that without having the stress of a job he cares about, both of these people got through to the formal interview stage so yes Eircom are not getting the right candidates from the recruitment company. In contrast I would consider it to be my dream job.

Mark Murphy wrote: »

I wouldn't agree on Eircom not being happy because at the assesment there was people there from Eircom.. they guy that interviewed me said he works with Ian..

Regardless all you can do is your best and hope you're the right candidate.. I think your friends that are using this as an easy wage are pretty lousy man, possibly taking a chance away from somebody that genuinely wants a career..

I agree they are lousy for taking a place on somebody else, I also agree on giving your best shot, this is what I done and if they don't deem me good enough fair enough but as someone who is somewhat of an expert in the area I think they maybe used the wrong metrics to screen people.

The guy that interviewed you works with Ian, Ian does not work for Eircom but for the recruitment company, this means even at the formal interview stage there is someone from an external company present, that is unusual.

eircoms HR conducted the formal interviews

and at the assesment stage, there was some people from eircom present, just for the presntation and Q and A, but they were not involved in the interviewing/team work/selection process

as was already stated, that nice chap ian does not work directly for eircom

I agree with what you have said too knotknowbody, i dont think they know who they want themselves and are afraid to make a decision now because of the cost that has been involved in the recruitmant process and the fear of hiring the wrong people

knotknowbody wrote: »

I agree that Eircom are probably disappointed with the candidates in the Interview stage, I believe the process up to that point was poor, I am educated to degree level in computer science, specialised in networking and telecommunications and worked for Eircoms largest competitor in Ireland for four years, 3 and a half as a team lead, in a similar role to what these apprentices would be doing. I was excluded after the assessment day stage as my team work was not considered good enough. I could see myself working in that role until retirement which is over 40 years away, I have knowledge and proven experience in the area and have proven myself as team player in the previous role.

They don't seem to realise that working in a technical team with technical people requires a different approach to working with non-technical people, on the day I was there everyone was basically talking over trying to be heard, that's not good teamwork, in a technical team that will create conflict I know this from experience, yet the people who spoke loudest seem to have been rewarded, on the day I said less than most and mostly only spoke when I felt the group was going off the point on getting bogged down, so I only made about 10-12 contributions.

Also as evosteo said above a lot of people are just using this as a stopgap to find something better, I have two acquaintances who are doing this, they both have absolutely zero interest in the job or working in the industry and just see it as a wage and a job they won't have to make any effort in until something better comes along, one of them plans on going to college in the evenings and sees it as a way to fund that without having the stress of a job he cares about, both of these people got through to the formal interview stage so yes Eircom are not getting the right candidates from the recruitment company. In contrast I would consider it to be my dream job.

Please don't get the wrong idea I am only asking in reference to your frustration but you say you worked for eircom's main competitor for several years. Not that it is any of my business why you don't now but would you not think eircom see this as an issue of commitment etc??

I have done the formal interview and to say eircom are disappointed with the candidates in the Interview stage is absurd.

higgs23 wrote: »

Please don't get the wrong idea I am only asking in reference to your frustration but you say you worked for eircom's main competitor for several years. Not that it is any of my business why you don't now but would you not think eircom see this as an issue of commitment etc??

I have done the formal interview and to say eircom are disappointed with the candidates in the Interview stage is absurd.

The reasons for me leaving the other company are easily explainable and I have no doubt they would be acceptable to Eircom, as I made it to the assessment centre stage I don't believe it was an issue, if it was an issue they could have asked about it at any time, I will never know if it was an issue for Eircom as I never got to speak in detail to anyone directly employed by Eircom. I think the fact that someone with my skills and experience is excluded without even meeting Eircom in a formal way shows that there is a failing in the process.

As regards Eircom being disappointed, it is probably the wrong way to say it, disappointment imply's the candidates were lower quality which they most definitely were not but I suspect the candidate profile Eircom wanted and what they got was differed somewhat and they are now trying to remedy that.

Yeah asked for feedback and wasn't happy with the level of detail Ian provided, so he is ringing me back next week when he has more time to go over it in greater detail with me.

100-200

Guys dont be beating yourself up over it or wondering how many are left all will be revealed soon

As for the guy with all the experience that didnt get thru while guys he knows did make it , its possible they thought you were already qualified enough for a qualified position with them and as such thought it pointless you starting an apprenticeship lasting 2 years that would only bring you to a level similar to where you currently are

And as for the 2 that are looking upon it as a stop gap it wont take long to weed them out at the interview stage and then there is always the 6 month probationary period where if you are not up to scratch you are gone

There was also the fact that not every assessment was full some people dropped out for whatever reason so maybe those being called are to fill voids left by the others so they have an exact figure for doing interviews

They may have been tasked with gathering 150 of irelands finest and then they ended up being short and then had to drag out the assessments in order to fill the 150 places , the members of boards although varied and spread throughout ireland only make up a small percentage of those who applied so give them time and we will see what they do

And best of luck to those just called for assessment

10 mins until my interview cant wait

bit more detail on that focusowner??

Hope it went well for you, Did you find out any new info on when we'll hear back or how many they're interviewing altogether or when the interviews will finish

Hope it went well for you. Did they mention when the interviews would finish up? And when we would hear back?