Munster Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread.

CIARAN_BOYLE · 30-08-2011 10:48AM

CatFromHue wrote: »

"His Munster and Irish international colleague Felix Jones, also faces a lengthy spell in rehab. Jones (24) is due to see a specialist next week when a clearer indication of how long his recovery will take can be determined."

The above is very alarming! Realistically we knew Wallace would be out for a fair while but Jones was just meant to be a few weeks I thought. Am I right in that without Jones the full backs would be chosen from Dennis Hurley, Deasy, and Sean Scanlon?

and Johne Murphy

smurphy29 · 30-08-2011 10:50AM

thomond2006 wrote: »

I was reading Midi Olympique yesterday, Mauro Bergasmasco hasn't found a club yet. He would be a good "medical joker" to bring in.

Yes he would. Munster should move quickly and get him in for the season. A very fine player who would have the right mentality for Munster.

CatFromHue · 30-08-2011 10:54AM

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

and Jordan Murphy

Do you mean Johne Murphy?

Either way there is a big gulf in class from Warwick which will cause problems.

phog · 30-08-2011 11:39AM

thomond2006 wrote: »

Cheers Declan.

Bit harsh :eek: these guys would give anything to be on the W/C squad. Look at what Woody and to a lesser degree Fla have gone through to make a W/C.

thomond2006 · 30-08-2011 11:42AM

phog wrote: »

Bit harsh :eek: these guys would give anything to be on the W/C squad. Look at what Woody and to a lesser degree Fla have gone through to make a W/C.

I realise that. I'm not blaming Kidney for the injuries, more a turn of phrase.

Tomtom364 · 30-08-2011 12:51PM

thomond2006 wrote: »

I was reading Midi Olympique yesterday, Mauro Bergasmasco hasn't found a club yet. He would be a good "medical joker" to bring in.

That would be a great move by munster

G Fitz give him a 1 year contract already! :P

profitius · 30-08-2011 06:22PM

smurphy29 wrote: »

Yes he would. Munster should move quickly and get him in for the season. A very fine player who would have the right mentality for Munster.

We have TOD, POM and Ronan to cover 7 so I can't see them signing a new backrow.

I prefer them to stick to what they've got because I think POM will make the breakthrough this season. I think he could be very good.

padraig.od · 30-08-2011 06:27PM

profitius wrote: »

We have TOD, POM and Ronan to cover 7 so I can't see them signing a new backrow.

I prefer them to stick to what they've got because I think POM will make the breakthrough this season. I think he could be very good.

With Wallace injured and Leamy & Ryan at the RWC there's a big chance for some of the young lads to stake a place in the team. Bet McGahan will start Ronan at 7 and probably MOD at 6!

thomond2006 · 30-08-2011 06:29PM

padraig.od wrote: »

With Wallace injured and Leamy & Ryan at the RWC there's a big chance for some of the young lads to stake a place in the team. Bet McGahan will start Ronan at 7 and probably MOD at 6!

There's no way McGahan will start our best available lock at 6, MOD has never played in the backrow since he took over as coach. He will probably play Ronan though.

padraig.od · 30-08-2011 11:29PM

thomond2006 wrote: »

There's no way McGahan will start our best available lock at 6, MOD has never played in the backrow since he took over as coach. He will probably play Ronan though.

MOD to 6 was sarcasm. Any ideas on who will be our starting blindside this weekend?

Tomtom364 · 31-08-2011 12:06AM

padraig.od wrote: »

MOD to 6 was sarcasm. Any ideas on who will be our starting blindside this weekend?

6. P O'Mahony
7. T O'Donnell
8. J Coughlan

20. D O'Callaghan

Thats the team Id prefer to see.
More likely to see:

6. P O'Mahony
7. N Ronan
8. J Coughlan

20. T O'Donnell

thomond2006 · 31-08-2011 06:51PM

La Rochelle (A):
http://www.munsterrugby.ie/matchdaytv/play/media/id/8971

Wasps (H):
http://www.munsterrugby.ie/matchdaytv/play/media/id/8971

London Irish (H):
http://www.munsterrugby.ie/matchdaytv/play/media/id/8971

Cracking atmosphere at the La Rochelle game!

GerM · 31-08-2011 07:22PM

I can see all those that are on stand by for the WC starting or at least getting significant game time. I'm sure DK will want the likes of Hayes, MOD, Horan and Ronan keeping their fitness levels sharp, particularly Ronan as Jennings is the only openside out there. I hope Munster are allowed some leeway because it would be a real missed opportunity not to give the likes of Archer some decent game time in these games. With Botha out, a home game to the Dragons is the perfect type of game to ease some of the young players like him in. Would like to see a pack of:

1. Horan
2. Sherry
3. Archer
4. Nagle
5. MOD
6. TOD
7. POM
8. Coughlan

Should be enough experience in there to see them off whilst ensuring a few younger lads get some solid game time. All things going well, I'd get DOC v2.0 and Foley in there at some point. Would be pleasantly surprised to see that get a good run out.

