AS GAEILGE

k4kate · 04-09-2011 10:03PM

ShamoBuc wrote: »

NO!

Proud of Seán Óg though;)

Great attitude ShamBuc. Is maith liom é

randylonghorn · 04-09-2011 10:05PM

Caveman1 wrote: »

After watching the All Ireland Hurling final today the Kilkenny captain gave his speech as gaelige and also in english, this got me thinking, how many Irish people can actually fluently speak in Irish ??

You would be surprised how many people around Kilkenny speak quite decent Irish.

Or, more accurately, I suppose, it surprised me ...

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Don't know if the Polish can speak Irish ?

Funnily enough, I know a few eastern europeans who speak at least a smattering of Irish ... not fluent by any means, as they don't have the need, but they have picked up bits from their kids who are learning it in school.

pickarooney wrote: »

"As gaelige"?

Cá bhfuil na Gardaí na gramadach?

The ironing ...

Scealta_saol wrote: »

They say there are about 1 million fluent speakers in Ireland but very few of them use it on a day to day basis.

I'd be a bit suspicious of the definition of "fluent" on which that statistic is based tbh.

Scealta_saol · 04-09-2011 10:10PM

BTW peeps I said "They say". I didn't say there are... Shame really... I'd love it if there were 1 million speakers....

fuerte1976 · 04-09-2011 10:12PM

The King of Moo wrote: »

I've a fairly high level of school Irish. Not fluent but advanced.

I've never had any nationalistic or patriotic reasons for being able to speak it, I was just good at it in school.

I don't speak it much at all in my everyday life, but I'm glad I have it, just for the sake of being able to speak a language.

Agus mise.

Wibbs · 04-09-2011 10:21PM

raxor wrote: »

A million people fluent?!

Ha, ha ha h.....sorry "há, há há há há"!

I'd remove the gloating ha ha's but a million fluent speakers is an utterly daft pie in the sky number. Typical of the dreamland that some Gaelgoiri live in. And a disservice to the language to boot. One chap tried this "stat" out http://www.guardian.co.uk/travel/2007/jan/05/ireland.features Didn't really work out for him, though he saw hope with the resurgence of Gaelscoils. You can ignore the census figures as self reported bullshít. It's about as useful a statistic as the all men online have 9 inch mickeys one. Riding the vast majority of the latter will leave you dissapointed as will trying a full on convo as Gaelige with the majority of Irish people.

k4kate wrote: »

In 2005 Cork won the All-Ireland Hurling Final. Seán Óg Ó hAilpín was captain. He gave his speech completely through Irish and he did not set foot in this country till he was 10 years old.

You ashamed of yourselves?????

No. My family have lived in Dublin for many many generations and haven't spoken the language in the same many generations. Many people around this nation of ours would be similar in their distance from it. It's a long long time since this nation were all of one voice in the words on our tongues. Are you ashamed you can't speak or read the highly sophisticated Bardic or Old Irish? Cos I'll bet a large lump of airgead you can't.

If you are fluent and drenched in the language I say fair play and keep it alive and grow it in the mouths of your children. I'll support you in that, but do not take the piss out of the rest of us, because we walk a different linguistic road going in the same direction.

Quite frankly how dare you remotely apportion shame to the rest of us. Many of our non Irish speaking ancestors fought and died for this nation, while many of our Irish speakers hid behind their mothers skirts safe in the hinterland. How dare you relegate us as lesser because we don't belong to a narrow "up for the match" parish pump definition of what you think it is to be Irish.

k4kate · 04-09-2011 10:28PM

Wibbs wrote: »

If you are fluent and drenched in the language I say fair play and keep it alive and grow it in the mouths of your children. I'll support you in that, but do not take the piss out of the rest of us, because we walk a different linguistic road going in the same direction.

Quite frankly . how dare you remotely apportion shame to the rest of us.Many of our non Irish speaking ancestors fought and died for this nation, while many of our Irish speakers hid behind their mothers skirts safe in the hinterland. How dare you relegate us as lesser because we don't belong to a narrow "up for the match" parish pump definition of what you think it is to be Irish.

i did not apportion blame to anyone, i asked a question. And who said i relegated anyone as lesser? And what do you think i define irish as???

Wibbs · 04-09-2011 10:35PM

Maybe try reading as Bearla, I said "shame" not "blame". This;

k4kate wrote:

You ashamed of yourselves?????

Kinda gives the game away. Your vigour in hitting the "?" key also helps with my assumption. The GAA reference likely adds to your definition of "Irish". Feel free to correct.

k4kate · 04-09-2011 10:36PM

Also the OP asked about SPEAKING IRISH rather than BEING IRISH

They are different things.

Wibbs · 04-09-2011 10:38PM

k4kate wrote: »

Also the OP asked about SPEAKING IRISH rather than BEING IRISH

They are different things.

Apparently not according to you, given we who are not fluent in the ability to give a speech as Gaelige should ask the question should we be ashamed of ourselves.

k4kate · 04-09-2011 10:39PM

Wibbs wrote: »

Maybe try reading as Bearla, I said "shame" not "blame". This;

Kinda gives the game away. Your vigour in hitting the "?" key also helps with my assumption. The GAA reference likely adds to your definition of "Irish". Feel free to correct.

I will correct away. I apportion no blame or shame to people who cannot speak irish.

k4kate · 04-09-2011 10:41PM

Wibbs wrote: »

Apparently not according to you, given we who are not fluent in the ability to give a speech as Gaelige should ask the question should we be ashamed of ourselves.

No that is not true. I asked should we not feel ashamed that a man who did not speak any Irish at ten yrs of age can speak fluently now and most of us can't?

