Tesco Internship

mikemac · 16-09-2011 11:22PM

Labour Party TD for Dublin Mid West, Joanna Tuffy has urged businesses to participate in the National Internship scheme which was launched by Minister for Social Protection Joan Burton at the European headquarters of Facebook in Dublin today.

“JobBridge is aiming to provide 5,000 internship places to the unemployed over the next two years and participants will receive €50 per week in addition to their usual social welfare payments.

“It is part of the Governments wider 'Jobs Initiative' which will offer 20,900 education, training and work experience places for the unemployed as well as the 'Springboard' initiative which will provide 6,000 places on a range of 200 part-time courses.

“The scheme offers the unemployed an opportunity to upskill and retrain and in some cases it may lead to full employment. Public, private and voluntary organisations are welcome to participate and I would strongly encourage them to do so.

“The launch today was a great success and this initiative, along with the various other initiatives brought forward by Labour in Government will help us on our road to recovery”.

Joanna Tuffy, Labour TD June 2011

How much education, training and valuable work experience do you get from stacking shelves? :rolleyes:

Not to all politcal in AH but I thought the Labour Party would be the last to be involved in a shambles like this.
Seems they are as bad as the rest of them

Dangerous Man · 16-09-2011 11:23PM

Wertz wrote: »

I don't think anyone is shocked that Tesco are trying this on (ands they're probably not the only ones that are abusing what this should be about), they're shocked that the system is et up in such a way that low paid dead end jobs can fall under the definition of suitable "careers"...as I understand it, proper interships are about breaking in people who may want to work in a specialised industry or service that they have already studied towards but who lack hands on experience of...it's supposed to hone skills and show an employer that you might be suitable for a longterm role ...
No matter what Going Forward BS Tesco management come out with about this, it's plainly obvious that these roles are the anathema of what the scheme is supposed to entail...that they will probably get away with it doesn't reflect poorly on them but on the idiots who drew up the legislation and are tasked with it's oversight.

Everything you said is correct apart from the text highlighted. It does reflect badly on Tesco; this is exploitation - there is no other way of describing it. Just because we expect this behaviour from large corporations doesn't mean we should be any less outraged or sickened by it.

dark crystal · 16-09-2011 11:27PM

wild_cat wrote: »

So you see nothing wrong with a company that makes billions in profit every year getting free labour at the tax payers expense?

Any more than likely removing real paid jobs from the market?

Most companies make profits, Tesco are no different in that sense. Many companies take on interns and pay them sh!t all, if anything.

I've seen people lose jobs and lose confidence simply because they miss getting out of bed and doing nothing of any real value with their day like they used to. They go from dole payment to dole payment, applying for jobs, going on interviews, which yield nothing and their confidence shrinks with each rejection.

I'm coming from the angle that, yes, the scheme is flawed and Tesco will benefit from the increased workforce, but do you see no benefit for the person that has something to actually put down on that CV during a period where they would otherwise just be unemployed? People may scoff at the paltry €50 extra, but that can actually go a lot further than €0.

If you were an employer and one person had work experience and one had a complete gap in employment during the same period, whom would you be more inclined to call for the interview? It shows a certain work ethic above all else.

That's the main point I am making.

Wertz · 16-09-2011 11:28PM

dark crystal wrote: »

I have a different view on this - if you're unemployed, wouldn't it make more sense to fill your time gaining experience and having something to put on a CV, rather than just sitting at home and collecting your dole every week?

People on the scheme could still apply for other jobs in the meantime, but this way, at least you have something to add to your CV, instead of nothing at all (and an extra €50 into the bargain - not much, I accept, but better than nothing)

I understand where the exploitation aspect is coming into people's argument, but beyond the outrage, can anyone see any benefits to the scheme at all??

The only benefit here is for the company.
Anyone that would put a job like this on their CV is very desperate to fill it...if you're that desperate make sh*t up.

