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Gardai abuse of the rules of the road

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  • #362
    0O7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 229 ✭✭0O7


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    My home was raided by the Metropolitan Police in London in the 1980s. My aunt's house was regularly raided by the Irish Special Branch in the 1970s - both were stopped due to legal action as both police forces were acting without evidence or in legal speak - due cause - or valid warrants.
    A guard wanted to go out with my sister - so gave her spins in the squad car.
    I have worked as a training consultant in Templemore (The Garda Training college) at their invitation.
    When did I say I hate the guards? - in fact I said I respect the force but worry about the effects of the 'bad apples' on public perception which leads to the force being disrespected.

    Perhaps before you ask questions you should read the information before you.


    So your aunts house was regualry raided by guards and your house was once raided by the met... and then they gave you a job?


  • #363
    MagicSean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Oh dear - is it too difficult for you that someone who actually has a role to play in training the Gardaí is discussing that there is an issue with public perception of the force and the fact that members of the force are responsible for this?
    Never mind, you just bury your head in the sand and pop up to sling insults at people when it gets too hard to cope with reality.

    Bye now - enjoy your illusions.

    There aren't that many civilians involved in training the Gardaí. Either you're a PE instructor, Irish teacher or Social Studies lecturer. On the other hand you may of course just be in Admin or a guest speaker. None of the above really would qualify you as being informed to the level you believe. If I was to put my money on it I'd say you fall under the category of guest speaker.


  • #364
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 57,077 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Seanbeag1 wrote: »
    There aren't that many civilians involved in training the Gardaí. Either you're a PE instructor, Irish teacher or Social Studies lecturer. On the other hand you may of course just be in Admin or a guest speaker. None of the above really would qualify you as being informed to the level you believe. If I was to put my money on it I'd say you fall under the category of guest speaker.

    She was never inside the door imo. All just makey-uppy stuff i'd say and i'd put money on it.


  • #365
    Wertz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,909 ✭✭✭✭Wertz


    Can't any of you read? She said she was a training consultant.

    The powers of observation displayed by members of the force on here is shocking :p
    I hope that doesn't interfere when you're behind the wheel...


  • #366
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 57,077 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Wertz wrote: »
    Can't any of you read? She said she was a training consultant.

    The powers of observation displayed by members of the force on here is shocking :p
    I hope that doesn't interfere when you're behind the wheel...

    ha ha its just that nobody believes her. She must not have made a good impact in Templemor as none of them seem to believe she was there either.


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  • #367
    tmcw
    Closed Accounts Posts: 396 ✭✭tmcw


    Seanbeag1 wrote: »
    ...What about picking up a meal for a prisoner?...

    Is this for real? Do the gardaí go out to pick up meals for prisoners? I don't like the idea of my taxes going to pay for petrol and wear and tear on police cars fetching food for criminals.

    Unless it's his last meal.


  • #368
    Bosco boy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,235 ✭✭✭Bosco boy


    Bannashide, You wouldnt happen to have a brother who was a traffic instructor with the merseyside police? Nice chap!


  • #369
    MagicSean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    tmcw wrote: »
    Is this for real? Do the gardaí go out to pick up meals for prisoners? I don't like the idea of my taxes going to pay for petrol and wear and tear on police cars fetching food for criminals.

    Unless it's his last meal.

    How do you think they get fed? A person can be detained for up to one week for questioning.


  • #370
    tmcw
    Closed Accounts Posts: 396 ✭✭tmcw


    Seanbeag1 wrote: »
    How do you think they get fed? A person can be detained for up to one week for questioning.

    Water from the tap, and bread delivered once a week.

    Next you'll be telling me that their food gets paid for with our taxes.


  • #371
    westendgirlie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,125 ✭✭✭westendgirlie


    This thread really resembles a school playground now. And the real kids aren't the ones being childish!

    Now go brush your teeth, it's bedtime.


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  • #372
    hondasam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,418 ✭✭✭✭hondasam


    tmcw wrote: »
    Is this for real? Do the gardaí go out to pick up meals for prisoners? I don't like the idea of my taxes going to pay for petrol and wear and tear on police cars fetching food for criminals.

    Unless it's his last meal.

    yes they have to get fed, supermacs, fish and chips. paid by the taxpayer.


  • #373
    MagicSean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    tmcw wrote: »
    Water from the tap, and bread delivered once a week.

    Next you'll be telling me that their food gets paid for with our taxes.

    Unless they want something specific.


  • #374
    0O7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 229 ✭✭0O7


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    My home was raided by the Metropolitan Police in London in the 1980s. My aunt's house was regularly raided by the Irish Special Branch in the 1970s - both were stopped due to legal action as both police forces were acting without evidence or in legal speak - due cause - or valid warrants.
    A guard wanted to go out with my sister - so gave her spins in the squad car.
    I have worked as a training consultant in Templemore (The Garda Training college) at their invitation.
    When did I say I hate the guards? - in fact I said I respect the force but worry about the effects of the 'bad apples' on public perception which leads to the force being disrespected.

