Tv licence - i dont own a tv..

MungBean · 03-09-2011 01:46AM

Daithi 1 wrote: »

Actually is explains a lot, read between the lines. The inspector knows he hasnt a leg to stand on. Hence his unsual standoffish behaviour.

Actually it doesnt, guy asks if he was obliged to speak to him and the inspector says not if he doesnt want to. He's an inspector checking houses not a judge in a courtroom. Nothing to do with having no leg to stand on, everything to do with him being a licence inspector and not a person of authority. He sticks down customer refused to discuss and let someone else take over. Sending out letters, eventually leading to this that and the other.

I couldnt give a rats about them by the way and would tell them to get lost myself if they came round. But refusing to talk to someone isnt explaining anything about rights when it comes to not paying a licence.

Daithi 1 · 03-09-2011 01:47AM

johnmcdnl wrote: »

AH really needs a mega thread on tv licensing laws...

there must be a thread like this every week here and every single week the arguement goes on about whether you need a license for a radio or for your computer etc etc

We were waiting for your input for ages !! thanks man

Daithi 1 · 03-09-2011 01:50AM

Skunkle wrote: »

Actually it doesnt, guy asks if he was obliged to speak to him and the inspector says not if he doesnt want to. He's an inspector checking houses not a judge in a courtroom. Nothing to do with having no leg to stand on, everything to do with him being a licence inspector and not a person of authority. He sticks down customer refused to discuss and let someone else take over. Sending out letters, eventually leading to this that and the other.

I couldnt give a rats about them by the way and would tell them to get lost myself if they came round. But refusing to talk to someone isnt explaining anything about rights when it comes to not paying a licence.

It does explain that anything he says can be used agaist him in court. he has reserves the right not to give criminal evedince against himself, in not doing so, there is no evidence against him.

MungBean · 03-09-2011 01:52AM

Paparazzo wrote: »

But if you don't have a tv or equipment to receive a tv signal, realistically they have to arrive with a guard who has a search warrant.
Not sure what the deal is if it can be clearly seen from outside your house through your window.

Thats my point an inspector has no power to do anything but ask questions. Regardless of what information you give him or whether you refuse to give him any the paying of the licence is required by law though. So he informs the office or someone who refuses to pay or even discuss, as you seen in the other clip they call again accompanied by an officer and if nothing is achieved they can probably get a warrant or issue you a fine and place the burden of proof on you to prove you should not pay it.

If its enforced by law there has to be procedures to prove it one way or the other. Refusing to talk about it doesnt prove anything.

Greentopia · 03-09-2011 01:54AM

emanresu wrote: »

A television tuner, which is a circuit board that can be fitted into one of the slots inside a computer.

I checked out the official position on the matter and from dcenrgov.ie:

Q. Do I require a television licence for a computer which can access television-like services (e.g. the RTÉ Player or streaming services) over the Internet?
A. No. So long as the computer is unable to display television channels distributed by conventional television broadcasting networks (i.e cable, satillite, IPTV, analogue terrestrial, digital terrestrial or MMDS) e.g. using a television tuner card or similar device, then there is no requirement to hold a television licence.

So a tuner card or the like. I'm in the clear so

good to know.

MungBean · 03-09-2011 01:56AM

Daithi 1 wrote: »

It does explain that anything he says can be used agaist him in court. he has reserves the right not to give criminal evedince against himself, in not doing so, there is no evidence against him.

That doesnt mean that thats the only evidence available to enforce the law. The Gardai can seek a warrant to gather information from your home in relation to the charges filed against you for failing to pay the licence.

Killer Pigeon · 03-09-2011 01:56AM

Why do I have to pay for crap TV I don't want to watch? I barely ever watch RTÉ.

Daithi 1 · 03-09-2011 01:57AM

Skunkle wrote: »

Thats my point an inspector has no power to do anything but ask questions. Regardless of what information you give him or whether you refuse to give him any the paying of the licence is required by law though. So he informs the office or someone who refuses to pay or even discuss, as you seen in the other clip they call again accompanied by an officer and if nothing is achieved they can probably get a warrant or issue you a fine and place the burden of proof on you to prove you should not pay it.

If its enforced by law there has to be procedures to prove it one way or the other. Refusing to talk about it doesnt prove anything.

You are missing one important point. It is you constitutional right to say nothing, you are advised to say nothing, yet. You seem to be under the illusion that this might somehow indicate criminality.
They can not get a warrent because there is no grounds.
Know it, Believe it.

Temptamperu · 03-09-2011 01:57AM

The problem as i see it is, we pay the license yet every ten minutes we have too sit through advertisments and product placement. Which beggers the question Why do we pay when RTE sell ist soul to advertising companys every day.
Its one or the other. i know where i would tell i licensw inspector wher to go if he knocked on my door.

MungBean · 03-09-2011 02:00AM

Daithi 1 wrote: »

You are missing one important point. It is you constitutional right to say nothing, you are advised to say nothing, yet. You seem to be under the illusion that this might somehow indicate criminality.
They can not get a warrent because there is no grounds.
Know it, Believe it.

