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Is the west oversentimental about 9/11?

  • 08-09-2011 10:51PM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,462 ✭✭✭


    In comparison, how many died since in the war on terror in Iraq/Afganstan?

    Is a New York life worth so much more?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,125 ✭✭✭Killer Pigeon


    No price should be put on the life of another.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,152 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    Apparently so, despite Baghdad being nearer to us than New York.

    Even the wonderfully cynical and on-the-ball Team America gave in to the hype at the end of the film.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,439 ✭✭✭Kevin Duffy


    I don't oversentimentalise the 9th of November.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,739 ✭✭✭✭starbelgrade


    No price should be put on the life of another.

    American life = priceless

    Afghani life = about three fiddy


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,789 ✭✭✭✭peasant


    It used to be called called PROPAGANDA. These days they call it "spin".
    Nothing to do with being sentimental. We are being manipulated.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,425 ✭✭✭gargleblaster


    American life = priceless

    Afghani life = about three fiddy

    the west != America

    Or do you really think that statement only applies to Americans?



    Anyway to answer the OP's question - yes. This happens in every country though. Whatever affects them is of course of more importance than things that affect people in other countries / outgroups.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,702 ✭✭✭squod




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,190 ✭✭✭✭Latchy


    It wasn't just Americans who died on 9/11 , many europeans including Irish and British died to but it's a tragedy none the less regardless of any oversentiment .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,949 ✭✭✭A Primal Nut


    I think its more because everyone remembers watching the news coverage and the shock of it, and because so many people died at once.

    The Iraq War and Afghanistan War have got plenty of media coverage too so I'm not sure what point you are making, really.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,651 ✭✭✭✭El Weirdo


    The Iraq War and Afghanistan War have got plenty of media coverage too...
    But from who's perspective?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,925 ✭✭✭Otis Driftwood


    In comparison, how many died since in the war on terror in Iraq/Afganstan?

    Is a New York life worth so much more?

    Well the major difference is that most involved in the conflict in the Middle East that have been killed were there by choice.

    The people that died in the September 11 attacks for the most part were ordinary people doing their job,taking a flight etc.

    Its nothing to do with one life being worth more and tbh thats a pretty stupid argument.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,646 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    They speak English in New York. They don't speak english in Afghaniraq or whatever backwards place you're on about

    /thread


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,152 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    Latchy wrote: »
    It wasn't just Americans who died on 9/11 , many europeans including Irish and British died to but it's a tragedy none the less regardless of any oversentiment .

    Are you suggesting that there were no Irish or British living in Iraq that the invasion turned into (to use the despicable cop-out phrase) "collateral damage" ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 469 ✭✭geetar


    your point is silly.

    its not the amount of deaths that makes 9/11 ( or 11/9 for all you annoying people) so important. it was the symbolic attack on american soil, showing how the worlds biggest superpower was powerless and had to watch as it was being attacked, broadcasted live across the world that makes it such a big deal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,949 ✭✭✭A Primal Nut


    From every perspective. Most British and Irish media coverage has been critical of the Iraq/Afghan wars, so I don't see this media conspiracy people seem to think exists. I can't remember the last time I seen or read something positive about those wars, even in the American media (apart from Fox News)?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,425 ✭✭✭gargleblaster


    Well the major difference is that most involved in the conflict in the Middle East that have been killed were there by choice.

    The people that died in the September 11 attacks for the most part were ordinary people doing their job,taking a flight etc.

    Its nothing to do with one life being worth more and tbh thats a pretty stupid argument.

    :confused:

    Not sure what you mean there, the vast majority of the millions of Iraqi civilians who died in the illegal Iraq invasion were just going about their day to day lives, just as everyone at the WTC.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,006 ✭✭✭MistyCheese


    What happened at the Twin Towers in New York on the 11th of September 2001 was terrible, tragic, a travesty but I did my grieving at the time. Fortunately no-one I know was hurt so the grieving did not last for ten years.

    I understand completely the pain still being very deep for people involved and their families, friends and co-workers or indeed anyone who was affected by what happened but as a non-American who was not affected I don't feel extraordinarily emotive about this event.