There was a time when you got a minimum hourly rate for work like this and the last thing you'd have done was put it in a CV...
Personally speaking if I was in the position of having to do this I'd sooner volunteer at a charity shop or something or go out picking spuds or sweeping the bloody streets...not making money for such a faceless corporation, whilst being laughed at and loathed by the other shelf stackers getting their hourly wage whilst worrying that you and your kind are eventually going to do them out of paid work.

dark crystal · 16-09-2011 11:28PM

mikemac wrote: »

How much education, training and valuable work experience do you get from stacking shelves? :rolleyes:

In fairness, more than you would get from doing nothing at all.

stupidusername · 16-09-2011 11:38PM

Do a search on FaceBook for jobbridge, there's three results.

wild_cat · 16-09-2011 11:38PM

dark crystal wrote: »

Most companies make profits, Tesco are no different in that sense. Many companies take on interns and pay them sh!t all, if anything.

I've seen people lose jobs and lose confidence simply because they miss getting out of bed and doing nothing of any real value with their day like they used to. They go from dole payment to dole payment, applying for jobs, going on interviews, which yield nothing and their confidence shrinks with each rejection.

I'm coming from the angle that, yes, the scheme is flawed and Tesco will benefit from the increased workforce, but do you see no benefit for the person that has something to actually put down on that CV during a period where they would otherwise just be unemployed? People may scoff at the paltry €50 extra, but that can actually go a lot further than €0.

If you were an employer and one person had work experience and one had a complete gap in employment during the same period, whom would you be more inclined to call for the interview? It shows a certain work ethic above all else.

That's the main point I am making.

Being of the political mind frame that I am... I wouldn't higher anyone who allowed them selves to be treated as a free whipping boy for big business.

Plus being a shelf stacker isn't really going to gain you any experience to get a decent job. If you're a science graduate you'll need experience in a scientific field not shelf stacking!

There's also proof that the whole scheme is removing jobs from the actual jobs market. Have a look in the mega thread about it, people have applied for "paid" jobs only to be told that they have now been entered into the jobs bridge scheme instead.... and they can apply through that if they wish.

How are people meant to get back into the real working and "real" wage environment if jobs that should have been entered into the private jobs market are being put on on jobs bridge?

Why should the company not pay anything towards it either? If they are getting free labour surely even a fiver extra a week would be of help?

I'm lucky enough that I've never been on the dole myself and I'd probably be over in Blanche throwing stuff at Burtons window at the moment if I was.

Sir Oxman · 17-09-2011 12:12AM

dark crystal wrote: »

I have a different view on this - if you're unemployed, wouldn't it make more sense to fill your time gaining experience and having something to put on a CV, rather than just sitting at home and collecting your dole every week?

People on the scheme could still apply for other jobs in the meantime, but this way, at least you have something to add to your CV, instead of nothing at all (and an extra €50 into the bargain - not much, I accept, but better than nothing)

I understand where the exploitation aspect is coming into people's argument, but beyond the outrage, can anyone see any benefits to the scheme at all??

This is actual job displacement though, despite denials by tesco, that is what it is.
The argument about school-leavers benefitting is rubbish - these are the exact jobs school-leavers used to get and get paid to boot.

The turnaround in thinking is crazy - now it's how lucky you are to be getting an extra 50e on the dole and the company gets free as in actual free labour.

And the pension raid a few months back is paying for this...meanwhile in Tescoland, 3.8billion pounds pre-tax profits are declared.

I'm sure I read all of this in a work of fiction once...

dlofnep · 17-09-2011 12:13AM

Warned you that this system would be abused, and that people would lose their jobs.

stmol32 · 17-09-2011 12:15AM

In a roundabout way, this could actually work out as a bonus for anyone working for minimum wage in Tescos.

I'm not trying to insult anyone working in the service industry in making this point so if I do I apologise.

The lower paid jobs in supermarkets like Tescos have always been justified because, according to Tescos and their ilk, anyone can do it. There is little skill involved and training needs are minimal. That's how they will pay people the least they can get away with. In fact the only reason they pay people the same low (minimum) wage is because the government have to make a law that says "this is the least I can possibly pay you, if I could I would"

Now that they want to take advantage of a scheme where people work for them but the taxpayer foots the bill (Sorry that sounds a bit irishindepentish). They justify this by saying "no, we are providing a skill.
People couldn't work for us if they hadn't gained "....skills such as rotation of stock, customer service skills, management of waste and damages, merchandising to plans routines”. (Their words from the OP)

Therefore if you are expecting the taxpayer to pay for your workers because they are learning a skill, then you need to pay those self same workers a better than minimum wage because of the skills they are now using.

or in other words f**k you Tescos you bunch of cockrings.

