Michael Moore - Greatest American Alive Today??

Cybercubed · 26-08-2011 04:04PM #1

I was watching some of Michael Moore's movies, and to be honest with you I'm a huge fan of his. Follow him on twitter and everything.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpKoN40K7mA

I find him a rare breed of American, somebody who is actually bothered to go great lengths and ask questions many other americans refuse to ask. The sheer hypocrisy of American culture. Most of the American media refused to ask questions about the Iraq war and rather sickenly cheerleaded it instead. 70% of Americans supported the invasion initially.

Has anyone ever seen his assault on CNN a few years back when criticised him on healthcare?? Totally destroyed them (start at 4:00)

To me he's perfect for what we need, I almost wonder whether he's worth a shout for a face on mount rushmore if a single payer healthcare system ever got passed.

I find him simply amazing, almost god like. Simply brilliant. Just imagine what it would be like if he was in charge of Ireland. Greatest living American?? I think so.

Dravokivich · 26-08-2011 04:05PM

huh? He's just like that shower in people before profit. All he does is look for flaws and moans about them.

Cianos · 26-08-2011 04:06PM

Biased and sensationalist, kinda like those he documents

INEEDANID · 26-08-2011 04:06PM

Mount Rushmore wouldnt be big enough to have his head on it!!

I enjoy his films though and have read some of his books. Good guy.

Temptamperu · 26-08-2011 04:06PM

I like his books and movies i suppose, but i would say the greatest american is Jon Stewart on the Daily Show :cool:

Sunnyisland · 26-08-2011 04:08PM

He is just to much one sided for me, he started out with great intentions but got lost in his own hatred of bush etc

keano_afc · 26-08-2011 04:08PM

I think you either love him or hate him.

I did enjoy him making Charlton Heston look like a mug though. Thumbs up for Roger and Me too. I think when he's not shining the spotlight on himself he has some good things to say. Its rare though.

3ndahalfof6 · 26-08-2011 04:14PM

when he lined up beside the Fridge for the NY Giants, I think even Kunte Kinte cried.

rockmongrel · 26-08-2011 04:16PM

Dravokivich wrote: »

huh? He's just like that shower in people before profit. All he does is look for flaws and moans about them.

While I would have problems with Michael Moore and PBPA, do this not seem like a perfectly reasonable thing to do?...

KenHy · 26-08-2011 04:21PM

He was great, a humorous look at seroious topics, think he's got a bit lost in his own bias with some of his more reccent stuff.

edit - Just watched the video! Don't think you could say he destroyed them, he cant hide his biased agro.

Dravokivich · 26-08-2011 04:22PM

rockmongrel wrote: »

While I would have problems with Michael Moore and PBPA, do this not seem like a perfectly reasonable thing to do?...

Nope, moaning doesn't fix anything.

Herb Powell · 26-08-2011 04:22PM

Don't believe everything he says
obviously.

Badgermonkey · 26-08-2011 04:24PM

Michael Moore -Trolling for Columbine

Borat_Sagdiyev · 26-08-2011 04:25PM

Michael Moore - Greatest American Alive Today??

Depends on what your definition of what that word is

Seriously though, used to be into his films in a major way until I realised that he is just a filmmaker - he will edit things to make for a better story despite the facts. His films are still entertaining though, as long as you take them with a pinch of salt.

EDIT: He also plays up the "Hey, I'm just like the average Joe American" angle too much. FFS how can he be like the average Joe when he's got bajillions in the bank making money from films that are in general made for very little.

iceman777 · 26-08-2011 04:26PM

I like parts of his documentaries for the sensationalism and entertainment value, but he can't keep on track and seems to find someone to blame for the topic that is in fact so unattached from it.

For example, virtually blaming Walmart for the Columbine shootings and Wall Street for the financial failure in America, when in fact it is the person on the street that went looking for sub-prime mortgages and willingly signed the contracts.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 26-08-2011 04:27PM

he's a fat lying sack of ****

longshanks · 26-08-2011 04:28PM

He is a multi million dollar industry complaining about other multi million dollar industries.

Sonics2k · 26-08-2011 04:30PM

Used to love him, then I actually read up on him properly and listened to what he's actually saying.

He's as a bad as Fox News, just comes at it from the other side.
He's a real one for leaving out key details, skipping over facts and edits his videos in such a way he makes his target seem like the bad guy.

Yes he brings up some good points now and then, I just don't see any real difference between him and Fox aside from the political point of view.

Zebra3 · 26-08-2011 04:34PM

Cybercubed wrote: »

Michael Moore - Greatest American Alive Today??

Nope, Noam Chomsky is.

lastlaugh · 26-08-2011 04:36PM

keano_afc wrote: »

I think you either love him or hate him.

I did enjoy him making Charlton Heston look like a mug though. Thumbs up for Roger and Me too. I think when he's not shining the spotlight on himself he has some good things to say. Its rare though.

I would have enjoyed it if Heston pointed a Rifle at him and ordered his fat ass off his property.
Going there under false pretenses and trying to show him up as a bigot?
Big fat tosser.