Failure to pay a licence and suspicion that you are in possession of something that needs a licence is grounds for a search warrant.

Daithi 1 · 03-09-2011 02:03AM

Skunkle wrote: »

Failure to pay a licence and suspicion that you are in possession of something that needs a licence is grounds for a search warrant.

Suspicion ? Presumption of guilt prior to presumption of innocence ?

LOL

That could be very costly to the erm... establishment :pac:

Cill Dara Abu · 03-09-2011 02:04AM

Dog License: €12

TV License: €165

I know which one I would rather.

Daithi 1 · 03-09-2011 02:05AM

Cill Dara Abu wrote: »

Dog License: €12

TV License: €165

I know which one I would rather.

tv dog:pac:

charlemont · 03-09-2011 02:09AM

Bin.

MungBean · 03-09-2011 02:10AM

Daithi 1 wrote: »

Suspicion ? Presumption of guilt prior to presumption of innocence ?

LOL

That could be very costly to the erm... establishment :pac:

Do you know how the law works or are you drunk or something ?

dvpower · 03-09-2011 02:15AM

Skunkle wrote: »

Do you know how the law works or are you drunk or something ?

Little bit from column A; little bit from column B

Cill Dara Abu · 03-09-2011 02:16AM

charlemont wrote: »

Bin.

Laden?

Daithi 1 · 03-09-2011 02:17AM

Skunkle wrote: »

Do you know how the law works or are you drunk or something ?

I know exactly how it works. I never boards and drink.
Are you an off duty policeman ? a tv license inspector or just a bored over concerned angel citizen ?

seanbmc · 03-09-2011 02:20AM

Lets say I had a large monitor and used the internet to download all my TV shows, I shouldn't have to pay a licence then?

Parsley · 03-09-2011 02:21AM

seanbmc wrote: »

Lets say I had a large monitor and used the internet to download all my TV shows, I shouldn't have to pay a licence then?

nope.

MarthaMyDear · 03-09-2011 02:21AM

We got a million calls at the door and letters about a tv license. Then we got a letter about a court summons

It sat in a drawer for a good few weeks till we rang the tv license person/god.

We had to buy one and send an extra 90 euro. Costly but at least now we don't have to go to court and be talked about at work like the guy from the add. The horror!!!

seanbmc · 03-09-2011 02:22AM

Parsley wrote: »

nope.

Good craic.

Daithi 1 · 03-09-2011 02:23AM

seanbmc wrote: »

Lets say I had a large monitor and used the internet to download all my TV shows, I shouldn't have to pay a licence then?

I would suggest you throw a bedsheet over your screen and invite the inspector in for tea, so they wont suspect anythings up like

flutterflye · 03-09-2011 02:24AM

Seriously who cares??
Fcuk this sh1t about monitors and phones etc...:rolleyes:
If you have+use a tv - pay the stupid licence.
If you don't have/use a tv - don't pay.
Simples./

MungBean · 03-09-2011 02:25AM

Daithi 1 wrote: »

I know exactly how it works. I never boards and drink.
Are you an off duty policeman ? a tv license inspector or just a bored over concerned angel citizen ?

Not if you think suspicion has no place in it you dont.

Oh and I'm none of the above, just responding to posts like everyone else. Your not the only one entitled to an opinion.

Daithi 1 · 03-09-2011 02:25AM

flutterflye wrote: »

Seriously who cares??
Fcuk this sh1t about monitors and phones etc...:rolleyes:
If you have+use a tv - pay the stupid licence.
If you don't have/use a tv - don't pay.
Simples./

Problem solved. And here we were discussing it like fools :pac:

Daithi 1 · 03-09-2011 02:28AM

Skunkle wrote: »

Not if you think suspicion has no place in it you dont.

Oh and I'm none of the above, just responding to posts like everyone else. Your not the only one entitled to an opinion.

So, being normal, using your constitutional right not to be intorrigated, randomly, by someone with a phoney badge of presumed authority arrouses suspicion ?
I think you are to far gone my friend.. beyond reasoning with. Good luck

Arianna_26 · 03-09-2011 02:31AM

Don't see why it should get to the court stage. When the inspector calls around invite him to come in and see you don't have a TV, he will take note of it, drama over.

Balfie · 03-09-2011 02:34AM

Daithi 1 wrote: »

You dont need a license. Any information you give them is completely voulentary. MUST is a derivitave of MAY.

You might use your tv for dvd's only, computer games etc.

You are not obliged to answer any questions they have.

You CAN charge them admistration fee's for taking up your time. Say 100 euro for any letters recieved.

See this video and search "tv license inspector" on youtube for more...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPwNgIsH9BA

That guy is an absolute cock!

Daithi 1 · 03-09-2011 02:35AM

Arianna_26 wrote: »

Don't see why it should get to the court stage. When the inspector calls around invite him to come in and see you don't have a TV, he will take note of it, drama over.

I'd rather not give them the satisfaction.

Would you invite a thief in to verify you have nothing worth stealing ?

Tv licence - i dont own a tv..

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