(P.S. I would like to add that the mythical beast "the taxpayer" also includes minimum wage workers. I would also wonder how much Tesco Inc. pays in tax to the Irish exchequer)

FlutterinBantam · 17-09-2011 12:23AM

mikemac wrote: »

How much education, training and valuable work experience do you get from stacking shelves? :rolleyes:

A... you soon understand that you need to come in,on time and other disciplines

b.. You learn to interact with other workers and see how a store is run

c.. You interact with customers ,and gain experience dealing with them

e.. You learn how to deal with your supervisors,and other people who are an integral part of the store.

f.. You learn how to differentiate between wasters and workers.

g.. You learn how to plan your time ,keep yourself clean and tidy and social discipline.

Or you could lie in bed sucking a spliff and whinge and bitch that you can't get a job

:rolleyes:

Millicent · 17-09-2011 12:24AM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

A... you soon understand that you need to come in,on time and other disciplines

b.. You learn to interact with other workers and see how a store is run

c.. You interact with customers ,and gain experience dealing with them

e.. You learn how to deal with your supervisors,and other people who are an integral part of the store.

f.. You learn how to differentiate between wasters and workers.

g.. You learn how to plan your time ,keep yourself clean and tidy and social discipline.

Or you could lie in bed sucking a spliff and whinge and bitch that you can't get a job

:rolleyes:

Another toilet post, Bantam? Sure smells like it.

Sir Oxman · 17-09-2011 12:25AM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

A... you soon understand that you need to come in,on time and other disciplines

b.. You learn to interact with other workers and see how a store is run

c.. You interact with customers ,and gain experience dealing with them

e.. You learn how to deal with your supervisors,and other people who are an integral part of the store.

f.. You learn how to differentiate between wasters and workers.

g.. You learn how to plan your time ,keep yourself clean and tidy and social discipline.

Or you could lie in bed sucking a spliff and whinge and bitch that you can't get a job

:rolleyes:

And do you believe that work for a commercial company should be compensated by fair payment?

Sir Oxman · 17-09-2011 12:26AM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

A... you soon understand that you need to come in,on time and other disciplines

b.. You learn to interact with other workers and see how a store is run

c.. You interact with customers ,and gain experience dealing with them

e.. You learn how to deal with your supervisors,and other people who are an integral part of the store.

f.. You learn how to differentiate between wasters and workers.

g.. You learn how to plan your time ,keep yourself clean and tidy and social discipline.

Or you could lie in bed sucking a spliff and whinge and bitch that you can't get a job

:rolleyes:

...and

h. you learn that being paid to work by the company benefitting from your toil is a thing of the past.

FlutterinBantam · 17-09-2011 12:27AM

gambiaman wrote: »

And do you believe that work for a commercial company should be compensated by fair payment?

I believe that a person without a job, would benefit from job experience whilst still retaining benefits.

Sir Oxman · 17-09-2011 12:29AM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

I believe that a person without a job, would benefit from job experience whilst still retaining benefits.

It was quite a straightforward question, anyhow...

FlutterinBantam · 17-09-2011 12:29AM

Millicent wrote: »

Another toilet post, Bantam? Sure smells like it.

Another negative and defeatist response Millicent, sure looks like it.

FlutterinBantam · 17-09-2011 12:30AM

gambiaman wrote: »

It was quite a straightforward question, anyhow...

Well then start a thread on it man...... this one is about Tesco Intrnshps last I heard bro.

Millicent · 17-09-2011 12:31AM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Another negative and defeatist response Millicent, sure looks like it.

Really? You sure have me pinned there. Well done.

I'm asking you in all seriousness here, and genuinely, I am interested in the answer, why do you think private enterprise is entitled to free labour for six to nine months? I can guarantee you that supermarket work does not require that length of time to train for or assimilate to.

Sir Oxman · 17-09-2011 12:32AM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Well then start a thread on it man...... this one is about Tesco Intrnshps last I heard bro.

*Facepalm*

FlutterinBantam · 17-09-2011 12:34AM

Millicent wrote: »

Really? You sure have me pinned there. Well done.

I'm asking you in all seriousness here, and genuinely, I am interested in the answer, why do you think private enterprise is entitled to free labour for six to nine months? I can guarantee you that supermarket work does not require that length of time to train for or assimilate to.