    Perhaps before you ask questions you should read the information before you.


    in other threads you give out about the training and even say the training isnt good enough... although you were part of the team training them? (so you say)


  • #375
    Del2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,162 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    Bosco boy wrote: »
    Face it, the police raided your home as you said yourself, it would be normal that you would have a gripe. At least you had the honesty to tell us where you were coming from. Most the other bashers won't.

    The only dealing I've had with the Gardai was when a scumbag tried to steal my car.

    I've heard and seen Gardai abusing there powers too often for it to be a few bad apples, but since I can't provide links I must be telling lies.

    I still don't know why just because Gardai are exempt from the Traffic laws means that they think it's safe to drive while using the phone. They aren't exempt from the laws of physics or nature.

    I want a police force that has the highest standards, currently I don't see that from ours and the members posting aren't improving my opinion.


  • #376
    Del2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,162 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    0O7 wrote: »
    in other threads you give out about the training and even say the training isnt good enough... although you were part of the team training them? (so you say)

    Depends what they were training and what they are allowed to train.

    Are the Gardaí getting CPR training yet?

    Apparently somewhere in the Garda advanced driving course they teach you how to drive and make important phone calls at the same time. I can't find a single other driving course that does this.


  • #377
    MagicSean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    Del2005 wrote: »
    The only dealing I've had with the Gardai was when a scumbag tried to steal my car.

    I've heard and seen Gardai abusing there powers too often

    These two sentences kind of contradict each other.
    Del2005 wrote: »
    Depends what they were training and what they are allowed to train.

    Are the Gardaí getting CPR training yet?

    Apparently somewhere in the Garda advanced driving course they teach you how to drive and make important phone calls at the same time. I can't find a single other driving course that does this.

    CPR has been standard for a while now.

    Can you think of any other profession that would need to use the skills used in the advanced Garda course? I would think the ambulance service and fire ervice would be the only ones. With good reason.


  • #378
    Wertz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,909 ✭✭✭✭Wertz


    Seanbeag1 wrote: »
    How do you think they get fed? A person can be detained for up to one week for questioning.

    I've often seen the cops up my way getting takeaway at odd hours...assuming it was for someone in a cell, um, hasn't the desk sergeant heard of delivery drivers??

    I'd have to do a serious doubletake if gardaí, their vehicle and their shift allowance are being wasted masquerading as delivery drivers for someone getting questioned...


  • #379
    charlemont
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,725 ✭✭✭charlemont


    Wertz wrote: »
    I've often seen the cops up my way getting takeaway at odd hours...assuming it was for someone in a cell, um, hasn't the desk sergeant heard of delivery drivers??

    I'd have to do a serious doubletake if gardaí, their vehicle and their shift allowance are being wasted masquerading as delivery drivers for someone getting questioned...

    Snackbox time;) .........Well in fairness they have to provide food for a person in custody. And someone has to go and get it.

    Now that I think about it the delivery driver could put contraband into the food, Actually thats a good idea..:D


  • #380
    Bosco boy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,235 ✭✭✭Bosco boy


    Del2005 wrote: »
    Depends what they were training and what they are allowed to train.

    Are the Gardaí getting CPR training yet?

    Apparently somewhere in the Garda advanced driving course they teach you how to drive and make important phone calls at the same time. I can't find a single other driving course that does this.

    sorry to burst your bubble you but all gardai have CPR training, if you are so upset get onto your TD and try and get the law changed in relation to emergency services using phones while driving, I hope not, but maybe someday the call they are on may be relevant to your life or someone belonging to you and it may make the difference that they can take it.


  • #381
    legallyblonde86
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75 ✭✭legallyblonde86


    Gardaí do need to use their phones while on duty, however there is nothing to stop them pulling the car over to the side of the road to take the call.
    there is no need to be texting!

    As for driving in the bus lanes not all calls are emergency calls so sirens and lights aren't always required. Although if I came home to find my house ransacked i'd like to think the gardai wouldn't be sitting in traffic on their way here when they could take the bus lane. And everyone has broken the rules of the road at least once! Sure I see eejits doing stupid things everyday!!

    As for seeing the same car in the garage buying their coffee... any chance it was a different car considering most districts have more than one garda car?


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  • #382
    RustyNut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,427 ✭✭✭RustyNut


    Bosco boy wrote: »
    sorry to burst your bubble you but all gardai have CPR training, if you are so upset get onto your TD and try and get the law changed in relation to emergency services using phones while driving, I hope not, but maybe someday the call they are on may be relevant to your life or someone belonging to you and it may make the difference that they can take it.

    Or maby you get knocked down by an es driver distracted by using their phone.


  • #383
    Wertz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,909 ✭✭✭✭Wertz


    charlemont wrote: »
    Snackbox time;) .........Well in fairness they have to provide food for a person in custody. And someone has to go and get it.

