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Stroke Count For a Scratch

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  • #32
    ernieprice
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 133 ✭✭ernieprice


    Here is the exact wording from "CONGU UNIFIED HANDICAPPING SYSTEM 2008-2011" book. As I have previously stated this book is available from your home club.




    19. STABLEFORD/NETT DOUBLE BOGEY ADJUSTMENT

    The purpose of the Stableford Adjustment is to place a limit on the maximum score that can be recorded at any hole in order to make handicaps more representative of a player's potential ability. This control is for handicap purposes only. It has been introduced to lessen the impact of the occasional 'bad ' score on players Stroke Play return and to reduce the incidence of 'No Returns' that can,on occasions,represent an undesirable proportion of the competition entry. It also allows a player who does not complete a hole,for any reason,to continue to record a score for handicap purposes, thus sustaining his golf interest and at the same time providing useful handicap information. It is important that competitors are made aware of the intent of this clause and encouraged to the advantage of it. The Stableford Adjustment should be applied to all Stroke Play Qualifying Scores irrespective of whether they are made at the Home Club or at another club. See Clause 8.10(a).


  • #33
    BigBoi83
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 84 ✭✭BigBoi83


    mr.mickels wrote: »
    Not really, it was your question which was misunderstood. By the rules of golf you can't have a scratch hole in strokeplay, if you scratch the hole you are not permitted to return a card.

    Yes my question was misunderstood and i thought i explained myself there and gave the appropriate aploigies for my not being clear....
    However if you read though the thread before and after my comments people are discussing the rules of golf scoring and all seem to have a different understanding of what the rules meant....

    So YES it seems not only beginners have issues with some aspects of golf


  • #34
    PhilipMarlowe
    Subscribers Posts: 4,419 ✭✭✭PhilipMarlowe


    People are getting confused, some with the rush to get in a 'smart' jibe perhaps...

    Under the "Rules" of golf (which is where you'd be directed to the R&A for guidance), you can't have a scratch in a strokeplay event and have a card to return. If you don't finish out a hole you don't have a score...
    Rule 3-2 deals with this: (Failure to Hole Out)
    If a competitor fails to hole out at any hole and does not correct his mistake before he makes a stroke on the next teeing ground or, in the case of the last hole of the round, before he leaves the putting green, he is disqualified.

    However, the R&A have precious little to say about handicapping (CONGU is where it's at) and it is for the interests of handicapping that you are "allowed" to return a card and the nett double bogey (stableford) adjustment is taken into account. This limits the effect of an 'uncharacteristic bad hole' or a hole with no score returned in a strokeplay event on your handicap. It still doesn't alter the fact that if you have a scratch in a strokeplay event, you're DQ'ed under the "rules".


  • #35
    mr.mickels
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 298 ✭✭mr.mickels


    Jul3s wrote: »
    Where you get this ****e from in the first place is anyones guess, but it takes a special talent not to enquire as to the validity of such claims (either from your rule book or the randa website) and it's even more special talent to then repeat it elsewhere as fact.

    And you are a special kind of twit. I was a scratch player in my mid-teens, played inter-county golf in UK for a number of years and played alongside some of todays pro players while they were in the amateur ranks, before I stopped playing golf 15 years ago. Unless the rules of the game have changed wildly (which we can assume they haven't) in stroke play a score must be returned at each hole, otherwise the card is void.

    Your attempts at being smart give you an unfavourable impression, as I said, a special kind of twit.


  • #36
    Corkblowin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 622 ✭✭✭Corkblowin


    mr.mickels wrote: »
    And you are a special kind of twit. I was a scratch player in my mid-teens, played inter-county golf in UK for a number of years and played alongside some of todays pro players while they were in the amateur ranks, before I stopped playing golf 15 years ago.

    It's sweet how you give your CV in every thread you post in :)


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  • #37
    mr.mickels
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 298 ✭✭mr.mickels


    Corkblowin wrote: »
    It's sweet how you give your CV in every thread you post in :)
    He asked where I "got this from", perhaps he had the idea I didn't play before.


  • #38
    Tones69
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,333 ✭✭✭Tones69


    Corkblowin wrote: »
    It's sweet how you give your CV in every thread you post in :)

    Quite an impressive CV to be fair though :)


  • #39
    Jul3s
    Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 550 ✭✭✭Jul3s


    mr.mickels wrote: »
    Not really, it was your question which was misunderstood. By the rules of golf you can't have a scratch hole in strokeplay, if you scratch the hole you are not permitted to return a card.
    mr.mickels wrote: »
    And you are a special kind of twit. I was a scratch player in my mid-teens, played inter-county golf in UK for a number of years and played alongside some of todays pro players while they were in the amateur ranks, before I stopped playing golf 15 years ago. Unless the rules of the game have changed wildly (which we can assume they haven't) in stroke play a score must be returned at each hole, otherwise the card is void.

    Your attempts at being smart give you an unfavourable impression, as I said, a special kind of twit.
    Impressive list of alleged achievements, which makes it even more amazing that none of your "friends" ever explained to you that you can be disqualified (for not completing a hole in stroke play) and still return a card.


  • #40
    GreeBo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,474 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Drop it or lose it lads, this is getting boring.


  • #41
    ernieprice
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 133 ✭✭ernieprice


    There are 2 different aspects to this article.
    (1) A score card returned in a STROKE play competition with no score recorded on 1 or more holes is classed as a no return (N/R) and allows a player to receive a .1 upward adjustment to his handicap.
    (2) Clause 19 allows for a players card to be adjusted to a 2 over nett score for handicap purposes for a bad hole. This can sometimes produce a reduction in handicap. A Player could have 17 good holes and 1 really bad hole with the result that his final score might not properly reflect his playing ability. This is the reason clause 19 was introduced.


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