Of course you are twisting the whole argument totally away from the subject matter.

I am responding to the question of how work experience can help those unemployed to get employment.

I think it can, so like a good man, stop raising red herrings and concentrate of the subject matter.

M'kay.

Wertz · 17-09-2011 12:35AM

Fair points flutter (the ABCDEF stuff), but tbh most people learn those in the first jobs they get to do...that they get paid for doing...by the company/person/firm they're working for...
By the time I was sixteen I had most of those down...

At the very very least in these cases, the company should be making a top up payment to the point that an "internee" gets the same amount after their social welfare plus additional "wage" is paid, as someone who is doing the job for Tesco outright...but even at that I don't agree with such work coming under this scheme.

mikemac · 17-09-2011 12:37AM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

I think it can, so like a good man, stop raising red herrings and concentrate of the subject matter.

That'd be hard for a lady like Millicent

Millicent · 17-09-2011 12:41AM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Of course you are twisting the whole argument totally away from the subject matter.

I am responding to the question of how work experience can help those unemployed to get employment.

I think it can, so like a good man, stop raising red herrings and concentrate of the subject matter.

M'kay.

Yeah, that proves that you had me pinned -- right down to the gender.

How am I raising red herrings? It's a salient point. How do you think reducing entry level and unskilled roles will help the unemployed back to employment?

FlutterinBantam · 17-09-2011 12:44AM

Wertz wrote: »

Fair points flutter (the ABCDEF stuff), but tbh most people learn those in the first jobs they get to do...that they get paid for doing...by the company/person/firm they're working for...
By the time I was sixteen I had most of those down...

At the very very least in these cases, the company should be making a top up payment to the point that an "internee" gets the same amount after their social welfare plus additional "wage" is paid, as someone who is doing the job for Tesco outright...but even at that I don't agree with such work coming under this scheme.

Yes you have also good points there, however the situation I am addressing is that it WOULD benefit someone ,who otherwise spends all day doing nothing,at least get out into work place and see how things are done, interact with others and experience some social discipline.

The alternative is that Tesco don't take anybody on and it certainly should not prejudice full time or part time jobs there.

It's far from perfect but one has to start somewhere.

johnners2981 · 17-09-2011 12:45AM

This scheme was a joke at the start and still is, Joan Burton promised this sh*t wouldn't happen, seriously hiw stupid is she. Its happened from the start, I'd say most of job bridges internships could be found on jobs.ie or somewhere as a paid job before this scheme

Wertz · 17-09-2011 12:47AM

Further Mr Bantam, since you're usually the one worrying over misuse of your tax eurons, I'm a bit surprised that you'd then see fit to endorse their use to prop up private profits for this or any other company...if you want to start isntilling work ethic on the terminally jobless, how about through proper community work schemes where the workers give something back to the taxpayer and society in general rather than doing a menial and unchallenging work that only goes to line the pockets of private shareholders, many of whom reside beyond these shores...

johnners2981 · 17-09-2011 12:49AM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Yes you have also good points there, however the situation I am addressing is that it WOULD benefit someone ,who otherwise spends all day doing nothing,at least get out into work place and see how things are done, interact with others and experience some social discipline.

The alternative is that Tesco don't take anybody on and it certainly should not prejudice full time or part time jobs there.

It's far from perfect but one has to start somewhere.

Tesco were still employing people before this scheme, I doubt they will now. I wouldn't be surprised to see tesco employees getting they're hours reduced in favour of these interns

FlutterinBantam · 17-09-2011 12:49AM

What kind of community schemes did you have in mind?

Who would run them.?

Sir Oxman · 17-09-2011 12:53AM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Yes you have also good points there, however the situation I am addressing is that it WOULD benefit someone ,who otherwise spends all day doing nothing,at least get out into work place and see how things are done, interact with others and experience some social discipline.

The alternative is that Tesco don't take anybody on and it certainly should not prejudice full time or part time jobs there.

It's far from perfect but one has to start somewhere.

But that's the point - Tesco do traditionally take on part-time staff in the lead up to Christmas and the New Year, no need to if they can get 145 poor fcukers for no cost to them.

A 6 month shelf stacker 'internship' - really?

Tesco Internship

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