    Now that I think about it the delivery driver could put contraband into the food, Actually thats a good idea..:D

    Phone and an account in a place that can be trusted...quick check of contents before detainee gets it. Nothing requiring too much planning there...but oh no, send down someone on duty down to abra to waste 20-30min of their valuable time...
    Good tactic though; no better way to get answers out of someone than threatening them with food from abra...


  • #384
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Seanbeag1 wrote: »
    Nothing will change. People will still moan on the internet because they see a Garda do something and have no idea of the reasons and assume it is not justified. And who decides if it is justified? What about a report of a house alarm activated? 99% of these are false alarms so should attending these not be a good reason to break a light? What about picking up a meal for a prisoner? Would you want a patrol car sitting in traffic to do this or should they be able to use the bus lane to get it done quicker? What about flase reports of serious incidents? Should Gardaí apologise to every driver they overtook when the call is cancelled? There are many minor incidents which could require a Garda to break a traffic law. That is why the exemption exists.

    What about cases like the OP where they break the lights to pull in at a garage and get coffee? No one's saying they shouldn't be allowed to get it, but if I have to wait at the lights for a cuppa why shouldn't they? It's hardly an emergency matter of life and death now is it?


  • #385
    The Highwayman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,227 ✭✭✭The Highwayman


    0O7 wrote: »
    ok so, you try working until 6am, then drive home for an hour, sleep, get up, drive an hour and be back in work for 2pm the same day....

    see if you want a cup of coffee then...

    If you cant afford to live near your job, even with all the garda perks ie. home insurance, mortgage rates and loans its not my fault. Maybe if you worked hard and went to Uni instead of just being tall and stupid you could have got a good job where this is not an issue. By the way what unit in what station finishes at 6am and is back in at 2pm don't you have rules on rest time?????

    mod: poster banned.


  • #386
    HarryPotter41
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,402 ✭✭✭HarryPotter41


    Snakeblood wrote: »
    I'm talking about a theoretical example where someone is going to the shops. In this theoretical example (because I haven't cited any real world ones) they shouldn't be allowed break the law. So to answer your question, I'm perfectly certain there isn't a report of theft because I made it up.

    Jesus wept.


    So what you are suggesting never happened. Jesus wept is correct


  • #387
    Bosco boy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,235 ✭✭✭Bosco boy


    The Highwayman wrote: »
    0O7 wrote: »
    ok so, you try working until 6am, then drive home for an hour, sleep, get up, drive an hour and be back in work for 2pm the same day....

    see if you want a cup of coffee then...

    If you cant afford to live near your job, even with all the garda perks ie. home insurance, mortgage rates and loans its not my fault. Maybe if you worked hard and went to Uni instead of just being tall and stupid you could have got a good job where this is not an issue. By the way what unit in what station finishes at 6am and is back in at 2pm don't you have rules on rest time?????

    this is a typical example of someone who hasn't the foggiest idea about what they are talking about. I went to uni and I am in the career of my choice and By the way I have to pay for home insurance, my mortgage and car loan same as everyone else. Yes I finish at 6am once a week an have to be back at work at 2pm that day. Also in the same week I finish at 10pm and restart at 6am the next morning. I wish I could do 9am to 5pm but the nature of the job means we have to work those hours to cover 24/7/365. Most people appreciate it but criminals, scumbags and whingers generally don't!


  • #388
    RustyNut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,427 ✭✭✭RustyNut


    Interesting


  • #389
    MagicSean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    The Highwayman wrote: »
    If you cant afford to live near your job, even with all the garda perks ie. home insurance, mortgage rates and loans its not my fault. Maybe if you worked hard and went to Uni instead of just being tall and stupid you could have got a good job where this is not an issue. By the way what unit in what station finishes at 6am and is back in at 2pm don't you have rules on rest time?????

    Gardaí get no perks for mortgage rates, home insurance or loans. Many Gardaí have third level qualifications. I did four years in UCD before joining because I decided I wanted to do something that would benefit society. The working time regulations don't apply to Gardaí. So you're entire post was bull****. Well Done.
    RustyNut wrote: »
    Interesting

    Not really.


  • #390
    mattser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,448 ✭✭✭mattser


    Would somebody close this bloody thing NOW. And, btw, are there any mods here ? I got sanctioned on another forum for a crime way less serious than calling someone stupid.
    This place is getting as inconsistent as the GAA disciplinary process.


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  • #391
    Big Nasty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,066 ✭✭✭✭Big Nasty


    The Highwayman wrote: »
    If you cant afford to live near your job, even with all the garda perks ie. home insurance, mortgage rates and loans its not my fault. Maybe if you worked hard and went to Uni instead of just being tall and stupid you could have got a good job where this is not an issue. By the way what unit in what station finishes at 6am and is back in at 2pm don't you have rules on rest time?????

    What an idiotic post!:eek::eek::eek:


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