CiaranMT · 31-08-2011 09:12PM

thomond2006 wrote: »

La Rochelle (A):
http://www.munsterrugby.ie/matchdaytv/play/media/id/8971

Great atmosphere indeed. Who made the last break shown in the clips there?

thomond2006 · 31-08-2011 09:19PM

CiaranMT wrote: »

Great atmosphere indeed. Who made the last break shown in the clips there?

Not sure, he had the build of a back five forward anyway. Nice offload at the end to continue the move.

CiaranMT · 31-08-2011 09:31PM

thomond2006 wrote: »

Not sure, he had the build of a back five forward anyway. Nice offload at the end to continue the move.

Yeah, shrugged off a few players from a standing start too.

shuffol · 31-08-2011 09:37PM

Had to be Peter O'Mahoney or Paddy Butler, my guess O'Mahoney, nice bit of finesse at the end, doubt Butler could do that

Judgement Day · 31-08-2011 09:37PM

Not worth starting a thread on this but a nice item of Munster memorabilia is coming up for sale at Mealy's (Castlecomer) sale on 28th September. Not cheap but what price glory!

Munster Glory Against the All-Blacks
Signed by the Munster Team

Lot.362. Munster R.F.C., Official Match Programme, Munster V. New Zeland, Thomond Park, Limerick, 31st October 1978, 8vo, Limerick 1978, illus. & adverts, Signed on middle-page by the entire Munster Team, ptd. wrappers, very good clean copy; together with a folded sheet of The All Blacks Tour. Scarce. (1)
* Munster beat the All-Blacks on a score-line 12.0 in front of a crowd of 12,000. This was the only time an Irish Team including the National Team have beaten the All-Blacks.
€550-700

http://www.mealys.com/rarebooks/Bidcat/catindex.asp

phog · 31-08-2011 09:49PM

Judgement Day wrote: »

Not worth starting a thread on this but a nice item of Munster memorabilia is coming up for sale at Mealy's (Castlecomer) sale on 28th September. Not cheap but what price glory!

A guy at work has the programme, match ticket, a corner flag from the match and the Limerick Leader supplement with match report and photos - that's some collection.

GerM · 01-09-2011 07:15AM

Interesting interview with Ian Keatley here: http://talkingrugbyunion.co.uk/pro12/ian-keatley-interview

Stand out comment is on the training situation. I'm sure I'm not the only one who thought it would be beneficial for him to be working alongside ROG and learning from him on a daily basis. I wasn't aware that the two training base structure was still so prevalent to the point where IK only gets to train with ROG twice a week and for the rest of the week, the Cork players train in Cork and the Limerick players in Limerick. Ludicrous and surely a compromise has to be reached for Munster to move forward and for the continued development of their young players. Ian Nagle, I assume, is Cork based, for example. You would want him working with POC as much as possible not just on the pitch doing drills but overall exposure to him and his techniques and approach in all aspects of training and attitude.

phog · 01-09-2011 08:17AM

GerM wrote: »

Interesting interview with Ian Keatley here: http://talkingrugbyunion.co.uk/pro12/ian-keatley-interview

Stand out comment is on the training situation. I'm sure I'm not the only one who thought it would be beneficial for him to be working alongside ROG and learning from him on a daily basis. I wasn't aware that the two training base structure was still so prevalent to the point where IK only gets to train with ROG twice a week and for the rest of the week, the Cork players train in Cork and the Limerick players in Limerick. Ludicrous and surely a compromise has to be reached for Munster to move forward and for the continued development of their young players. Ian Nagle, I assume, is Cork based, for example. You would want him working with POC as much as possible not just on the pitch doing drills but overall exposure to him and his techniques and approach in all aspects of training and attitude.

Has ROG trained with Munster this season yet, I'd have thought most of his training would have been in the Irish camp.

BTW - back to the interview, he seems to be an ambitious lad and I hope he realises thoes ambitions while playing for Munster.

leon.healy · 01-09-2011 08:22AM

GerM wrote: »

It would also give Keatley plenty of game time alongside ROG learning the trade and preparing to take the 10 jersey in the next 18 months.

I think that is a very intelligent comment. At his age I don't think ROG will last 80 of EVERY big match next season so It would be great to see Keatley play at 12... learn from ROG(I am not saying that Keatley isn't good already..just that ROG prob has a lot to contribute to his developent as a top class oh) and then make the step up to the 10 shirt.

leon.healy · 01-09-2011 08:24AM

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

Nial Ronan is 28 and not very good. He is a mid quality player who isnt very physical who blocks young talen from getting meaningful game time. I would hope one of the young players get ahead of him.

I agree. I think Ronan's problem is that he is just too small. I have seen him blown off the ball countless times at the breakdown. His upper body isn't big enough to challenge when trying to rip a ball in the maul either. The guy does try hard but I just think he is too small to make a top class forward.

