Is David Norris Toast?

Happyman42 · 07-09-2011 03:26PM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

More people voted #1 for Brian Lenihan Snr. than for Mary Robinson, even after Lenihan was dismissed in disgrace from the Cabinet during the campaign!

Yes, lots and lots of people supported FF way back then, that don't now.

p.s. Mary Robinson won the election btw. That's our backward system for you!

Zubeneschamali · 07-09-2011 03:33PM

Happyman42 wrote: »

p.s. Mary Robinson won the election btw. That's our backward system for you!

That was a good result. McAleese, not so groundbreaking, but at least not a step backwards.

Norris would be progress.

Michael D. didn't even back Robinson in 1990, he wanted elder statesman Noel Browne to be the Labour candidate, and now he thinks he's an elder statesman himself.

The independents are nonentities, and Gay Mitchell can feck right off.

Happyman42 · 07-09-2011 03:39PM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Norris would be progress.

Why would electing someone who knowingly abused his position (he doesn't dispute that fact himself) once and may have done on other occasions (if journalists and his team are to be believed) be progress?

It a ridiculous thing to say.

anymore · 07-09-2011 06:21PM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

That was a good result. McAleese, not so groundbreaking, but at least not a step backwards.

Norris would be progress.

Michael D. didn't even back Robinson in 1990, he wanted elder statesman Noel Browne to be the Labour candidate, and now he thinks he's an elder statesman himself.

The independents are nonentities, and Gay Mitchell can feck right off.

Progress for whom ? For groups he has supported in the past ? For issues he has supported in the past and still may support ?
He definetely doesnt represent any kind of progress for me. Quite the opposite -

n32 · 07-09-2011 09:35PM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

That was a good result. McAleese, not so groundbreaking, but at least not a step backwards.

Norris would be progress.

Michael D. didn't even back Robinson in 1990, he wanted elder statesman Noel Browne to be the Labour candidate, and now he thinks he's an elder statesman himself.

The independents are nonentities, and Gay Mitchell can feck right off.

electing a man who doesnt condemn paedophilia and talks about wanting to be molested as a young man would be great progress for a country trying to shake off the years of sexual abuse inflicted on its youth. get real for god sake

Godge · 07-09-2011 10:09PM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

She was the first Labour candidate to run for President, and the first woman. She was an openly left wing campaigner for equal rights for both women and gays. She worked with one David Norris on the Campaign for Homosexual law Reform (as did Mary McAleese).

She made plenty of people who thought the Presidency was a retirement home for elder statesmen uncomfortable.

None of that made me uncomfortable - I voted for both of them.

But I would never vote for Norris - defender of child abusers, funny joker on molestation and abuser of power by seeking favours for ex-partner.

anymore · 09-09-2011 11:31AM

n32 wrote: »

electing a man who doesnt condemn paedophilia and talks about wanting to be molested as a young man would be great progress for a country trying to shake off the years of sexual abuse inflicted on its youth. get real for god sake

John waters has an interesting article today in irish Times regarding Political Correctness.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2011/0909/1224303758052.html

K-9 · 09-09-2011 12:27PM

anymore wrote: »

John waters has an interesting article today in irish Times regarding Political Correctness.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2011/0909/1224303758052.html

I'd agree that Conservatives have worn out it's use that it basically means nothing any more, you see it on Boards regularly, a few near meme posters that have "pc gone mad" in what seems nearly every post.

Interesting and all, what has it got to do with Norris?

anymore · 09-09-2011 01:05PM

K-9 wrote: »

I'd agree that Conservatives have worn out it's use that it basically means nothing any more, you see it on Boards regularly, a few near meme posters that have "pc gone mad" in what seems nearly every post.

Interesting and all, what has it got to do with Norris?

The near canonisation of Norris and the virulent attacks on anybody questioning him suitability, usually accompanied with hysterical acccusiations of being hommphobic, are a peferfect example of PC madmess is undermining debate in ireland.

K-9 · 09-09-2011 01:25PM

anymore wrote: »

The near canonisation of Norris and the virulent attacks on anybody questioning him suitability, usually accompanied with hysterical acccusiations of being hommphobic, are a peferfect example of PC madmess is undermining debate in ireland.

Yeah, what happens is like Waters did, people pick extreme examples and paint it as the norm. That goes on vice versa as well, people calling his supporters West Brits or whatever.

dvpower · 09-09-2011 09:12PM

K-9 wrote: »

Yeah, what happens is like Waters did, people pick extreme examples and paint it as the norm.

Waters doesn't even attempt to explain the wider history of that golliwog case, but he uses it to justify his crazy notion that 'Civilisation is at risk from political correctness'. Very dishonest.

anymore · 09-09-2011 09:34PM

dvpower wrote: »

Waters doesn't even attempt to explain the wider history of that golliwog case, but he uses it to justify his crazy notion that 'Civilisation is at risk from political correctness'. Very dishonest.

You must know it is ssome sub editor who chooses the article title you quoted !

dvpower · 09-09-2011 10:47PM

anymore wrote: »

You must know it is ssome sub editor who chooses the article title you quoted !

Perhaps so; it pretty accurately reflects the piece.