Chuck Stone · 26-08-2011 04:41PM

He's a refreshing antidote to the corporate media.

His stuff is a bit questionable though.

Sonics2k · 26-08-2011 04:42PM

Just watched the video.

Moore comes across as a total ass in this video, constantly interrupts and refuses to answer questions directed at him. Instead he just rants about other issues and tries to make everyone else seem like the bad guy.

Blaming a reporter on CNN for events of the war in Iraq, blaming the Doctor for a variety of nonsense.

Honestly, this video just put me off him entirely.

Standman · 26-08-2011 04:47PM

The sheer hypocrisy of american culture

He's not immune from that as far as I can see.

Da Shins Kelly · 26-08-2011 04:54PM

He is well intended I think, but gets a little caught up in the hysteria of it all and ends up coming off as a bit sensationalist. Bowling For Columbine was a good documentary though.

Grumpypants · 26-08-2011 05:06PM

He is a liar and a hypocrite who has screwed over anyone he can to make himself money. He makes pathetic "films" that are no better than the ridiculous "life story" sections of the X-Factor. He is loved by the sound bite educated generation that are too lazy to actually go and find out things for themselves. He has used his friends, dead children and grieving mothers to make himself a very rich man.

When a film maker does something like the "From my cold dead hands" scene where he takes a speech made months before a child was shot then cuts it to look like he made that speech 2 days after the accident they loose all credibility.

RichieC · 26-08-2011 05:34PM

he's certainly great..

I do like him though.

RichieC · 26-08-2011 05:36PM

Grumpypants wrote: »

He is a liar and a hypocrite who has screwed over anyone he can to make himself money. He makes pathetic "films" that are no better than the ridiculous "life story" sections of the X-Factor. He is loved by the sound bite educated generation that are too lazy to actually go and find out things for themselves. He has used his friends, dead children and grieving mothers to make himself a very rich man.

When a film maker does something like the "From my cold dead hands" scene where he takes a speech made months before a child was shot then cuts it to look like he made that speech 2 days after the accident they loose all credibility.

he is biased and has an agenda.. give me more people like him and less like the "hard nosed" faux right that occupies these forums.

--Kaiser-- · 26-08-2011 05:36PM

Zebra3 wrote: »

Nope, Noam Chomsky is.

I would have said maybe Nicholas Taleb, but definitely not Michael Moore

26-08-2011 05:45PM

Moore is an opportunist who in his work repeatedy lies in order to appear like some middle class savour puttingbit to the man. Roger and Me is based on the fact that Roger refused to meet Moore for an interview, the fact the he did in fact meet with Moore a number of times and film interviews is never mentioned as it would mess with Moores agenda. The whole Heston interview was disgraceful, he interviewed a sick, frail old man and then edited the footage in such a way as to portray Heston in a negative light.

People who have worked with Moore are not fans, Ive heard a few first hand that he is a pompous, nasty piece of work. Actual documentary filmmakers dislike him immensely, there were some great quotes out there from people like Albert Maysles who despise Moore.

SamHarris · 26-08-2011 05:51PM

Cybercubed wrote: »

I was watching some of Michael Moore's movies, and to be honest with you I'm a huge fan of his. Follow him on twitter and everything.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpKoN40K7mA

I find him a rare breed of American, somebody who is actually bothered to go great lengths and ask questions many other americans refuse to ask. The sheer hypocrisy of American culture. Most of the American media refused to ask questions about the Iraq war and rather sickenly cheerleaded it instead. 70% of Americans supported the invasion initially.

Has anyone ever seen his assault on CNN a few years back when criticised him on healthcare?? Totally destroyed them (start at 4:00)

To me he's perfect for what we need, I almost wonder whether he's worth a shout for a face on mount rushmore if a single payer healthcare system ever got passed.

I find him simply amazing, almost god like. Simply brilliant. Just imagine what it would be like if he was in charge of Ireland. Greatest living American?? I think so.

Culture can be hypocritcal now to?

The man is a fat mess, journalistically incompetant and dishonest, he has been routinely caught leaving out details that are key to understanding conscepts he insists on criticising.

He is not even a good documentary maker, and even the best would be pretty far from the greatest living American.

Even if your standards were television/ movies there is nothing you would consider better informed, more clever and more balanced? If there was some guy doing the same on the right he would be one of the most hated people on earth... This mans dishonesty is no less obvious than Bill O'Reilly's.

You honeslt cant think of anyone better in a country that sequenced the human genome, put a man on the moon and is at the cutting edge of IT? I weep for people these days...

Da Shins Kelly · 26-08-2011 05:58PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The whole Heston interview was disgraceful, he interviewed a sick, firing man and then edited the footage in such a way as to portray Heston in a negative light.

I would agree with this. A lot of people seem to think that the Charlton Heston interview was great because it finally showed Heston up, but the man was sick at the time of the interview, having been diagnosed with Alzheimer's, and was also ambushed at his own home. The questions Moore put to him in the interview were arguably unanswerable and quite difficult for a man that was not really in a healthy state of mind to be answering them.

Michael Moore - Greatest American Alive Today??

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