Do The guards do their jobs anymore?

allibastor · 21-08-2011 09:39AM #1

Hi All,

Not sure if this is right place for it, so please move if required.thanks.

Just wanted to ask if anyone feels the guards do thier jobs anymore? not a huge problem on my end, have very very ignorant neighbours who had a massive party last night for teenage son. had really loud music all night with microphones for them to shout into. then a load of the teens headed around the estate looking for someone, not sure who, but stopped outside my house and shouting thier heads off. told them to clear off and a few tried to fight, just laughed it off and two of the other lads pulled thier friends back.

rang the guards then about the party, said they would look into it. rang them again about an hour later and said the would look into it again, other neighbours also rang as was talking to them outside. rang again at around midnight, guards said they called up but the people didnt turn down the music. then said there was nothing they could do about it, nothing about the loud noise, the fact that 15-17 yr old were drinking, the fact they were running around the estate looking for fights.

just wanted to know if anyone else feels the guards dont really do much. you always see reports of how people have rang the gurads and there is nothing done about it.

thanks.

Gary4279 · 21-08-2011 09:42AM

In my experience 99% of Gaurds do their job very well. The public have to remember that they're under resourced and its a very stressful job. Any short comings of the gaurds is mainly down to the lack of funding. Having said that, ive met a few right bell ends in blue.

Fozzydog3 · 21-08-2011 09:45AM

Did it occur to you that they were busy stopping crimes ?

Mr.Crinklewood · 21-08-2011 09:50AM

Gardai do their jobs, like all industries there will be on or two bad eggs and lazy shoites.

In relation to your own issue, God knows they may have had an more important issue to deal with than some youths.

Hunter Mahan · 21-08-2011 09:56AM

There is nothing they can do about noisy parties legally, and as a result you would have to imagine that the 'priority' given to such calls would be minimal.

What are you going to do today about the incident, other than moan?

Are you going to talk to your neighbours and lodge a complaint to the homeowner, residents committee (if you have one), and come Monday morning are you going to post a letter to the local council or dept of environment outlining the events and noise levels?

This country is full of spoon-fed, spoilt, moany brats, this country and it's inhabitants really need to grow a pair and take responsibility.

Sofa King Great · 21-08-2011 09:57AM

The reason they didn't send in the eru straight away and get the dog unit in was probably that they were in fact busy doing their jobs.

Noise is a civil matter, not a criminal matter.

Forest Master · 21-08-2011 09:58AM

Maybe on a Saturday night they had more important things to be doing than looking into a non-violent, non-disruptive party? Probably thousands going on all around the country - drunk & noisy people, but not causing any significant disruption except to busy-bodies.
I have an 11 month-old baby - and IMO, Friday & Saturday nights are fair game for parties - my neighbours have had a few - I've just dealt with it. They're entitled to entertain their friends & have some fun. Singstar until 4am can be irritating, but it's fair game. As long as it isn't a work-night or a constant issue.

Gordon · 21-08-2011 10:01AM

just wanted to know if anyone else feels the guards dont really do much.

It's a shame that a whole profession has been dissed from your single experience of them. Especially when it wasn't much of a problem for you

allibastor wrote: »

not a huge problem on my end

opinion guy · 21-08-2011 10:02AM

All you sarcasm-captains seem to be ignoring the fact that teenagers were walking around spoiling for a fight. Assault is a criminal offence

allibastor · 21-08-2011 10:02AM

Hunter Mahan wrote: »

There is nothing they can do about noisy parties legally, and as a result you would have to imagine that the 'priority' given to such calls would be minimal.

What are you going to do today about the incident, other than moan?

Are you going to talk to your neighbours and lodge a complaint to the homeowner, residents committee (if you have one), and come Monday morning are you going to post a letter to the local council or dept of environment outlining the events and noise levels?

This country is full of spoon-fed, spoilt, moany brats, this country and it's inhabitants really need to grow a pair and take responsibility.

yes, i spoke to neighbours yesterday, before the party started as they were setting up and kept shouting itno the microphone, they just closed the door on me. my next door neighbour who is on the residence committee also had to call the guards as the lads jumped into thier back garden.

what do you mean by take responsibility? surely the responsible thing to do was to ring the guards instead of going out and leathering into a group of young lads.

also i know that a lot of guards are good at what they do, but a lot of times you are hearing more and more about thefts, etc that go un-answered or the like. i know the guards are very under resourced, like everything is at the moment, but is it not the right of a person to be able to access this resource and expect a bit of a result?