Wibbs · 04-09-2011 10:43PM

k4kate wrote: »

I will correct away. I apportion no blame or shame to people who cannot speak irish.

Really? Then how do explain your internal rational with this?

In 2005 Cork won the All-Ireland Hurling Final. Seán Óg Ó hAilpín was captain. He gave his speech completely through Irish and he did not set foot in this country till he was 10 years old.

You ashamed of yourselves?????

Account hijack? Multiple personality disorder? Brainfart? Because "I apportion no blame or shame to people who cannot speak irish" does not compute with "You ashamed of yourselves?????". Either way it's a tad confusing for the casual reader.

k4kate · 04-09-2011 10:44PM

And my problem is not that most people cannot do it but that most people are proud of the fact they can't and look on those of us who speak iorish as being "fanatical"

k4kate · 04-09-2011 10:48PM

Wibbs wrote: »

Really? Then how do explain your internal rational with this?

Account hijack? Multiple personality disorder? Brainfart? Because "I apportion no blame or shame to people who cannot speak irish" does not compute with "You ashamed of yourselves?????". Either way it's a tad confusing for the casual reader.

BRAINFART??? Jesus, what a great phrase, I love it. I don't apportion blame or shame to those who don't speak Irish. I will retract original message o wise one

Wibbs · 04-09-2011 10:54PM

k4kate wrote: »

And my problem is not that most people cannot do it but that most people are proud of the fact they can't

I hardly think that's true of the majority. It's certainly not true of me. For me it's one of the languages of our nation with a rich heritage that should be supported(with caveats). There is no pride involved. I'm happy, nay even proud that some are fluent and continue to make it a living language, but equally it's not relevant for me. And many others, who are forced to feel it should be relevant in the makeup of what it is to be "truly" Irish(tm). Those self reported census figures would also disagree. There is widespread tacit support for the language , though actually speaking it is another kettle of swimming vertebrates.

and look on those of us who speak iorish as being "fanatical"

Nope again. I would guess that the vast majority of Irish people only use the word fanatical with those who are... well, fanatical. And dismissive.

k4kate · 04-09-2011 10:56PM

And by swimming vertebrates do you mean "fish"

I will retract wibbs i said

Wibbs · 04-09-2011 10:56PM

k4kate wrote: »

BRAINFART??? Jesus, what a great phrase, I love it. I don't apportion blame or shame to those who don't speak Irish. I will retract original message o wise one

"Wise one"? Jaysus K that's about as accurate a statement as "over a million are fluent Irish speakers".

and yea brainfart is a bloody brilliant word alright.

Wibbs · 04-09-2011 10:59PM

Feck retraction K. Stick to your guns and fair play. I've had so many brainfarts I'm suspecting at this stage that I've injected baked beans directly into my skull.

k4kate · 04-09-2011 11:01PM

Wibbs wrote: »

"Wise one"? Jaysus K that's about as accurate a statement as "over a million are fluent Irish speakers". and yea brainfart is a bloody brilliant word alright.

I can't stop laughing, BRAINFART, I love it. I have retracted. People should not be ashamed Seán Óg spoke in Irish and they can't but admire Seán Óg. Cos he is fluent in Irish and cos he is a ride

ShamoBuc · 04-09-2011 11:01PM

Wibbs wrote: »

"Wise one"? Jaysus K that's about as accurate a statement as "over a million are fluent Irish speakers".

I lol'd aswell;)

Sarah? · 04-09-2011 11:01PM

I'm good at speaking it at secondary school level but not so great at writing it. Love talking as Gaeilge though, just rarely get a chance to do so.

k4kate · 04-09-2011 11:06PM

ShamoBuc wrote: »

I lol'd aswell;)

ShanoBuc you said you thought Seán Óg was great so you are on my list

Caveman1 · 04-09-2011 11:09PM

It seems like a lot of people can understand Irish from a book but can't hold a conversation, that to me shows it's not being taught well enough in schools, I can hardly remember any of what I learned at school but I think it's great when I hear other people talking Irish

ShamoBuc · 04-09-2011 11:09PM

k4kate wrote: »

ShanoBuc you said you thought Seán Óg was great so you are on my list

Wibbs = wise = lol

Seán Óg = Legend = Ceart!!

Wibbs · 04-09-2011 11:11PM

These feckers have a list?:eek: *runs off to read Peig and my English/Irish dictionary with renewed interest*

flutterflye · 04-09-2011 11:13PM

Madra.
Bruscar bruscar.
Go raimh maith liom.
Leithris.

This is me speaking Irish.
Maybe know a handful more words, c'est tout.
12 years of learning Irish and no clue at all!

k4kate · 04-09-2011 11:13PM

ShamoBuc wrote: »

Wibbs = wise = lol

Seán Óg = Legend = Ceart!!

ShamoBuc = admirer of Seán Óg = Sound Lad

PS is Wibbs not wise??? I thought she was.

ShamoBuc · 04-09-2011 11:13PM

Wibbs wrote: »

These feckers have a list?:eek: *runs off to read Peig and my English/Irish dictionary with renewed interest*

No need to worry, I've my own list....I've already translated it into 94242754 languages, google translate is my friend:D

k4kate · 04-09-2011 11:15PM

Wibbs wrote: »

These feckers have a list?:eek: *runs off to read Peig and my English/Irish dictionary with renewed interest*

Peig = torture

ShamoBuc · 04-09-2011 11:16PM

k4kate wrote: »

ShamoBuc = admirer of Seán Óg = Sound Lad

PS is Wibbs not wise??? I thought she was.

We are each as wise as each other, we are all equal...although some are more equal than others;)

AS GAEILGE

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