David Quinn and Gay Marriage

Wicknight wrote: »

Can you name a Christian organization that works to ban other religions?

You seem to have ignored the points made.

1. Idolatry is not only saying prayers in front of a idol.
2. Christians accentuate the positive rather than ban the negative. they would encourage christian worship and discourage the homosexual lifestyle rather than ban homosexuality or satanism. In fact pagans worshiping naked at Celtic monuments while not encouraged would not be found to be as bad as human sacrifice or mistreatment of other people by pagan rituals or traditions.


The issue isn't one of banning homosexuality. It is of making gay marriage legal.

Do you agree that Christians do not attempt to make illegal everything that is a sin in the Bible, that they make a distinction between sins?

As I have already stated, the promotion of homosexual lifestyle was not instigated by the Church and there are many many things the church also opposes which don't suit the media to promote such as poverty (of the spirit and physical poverty) for example. I would reckon Priests preach and the church produces reams more pronouncements on poverty, war, famine etc. than on homosexuality. The idea that the Church is fixated on homosexuality to the neglect of other things they should be opposing (in line with their own policies) is a myth.

I have no idea why you keep making that point, no one ever claimed it was nor is it a justification to just say everyone else does it.

You are the one who keeps harping on about the myth of the church being fixated on homosexuality above all else. You are the one who is claiming Christians are foisting laws on non Christians and that that isn't fair. I'm only showing you Jews Muslims and non believers all agree with these laws or lack of them. the conspiracy theory of Papal control and final approval over what the law says is another myth.

The incidences are not tiny. Since the 1970s thousands of homosexual couples have adopted children in America.

How many children have been adopted in the world since the 1970s? How many marriages have happened since the 1970s. Hundreds of millions at least I reckon? The instances are TINY and geographically restricted.

Christians in the UK Ireland and America have called on gay marriage to be specifically banned, precisely because they fear that marriage will simply be redefined.

Gay politicians in Ireland have called for Civil partnerships rather than calling any arangement "marriage" precisely because Marriage has a religious connotation.

And the State is on the verge of recognizing that any couple, heterosexual or homosexual, can marry. No objection from you?

It is apparently also on the verge of banning Priests from remaining silent about confessions. LOL! What I personally think is beside the point. I am just trying to represent was I think is the Christian viewpoint.

Laws change. It was clearly defined that a man cannot rape his wife at one point.

So if the law said adults can have sex with children then that would be alright with you and it would suddenly become acceptable?

The point anyway is the law as it stands is what you are arguing about and not some fantasy law which does not exist.

Not with legal methods. Can you explain why?

Yes with both legal and extra legal and meta legal methods. But as St Paul said "Sin existed before the law".

Nonsense. Worship is a specific thing, so is idotary. You are talking about desire, which is not the same thing at all.

No Im not just talking about regulating greed as a desire. I'm talking about regulating actions based on that . Red line scandals, insider trading, inadequate risk assessment etc.

Good. So when the law is changed to allow homosexual marriage you will not oppose this nor will you try to have it banned.

What I do is beside the point. The point is Christians dont believe in homosexual marriage. They are happy to allow legislation which allows homosexuals and non homosexuals to make arrangements provide for other people who are not family members according to the current law. That solves the inheritance and property issues. Redefining marriage and the family is a separate issue. Christians would oppose this. AS would muslims , Jews Confucians Taoists etc.

Who mentioned devil worship?

You did. Idolatry and laws against it remember?
One can't serve God and Mammon. Mammon being a demon.

Wealth regarded as an evil influence or false object of worship and devotion. It was taken by medieval writers as the name of the devil of covetousness, and revived in this sense by Milton

By the way some Christians regard having statues or Icons as idolatry. But this is "worship2 in a different sense to worshiping money as I have pointed out. Idolatry isn't only just praying to a statue or totem.

I'm talking about other religions, eg hindism.

Christianity would see some of the message of God is present in other religions but not all of it. In that way they don't oppose other religions but they do point out the missing parts or anti Christian parts. for example the caste system and the idea that people deserve poverty would be opposed by Christians.

Should they be banned? They worship false gods.

Christianity would say the institutionalisation of the bad elements such as the caste system should be opposed just as institutionalising the gay lifestyle should be opposed as being bad for society.

Greed is not worship, as I'm sure you are well aware.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mammon
Mammon is a term, derived from the Christian Bible, used to describe material wealth or greed, most often personified as a deity
...as I am sure you are aware?

How did that attempt to ban the worship of false gods, given that we established that greed and desire is not worship of false gods.

Asked and answered.

Did Trocaire attempt to make Hindism in Ireland illegal?

It attempts to discourage the institutionalisation of poverty by any political or religious system which might for example worship mammon to the extent of denying basic needs to the poor.