"Of being able to bow to the past, but not be bound by it." Queen Elisabeth IIt

who the fug · 23-08-2011 03:20PM

getz wrote: »

it get even worse of that 6p about 2p of that money pays for the extra costs of actually being part of the EU,the UK is the second largest net contributor[-4 billion per year] so the UK and germany recieve =net=nothing.

Except access to a very large free market, whilst not perfect is the way forward

getz · 23-08-2011 03:36PM

who the fug wrote: »

Except access to a very large free market, whilst not perfect is the way forward

to be honest i have never been a lover of any organization that put a tariffs on trade,many poor countries have had to turn their food production lands to none food products that cannot be grown in the EU so to be able to trade,the EU with other tariff states have been accused of being part of the problem when famine hits the third world,

Seanchai · 23-08-2011 03:36PM

Laminations wrote: »

NI is Britain.

. That should be news to people who actually live over in Britain.

The Waltzing Consumer · 23-08-2011 03:39PM

Seanchai wrote: »

. That should be news to people who actually live over in Britain.

I don't think he meant literally. The north is part of the united kingdom of great britain and northern ireland, but not physically part of the island of Britain. Can we not move on from such trivial things?

who the fug · 23-08-2011 03:47PM

getz wrote: »

to be honest i have never been a lover of any organization that put a tariffs on trade,many poor countries have had to turn their food production lands to none food products that cannot be grown in the EU so to be able to trade,the EU with other tariff states have been accused of being part of the problem when famine hits the third world,

Not disputing that, the dumping of surplus in the third world is a disgrace and shoud be stopped

ardmacha · 23-08-2011 03:57PM

I don't think he meant literally.

He knew what he meant, perfectly well.
But it was useful for someone to point out that this is nonsense.

NI is ruled by Britain, it is not Britain.

Fratton Fred · 23-08-2011 04:00PM

ardmacha wrote: »

He knew what he meant, perfectly well.
But it was useful for someone to point out that this is nonsense.

NI is ruled by Britain, it is not Britain.

No, Northern Ireland is part of the United Kingdom and proportionately has an equal representation.

Laminations · 23-08-2011 04:03PM

Seanchai wrote: »

. That should be news to people who actually live over in Britain.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britain
The first option.

Laminations · 23-08-2011 04:09PM

ardmacha wrote: »

He knew what he meant, perfectly well.
But it was useful for someone to point out that this is nonsense.

NI is ruled by Britain, it is not Britain.

Yes it is.

The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland (commonly known as the United Kingdom, the UK or Britain) is a sovereign state located off the north-western coast of continental Europe.

Great Britain is the island to our east which includes England, Scotland and Wales. But the UK or Britain also includes Norther Ireland. NI is not simply ruled by Britain, it is British and it will be until a majority there decide otherwise

The Waltzing Consumer · 23-08-2011 04:11PM

Laminations wrote: »

Yes it is.

Great Britain is the island to our east which includes England, Scotland and Wales. But the UK or Britain also includes Norther Ireland. NI is not simply ruled by Britain, it is British and it will be until a majority there decide otherwise

Ah come on lads, this is AH standards, should be a better standard for politics forum. Do we really need a few pages of "it's britain" "no it's not" "yes it is" etc?

Laminations · 23-08-2011 04:22PM

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

Ah come on lads, this is AH standards, should be a better standard for politics forum. Do we really need a few pages of "it's britain" "no it's not" "yes it is" etc?

It is essentially the UK which is my point. I don't want to get into pedantry. I'm still looking for an answer to who all these servants of the Queen are and why they should be shipped back to mainland Britain when the majority wants to remain in the UK. Is the poster including the majority of Catholics of NI that want to be in the UK?

The Waltzing Consumer · 23-08-2011 04:29PM

Laminations wrote: »

It is essentially the UK which is my point. I don't want to get into pedantry. I'm still looking for an answer to who all these servants of the Queen are and why they should be shipped back to mainland Britain when the majority wants to remain in the UK. Is the poster including the majority of Catholics of NI that want to be in the UK?

Hell, if you have some guys who are ultra catholic and love the vatican, f**k them and you can send them to the UK if you want, we don't want them and can you take ours too?

Secondly, isn't the mainland the European continent? ya know, France.