    To sum up, it was terrible, but it was ten years ago. It didn't directly affect me so I sympathise with those who were affected and move on swiftly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,351 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    And what about the million or so who are said to have died by the West imposing a blockade on Iraq for over a decade.

    Were they guilty? Of what?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,949 ✭✭✭A Primal Nut


    :confused:

    Not sure what you mean there, the vast majority of the millions of Iraqi civilians who died in the illegal Iraq invasion were just going about their day to day lives, just as everyone at the WTC.

    They weren't killed by the invasion though, most of them were killed by suicide bombings.

    And unfortunately we here about Iraqi civilians being killed all the time. Not sure why 9/11 is any different.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,184 ✭✭✭KINGVictor


    Reality is about 3000 people died on that day!...yes a lot of people have died in Iraq/Afganistan like you mentioned, but there wont be any need for those deaths if they did not accommodate and facilitate the actions of the terrorists..

    It is so easy to pontificate on how people should feel if you have not been directly affected.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭wes


    Well the major difference is that most involved in the conflict in the Middle East that have been killed were there by choice.

    Bull****, utter utter bull****. The 1,000s of civilians (upper estimates of a million from some sources), were not there by choice. A group of crazy people from the US invaded the country and wrecked the place, and stood by while a sectarian civil war took place, which was directly the result of the US invasion.

    As for the OPs question, the answer is Yes. For example September the 11th is the Anniversary of the 1973 Chilean coup d'état, where democratically elected Allende was over thrown, with US backing. Don't get me wrong, September 11th was a horrible crime, but I can list equally horrible crimes, that deserve as much attention the world over, that barely get a mention.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,474 ✭✭✭Crazy Horse 6


    Sick of hearing about it at this stage. I mean it's 24/7 at this stage and it's not even Sunday yet.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,425 ✭✭✭gargleblaster


    To sum up, it was terrible, but it was ten years ago. It didn't directly affect me so I sympathise with those who were affected and move on swiftly.
    Hell, I live here and it affected me deeply, but it's been 10 years and the coverage here is - I won't even watch any of it. It started about a month ago, if that tells you anything.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,651 ✭✭✭✭El Weirdo


    KINGVictor wrote: »
    Reality is about 3000 people died on that day!...yes a lot of people have died in Iraq/Afganistan like you mentioned, but there wont be any need for those deaths if they did not accommodate and facilitate the actions of the terrorists..

    It is so easy to pontificate on how people should feel if you have not been directly affected.
    What?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,538 ✭✭✭flutterflye


    People need to get the fcuk over it.
    Worse goes on every minute of every day elsewhere in the world.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,949 ✭✭✭A Primal Nut


    NIMAN wrote: »
    And what about the million or so who are said to have died by the West imposing a blockade on Iraq for over a decade.

    Were they guilty? Of what?

    Most of them were guilty of not sharing the same beliefs/tribal identity as Saddam, the marsh arabs and the kurds in particular, and the shi'ites to toa lesser extent. Which is the main reason they died rather than the the blockade.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,646 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    hang on now lads

    Who the f*ck says that people dont care about lives lost in both cases.

    I, for one, do! But the difference here is that I sat in front of the TV and watched live coverage of 3500 people dying all at once! it brings me back very sharp and vivid memories.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,944 ✭✭✭fedor.2.


    El Weirdo wrote: »
    What?


    You heard him


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭wes


    KINGVictor wrote: »
    Reality is about 3000 people died on that day!...yes a lot of people have died in Iraq/Afganistan like you mentioned, but there wont be any need for those deaths if they did not accommodate and facilitate the actions of the terrorists..

    Iraq had nothing at all to do with September 11th. The US government at the time (criminals who should be in jail) lied about any such links, and lied about WMD. The neocons wanted to invade Iraq long before September 11th, and quite frankly a lot of blood in on the US governments hands, due to there invasion of Iraq, which also meant they messed up in Afghanistan as well, leading to more lives lost.

    A lot of lives were lost directly due to the US government. Al Qaeda aren't the only ones with blood on there hands.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,453 ✭✭✭jugger0


    Americans care about about American deaths, why care about the deaths of people who hate you?


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