For at issue is not some haphazard set of dissociated, sometimes zany but well-intentioned notions, but a coherent programme to supplant western civilisation with a new society driven, with extreme prejudice, by a perversion of equality that has become something close to its diametric opposite: the tyranny of the omnipotent victim.

pablomakaveli · 09-09-2011 11:39PM

Is there currently a petition being gathered to get Norris to re-enter the race?

I saw guys in Cork today with t-shirts that had "Norris" on them asking people for signatures.

n32 · 10-09-2011 09:03AM

pablomakaveli wrote: »

Is there currently a petition being gathered to get Norris to re-enter the race?

I saw guys in Cork today with t-shirts that had "Norris" on them asking people for signatures.

its true , theres a petition to get 20,000 signatures to get the pompous little windbag bag into the race. Do these people have no sense? his own campaign abandoned him saying that more shocking allegations were yet to come out and now these eejits want to get him back in.

Happyman42 · 10-09-2011 12:18PM

n32 wrote: »

its true , theres a petition to get 20,000 signatures to get the pompous little windbag bag into the race. Do these people have no sense? his own campaign abandoned him saying that more shocking allegations were yet to come out and now these eejits want to get him back in.

History will see them as members of 'The Great Facebook Deluded' a demographic who lived in a fantasy land where internet warrioring always won the day and living 'happily ever after posting' was de rigueur. Sappy days!:rolleyes:

anymore · 10-09-2011 12:21PM

n32 wrote: »

its true , theres a petition to get 20,000 signatures to get the pompous little windbag bag into the race. Do these people have no sense? his own campaign abandoned him saying that more shocking allegations were yet to come out and now these eejits want to get him back in.

It becomes more and more clear how the Catholic Church was able to maintain its grip on Irish society for so long.

n32 · 10-09-2011 12:27PM

i think the above picture describes the norris petitioners better than words ever could!

anymore · 10-09-2011 12:32PM

n32 wrote: »

i think the above picture describes the norris petitioners better than words ever could!

perhaps he has adopted the old Japanese tradtion of not looking at the ' Emperor' beleiving him to be a living diety and thus capable of no wrong ?

n32 · 10-09-2011 12:33PM

anymore wrote: »

perhaps he has adopted the old Japanese tradtion of not looking at the ' Emperor' beleiving him to be a living diety and thus capable of no wrong ?

another possibility i suppose:D

joseph brand · 10-09-2011 12:39PM

From what I heard on the radio on Monday morning:

Norris didn't ask for his friend to be let out of prison. Just for clemency.
The boy his friend had sex with was a rent-boy.
The rent-boy was 3 months off being the age of consent.

Is this true?

anymore · 10-09-2011 12:42PM

joseph brand wrote: »

From what I heard on the radio on Monday morning:

Norris didn't ask for his friend to be let out of prison. Just for clemency.
The boy his friend had sex with was a rent-boy.
The rent-boy was 3 months off being the age of consent.

Is this true?

No but it has been discussed ad infinitum on several different threads.

Fuinseog · 10-09-2011 06:52PM

anymore wrote: »

Well his party leader at least broke the mould as far as attacking the Vatican about its delaying and evasive tactics in relation to clerical sex abuse. Now the net clearly has to be widened to examine the extent to which children teenagers are vulnerable to being exploited by adults.

his party leader is populist and will say what people want to hear. at the moment people want to hear that the catholic church is bad and only priests molest children. men of the cloth are evil. If secular gays have sex with boys they are merely educating them.

Fuinseog · 10-09-2011 06:53PM

n32 wrote: »

i think the above picture describes the norris petitioners better than words ever could!

several thousand people in this country are prepared to support norris no matter what he comes out with. that is disturbing.

Teclo · 10-09-2011 08:45PM

What you cannot see is the Sunday Independent pollster asking him if he thinks that Norris should re-enter the race.

anymore · 10-09-2011 11:00PM

Teclo wrote: »

What you cannot see is the Sunday Independent pollster asking him if he thinks that Norris should re-enter the race.

If I were him I wouldnt be willing to leave my nether end so exosed ! :eek:

aas · 10-09-2011 11:05PM

anymore wrote: »

If I were him I wouldnt be willing to leave my nether end so exosed ! :eek:

I don't think homophobic comments like this are really adding to the discussion.

anymore · 10-09-2011 11:10PM

aas wrote: »

I don't think homophobic comments like this are really adding to the discussion.

Is this political correctness at work here ?
The thing about equality is that a group or section of society has to stop thinking of itself as being special.and immune from a little humour !
And frankly the whole process of labeling people with whom you disagree as ' homophobic' has been done to death on these norris threads.

aas · 10-09-2011 11:15PM

anymore wrote: »

Is this political correctness at work here ?
The thing about equality is that a group or section of society has to stop thinking of itself as being special.and immune from a little humour !
And frankly the whole process of labeling people with whom you disagree as ' homophobic' has been done to death on these norris threads.

The thing about privilege is that you're completely ignorant of the damage you do by making comments like that.

anymore · 10-09-2011 11:20PM

aas wrote: »

The thing about privilege is that you're completely ignorant of the damage you do by making comments like that.

Privilege ?explain please ?

Is David Norris Toast?

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