But the discussion should move on I think. A better debate is needed.

Fratton Fred · 23-08-2011 04:46PM

Back to Liz for a moment. I think you have to acknowledge the fact that she didn't mess around whilst she was here.

She could have kissed a few babies and patted a few horse (or vice versa), but she chose where to visit and certainly picked her spots well.

Standing next to an Irish President and observing a minutes silence at the gardens of remembrance was a huge thing.

Laminations · 23-08-2011 04:48PM

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

Hell, if you have some guys who are ultra catholic and love the vatican, f**k them and you can send them to the UK if you want, we don't want them and can you take ours too?

Secondly, isn't the mainland the European continent? ya know, France.

But the discussion should move on I think. A better debate is needed.

I think an answer is required.

anymore wrote: »

Circa 20% 0f British people do want a monarchy.

I responded. 'So, the majority of NI want to be in the UK'

anymore wrote: »

Then i suggest we should borrow another hundred million euros to subsidise them on their journey back to Brittain , - better make that England as the unruly Scots are not all that keen to be part of the UK anymore.

anymore wrote: »

Of course we in the Republic are already subsdising her majesty's citizens in the six counties of ireland to the tune of a few hundred million so facilitiating thier return to the Mother Country shouldnt be a huge difference to us.

anymore wrote: »

Maybe her majesty could use Great Windsor Park to build a new town for her long lost subjects and of course there is Sandringham as well - not to mention the Prince of Wales's estates.

anymore wrote: »

Try to think of the land mass of the six counties as being on temporary loan to her Majesy's Government - a bit like the lease of Hong Kong except without the formalities.

I want to know who the poster thinks should be repatriated and why. And how can one be repatriated found land that is part of that country/kingdom?

blahfckingblah · 23-08-2011 05:07PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

She could have kissed a few babies and patted a few horse (or vice versa),

Funny

Seanchai · 23-08-2011 05:49PM

Laminations wrote: »

But the UK or Britain also includes Norther Ireland. NI is not simply ruled by Britain, it is British and it will be until a majority there decide otherwise

The UK and Britain are not synonymous, no matter how much this rather remedial observation upsets British nationalists (particularly those living in the North of Ireland). Even the UK government's Home Office states: ''The name "Britain" or "Great Britain" specifically refers only to England, Scotland and Wales, not to Northern Ireland.' ( Life in the UK: a journey to citizenship).

If that's not an explicit enough rejection of those who equate the UK with Britain, then there's clearly a different agenda going on for them (you?).

By the way, choosing between some nationalistically-minded British editors on Wikipedia or the official line from the UK government, I'd be under the impression the latter carries more weight over in Britain.

Laminations · 23-08-2011 05:56PM

Fine. NI is part of the UK (commonly though incorrectly referred to as Britain).

So being part of the UK where is the poster I was addressing suggesting we repatriate NI citizens? And whom are they suggesting be repatriated? And who are they claiming is doing the greater amount of subsidising?

The fact that you defer judgement to the UK government in deciding how NI should be referred to tells me that aside from tour semantic argument you agree that it is essentially Britains land.

ardmacha · 23-08-2011 09:36PM

Fine. NI is part of the UK (commonly though incorrectly referred to as Britain).

Can we please put this into a terminology sticky for this forum?

anymore · 23-08-2011 10:22PM

Laminations wrote: »

I think an answer is required.

I responded. 'So, the majority of NI want to be in the UK'

I want to know who the poster thinks should be repatriated and why. And how can one be repatriated found land that is part of that country/kingdom?

I suppose in such a long epistle, it is understandable that your last sentence, rather like that artificial entity, the six counties, should make no sense.

gbee · 23-08-2011 11:34PM

The English market seems to have been positively impacted, overall her visit seems to have been OK.

1saddude · 24-08-2011 12:34AM

It'll be a cold day in hell when the English ever acknowledge any wrongdoing they ever did while most of the perpetrators and victims are still alive. The entire thing was a farce. If the English feel so bad they can give back Northern Ireland.

Chuck Stone · 24-08-2011 01:47AM

Laminations wrote: »

Is the poster including the majority of Catholics of NI that want to be in the UK? keep their public sector jobs and welfare cheques flowing?

Fixed your post.

