Are china going to take over the world?

4leto wrote: »

An excellent and interesting post China does have nationalism problems but there is a pan Chinese feeling so perhaps some regions may push for independence but not the Cantonese and the mandarin speaking regions which are the main industrial areas also the vast majority of Chinese so it would still be a very populace nation.

Oh sure the Han Chinese are the main drivers, but those pesky non Han are already causing waves beyond Bejing and watch that get larger. Then there is their "own people", the peasants, the ones left behind. The ones that were left behind before and that didn't go so well. When Mao said "A Single spark can start a prairie fire" he was specifically referring to these people.

Also I keep hearing this which I think is a kind or racism. Chinese may not have the big companies, brands or trade marks now. But they will, they are people just like us westerners they can be equally as creative and they can certainly learn from our business models.

Oh the people part I agree with, the culture behind the people, not so much. Maybe they will this time, but I'm doubtful. Classic example: In the early naughties one enterprising Chinese chap hit on the idea of getting his fellows from bikes to mopeds and to that end ripped off a Honda moped design. Actually called it Hondra or somesuch. OK well dodgy, but... So his little enterprise went pretty well locally. Then other bright sparks thought "aha!" and started up their own honda rip off and sold them. Pretty soon, within the year they were all selling at loss.

Incidently I am tapping this out on an Acer which is a piece of crap but a Chinese company

Well they're a Taiwanese company and Taiwan is quite different culturally.

also my runners are also a Chinese brand again crap but very cheap.

Crap but cheap kinda sums things up. And that's cool, but in my humble one of the fallouts from the current economic "difficulties" will be a return to not so crap, costs a little more, but lasts longer notions. Again in my humble I reckon we're on the brink of a couple of changes in that respect. Less buying into the blind consumer paradigm.

They recently built a stealth fighter from parts they back engineered from the downed bomber that was shot down in the old Yugoslavia.

Exactly. They didn't come up with it themselves. Hey that's cool, artists copy, great artists steal, but great artists make it better in the process. They failed on the latter. And that's just the stuff the yanks(and Russians) allow onto the open media. What you're publicly seeing now in US stealth tech is at least a decade behind of what they're working on/have flown. You may know of the Stealth F117, the one shot down in Yugoslavia? Well it first flew in 1977. It was a disco plane . It wasnt until over a decade later before they went public. So they've just back engineered(half arsedly too) a flying Saturday Nigh Fever glitterball.

They sent up there own rocket for a pittance

Easy to do when workers are so cheap.

The US new moon rocket Ares 1 cost 350 million Chinas Chang'e 1 cost 120 million They are targeting Mars by 2050.

They can target all they like. Ditto with a moon shot. Near earth orbit is by comparison a walk in the park(and they did it by ripping off the Russian tech). Think of it like paddling on the beach. A moonshot is like actually swimming beyond the surf. If they make a decent effort? Then I say fair play, but if they do, watch the US/Russians blast right by them. I'll put money on it. A mars shot? That's beyond swimming in the surf that's more like swimming the english channel.

And we can't compete with them they have no environmental costs or social costs, that can't go on but it doesn't look like its changing soon.

It's already causing serious problems and not just save the whale hippie problems, but problems with humans exposed to it.

Also they are turning out 1000s of graduates a year. These by western standard are not great graduates but its as Stalin said there is quality in quantity.

Only when it comes to tanks. Otherwise quality always trumps in the end. Including tanks. The Russians fcuked up the Germans in the 40's when it came to quantity. Which is the richer nation today?

I do fear them.

I don't. We've been here before. 17/18th century industrial types said similar and is the world Chinese today? No. It's "European" in flavour. We don't dress like Mandarins, they dress like western business men and drive western style cars and use western invented phones and PC's and watch and listen to western type media.

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Not so sure about China, but Porcelain is already everywhere. :pac:

yea and the porcelain(and silk) historical example is where you may be able to see the past make seeing the future more easily. The Chinese flooded the market with cheap porcelain. Hence we call the good stuff "china" to this day. Then the west thought "hang on the fuc..". Discovered how to do it and beat them at their own game, hence we also call ceramics "delph" to this day. From Delft in the Netherlands. Basically and historically we're better thieves. And innovators. All down to culture. They had printing before us(though it was actually developed by Koreans first), but when we got our hands on it it went batshít and global, because we had a simpler alphabet and competition from our neighbours. Ditto with gunpowder. The west went in and dominated China with the gunpowder they invented first.