CatFromHue · 01-09-2011 08:27AM

GerM wrote: »

Interesting interview with Ian Keatley here: http://talkingrugbyunion.co.uk/pro12/ian-keatley-interview

Stand out comment is on the training situation. I'm sure I'm not the only one who thought it would be beneficial for him to be working alongside ROG and learning from him on a daily basis. I wasn't aware that the two training base structure was still so prevalent to the point where IK only gets to train with ROG twice a week and for the rest of the week, the Cork players train in Cork and the Limerick players in Limerick. Ludicrous and surely a compromise has to be reached for Munster to move forward and for the continued development of their young players. Ian Nagle, I assume, is Cork based, for example. You would want him working with POC as much as possible not just on the pitch doing drills but overall exposure to him and his techniques and approach in all aspects of training and attitude.

What does their weekly schedule consist of though?

I assume the 2 days they work together is purely field work and there would be 1 day rest during the week. So what do the other two days consist of? Fitness and skills work I'm guessing which could be done in either Cork or Limerick.

Regarding Nagle I'm sure DOC is Cork based who would also be a keen trainer from what I hear.

I get what you mean though. It would be far better as a team if they trained more together, especially for kickers. There seems to be a big reluctance to move to one base though as this argument has been around for years. Didn't Jim Williams have big problems with it? Is it UCC or CIT that have brand new training facilities capable of matching UL's? so the Limerick heads can't say the facilities in Limerick are superior to Cork anymore!

Mr.Applepie · 01-09-2011 08:28AM

GerM wrote: »

I can see all those that are on stand by for the WC starting or at least getting significant game time. I'm sure DK will want the likes of Hayes, MOD, Horan and Ronan keeping their fitness levels sharp, particularly Ronan as Jennings is the only openside out there.

You think Ronan is the next best openside in the country? Faloon, Ryan, JOC are miles better. Hell I'd even bring someone like Ruddock and play him out of position.

We're already wasting a spot on Wallace, I don't think we can afford to waste 2 spots

conf101 · 01-09-2011 08:39AM

Mr.Applepie wrote: »

You think Ronan is the next best openside in the country? Faloon, Ryan, JOC are miles better. Hell I'd even bring someone like Ruddock and play him out of position.

We're already wasting a spot on Wallace, I don't think we can afford to waste 2 spots

Ronan was in the training squad and played the Scotland game though. He may not be the next best in the country but that doesn't mean he's not next in line for a call up from Deccie

GerM · 01-09-2011 09:19AM

Mr.Applepie wrote: »

You think Ronan is the next best openside in the country? Faloon, Ryan, JOC are miles better. Hell I'd even bring someone like Ruddock and play him out of position.

We're already wasting a spot on Wallace, I don't think we can afford to waste 2 spots

No, I think JOC is head and shoulders the next best openside. I think Ronan is the next man they'll call up though in the event of an injury.

GerM · 01-09-2011 09:40AM

CatFromHue wrote: »

What does their weekly schedule consist of though?

I assume the 2 days they work together is purely field work and there would be 1 day rest during the week. So what do the other two days consist of? Fitness and skills work I'm guessing which could be done in either Cork or Limerick.

Regarding Nagle I'm sure DOC is Cork based who would also be a keen trainer from what I hear.

I get what you mean though. It would be far better as a team if they trained more together, especially for kickers. There seems to be a big reluctance to move to one base though as this argument has been around for years. Didn't Jim Williams have big problems with it? Is it UCC or CIT that have brand new training facilities capable of matching UL's? so the Limerick heads can't say the facilities in Limerick are superior to Cork anymore!

I know in terms of the specific training for forwards, they would all be together and set piece work, back line moves would all be done when the group comes together. However, I think there's probably a significant amount that the younger players could absorb from the older lads during the fitness drills and the simpler, non-specific activities whether just in terms of attitude and approach or in terms of the likes of POC and ROG offering advice and talking to the developing players right down to the young lads wanting to push themselves that bit more when in the presence of their heroes.

CIT I believe has a new training facility but that's not going to be the solution. Munster seem insistent on maintaining the two base approach given the attempted expansion in Musgrave. Munster will be very conscious of not isolating a large section of their support by ever moving everything to a single spot although, in all fairness, it would make sense from a purely logistical perspective to have everything in Limerick. Jim Williams was indeed the one who highlighted the difficulty of running a professional team from two bases. It's an odd one. Hopefully some day they can come to a resolution and a middle ground can be sorted.

theboss80 · 01-09-2011 09:57AM

We should just build a massive training complex in Charleville and that would suit everyone being on the border.

phog · 01-09-2011 10:07AM

GerM wrote: »

Jim Williams was indeed the one who highlighted the difficulty of running a professional team from two bases. It's an odd one. Hopefully some day they can come to a resolution and a middle ground can be sorted.

He did indeed raise it and there's some justification in moving to a one centre base like most other clubs/provinces but since then Munster have won the M/L and the H/C twice so it cant be that bad either.

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