More power to them I guess for as long as it's sustainable.

anymore · 24-08-2011 10:17AM

Thonking about the thread title, it is certainly accurate in some respects.
The queen of england saw fit to honour the commanding officer of the parachute regiment which delibrately set out to and did murder 13 innocent citizens on Bloody Sunday. She knew full well she was honouring a killer - but the victim,s were only ' Papist', so it didnt matter.
More recently a member of the notorious parachute regiment was also honoured:

In 2004 " British paratrooper who was on Derry's streets on Bloody Sunday has been appointed an MBE in the New Year's honours list"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2004/jan/04/northernireland.bloodysunday

To further signal the Royal approval of this most murderous bunch of thugs, Prince Charles was made and became Colonel-in-Chief of the Parachute Regiment in 1977.
So you see the pretty little speeches the Windsor woman makes in the former colonies for PR purposes mean nothing whatsoever, it is what she and her toadies actaully do which reveal the real Windsors.
Oh dont forget the way the Windsors hounded the misfortunate Diana Windsor.

getz · 24-08-2011 10:44AM

anymore wrote: »

Thonking about the thread title, it is certainly accurate in some respects.
The queen of england saw fit to honour the commanding officer of the parachute regiment which delibrately set out to and did murder 13 innocent citizens on Bloody Sunday. She knew full well she was honouring a killer - but the victim,s were only ' Papist', so it didnt matter.
More recently a member of the notorious parachute regiment was also honoured:

In 2004 " British paratrooper who was on Derry's streets on Bloody Sunday has been appointed an MBE in the New Year's honours list"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2004/jan/04/northernireland.bloodysunday

To further signal the Royal approval of this most murderous bunch of thugs, Prince Charles was made and became Colonel-in-Chief of the Parachute Regiment in 1977.
So you see the pretty little speeches the Windsor woman makes in the former colonies for PR purposes mean nothing whatsoever, it is what she and her toadies actaully do which reveal the real Windsors.
Oh dont forget the way the Windsors hounded the misfortunate Diana Windsor.

you forgot the bit about the irish goverment paying money to the IRA terrorist,for their defence fund.

anymore · 24-08-2011 12:39PM

gbee wrote: »

The English market seems to have been positively impacted, overall her visit seems to have been OK.

I quite agree some areas were cleaned up and it is to the undying shame of the Cork City Council and its Councillors and the City's TDs that it took a visit by a foreign monarch to clean up the parts of the city that the english eyes might fall upon - problem is that roads adjacent to the cleaned up areas were left looking like sh*t.
So I suppose some credit must be given to the Queen here and I have to admit also, shamefacedly, that the majority of english local authorities would not allow Cork to have become such an eyesore - so criticising the english monarchy and government is something of a double edged sword.

vellocet · 24-08-2011 03:41PM

dsmythy wrote: »

Are the figures out yet?

Yes. They are down.

All that fawning for nowt.

Laminations · 24-08-2011 04:13PM

vellocet wrote: »

Yes. They are down.

All that fawning for nowt.

Source?

All the figures I've seen show they are up on last year and up compared to other European destinations (apart from emerging holiday markets in the new accession countries)

vellocet · 24-08-2011 04:43PM

Laminations wrote: »

Source?

All the figures I've seen show they are up on last year and up compared to other European destinations (apart from emerging holiday markets in the new accession countries)

Certainly

http://www.cso.ie/releasespublications/documents/tourism_travel/2011/overseastravel_q22011.pdf

100,000 less Britons visted Ireland in the quarter 2 this year over q2 2010.

who the fug · 24-08-2011 04:48PM

vellocet wrote: »

Yes. They are down.

All that fawning for nowt.

Fawn harder

to be honest, ROI of is way to expensive to get to (Ferry / Car Hire ) and get about in, so you can only do so much by kissing Brenda arse but you have to solve the cost problem first

vellocet · 24-08-2011 04:55PM

who the fug wrote: »

Fawn harder

to be honest, ROI of is way to expensive to get to (Ferry / Car Hire ) and get about in, so you can only do so much by kissing Brenda arse but you have to solve the cost problem first

That is my point. The idea that Britons would arrive here en masse if the trip went well, or boycott the place if it kicked off was crude and clumsy fearmongering.

"Of being able to bow to the past, but not be bound by it." Queen Elisabeth IIt

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