Forest Master · 21-08-2011 10:05AM

opinion guy wrote: »

All you sarcasm-captains seem to be ignoring the fact that teenagers were walking around spoiling for a fight. Assault is a criminal offence

And you seem to be ignoring the fact that there was no fight. "O haigh Garda - yeah, there might be a fight happening soon - come quick!!" Yeah - top priority on the busiest night of the week...

meoklmrk91 · 21-08-2011 10:06AM

I have to say that they don't come more often than not when called, the vast majority are grand once you can actually get them to come out, but getting them there is the issue.

allibastor · 21-08-2011 10:06AM

Gordon wrote: »

It's a shame that a whole profession has been dissed from your single experience of them. Especially when it wasn't much of a problem for you

also, its not the whole profession i am dissing, i dodnt say " jesus the guards are completly useless lot who could not find tits at a strip club" i just asked if people feel that they do perform tasks. i know the guards have a bigger picture of killings, drugs, human trafficing etc to deal with. i am not that niave to think that they are completly useless. and didnt say that. and the party wasnt the problem, it was the lads looking around to fight with people. i dont mind parties but when you have 2 small children and they are shouting all night its a bit much

Sofa King Great · 21-08-2011 10:07AM

opinion guy wrote: »

All you sarcasm-captains seem to be ignoring the fact that teenagers were walking around spoiling for a fight. Assault is a criminal offence

My read of it was that they "tried to fight" but their other friends stopped it.

Assault might be a criminal offence but there was no assault according to the op

Sofa King Great · 21-08-2011 10:10AM

allibastor wrote: »

also, its not the whole profession i am dissing,

thread title: Do the guards do their jobs anymore?

allibastor · 21-08-2011 10:10AM

Sofa King Great wrote: »

My read of it was that they "tried to fight" but their other friends stopped it.

Assault might be a criminal offence but there was no assault according to the op

the only reason there was no fight was because i laughed it off. the friends only pulled the other guys back after i told them to, one guy had tried to square up to me and threated my partner. if i not laughed it off there would have been a fight, but some of the lads did have a bit of common decency to be fair to them.

Hunter Mahan · 21-08-2011 10:11AM

You have to take responsibility now by following it through and deal with this civil matter yourself, by contacting the dept of environment and local council. This could go someway to preventing the same thing happening again.

teol · 21-08-2011 10:12AM

Noise Complaints have nothing got to do with the gardaí

Making a complaint
You should approach the person or business causing the noise and explain that it is a nuisance and try to come to a mutually acceptable solution. If this does not work, your local authority has the same power as individuals to bring noise complaints to the District Court. In addition, local authorities have similar powers to the Environmental Protection Agency in relation to premises, processes and works other than those that require licensing under the Environmental Protection Agency Act. The Environmental Protection Agency can require the person or body to take specific measures to prevent or limit noise. Anyone required to take such specific measures by the Environmental Protection Agency must do so or face prosecution.

If you wish to make a complaint to the District Court, you are not required to be represented by a solicitor, however, you may engage the assistance of a solicitor to help prepare your noise complaint and present this in court. You should consult with the Clerk of your local District Court about an appointment for the hearing of your case and refer precisely to the law relating to your case (Section 108 of the Environmental Protection Agency Act 1992 and the Environmental Protection Agency Act 1992 (Noise) Regulations 1994 (SI No. 179 of 1994).

The appointment for the hearing of your case must be at least 7 days later than the date on which you inform the person responsible for the noise nuisance that you will be taking your case to court. You must use a Environmental Protection Agency Act 1992 - noise form of notice to inform the person or business that you will be taking them to court. It is important that you use this form of notice only and that you complete it fully and accurately.

The District Court will call both parties together and listens to both sides of the case. If the court finds in your favour, it can order the person or body to limit the noise, reduce the level of noise or stop the noise completely. Any Orders made by the court must be complied with.

Penalties for breach of law

The maximum fine for conviction on breach of noise regulations is €3,000 or 12 months in prison or both.

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/environment/environmental_protection/noise_regulations.html

Sunnyisland · 21-08-2011 10:13AM

Got there just before me :-)

allibastor · 21-08-2011 10:16AM

Hi Teol,

thanks for that. but who do you contact at three in the morning when this is a persistant problem, if the person is not willing to alter thier attitude. and again, the noise wasnt the most problematic thing, it was the lads going around looking for trouble.

allibastor · 21-08-2011 10:19AM

Sofa King Great wrote: »

thread title: Do the guards do their jobs anymore?

would you like it if i put a really long thread topic on the page instead. it wasnt a general bashing saying something like, got the guards are useless all the time, or something like that. maybe it was not the best title. but someone not doing there job could also mean not doing all of the job.

Sunnyisland · 21-08-2011 10:20AM

A general overview is that under Irish law, you are entitled to bring complaints about specific neighbourhood noise to the District Court

teol · 21-08-2011 10:21AM

allibastor wrote: »

Hi Teol,

thanks for that. but who do you contact at three in the morning when this is a persistant problem, if the person is not willing to alter thier attitude. and again, the noise wasnt the most problematic thing, it was the lads going around looking for trouble.

Here is advice from Dublin City Council.

http://www.dublincity.ie/WaterWasteEnvironment/AirQualityMonitoringandNoiseControl/NoisePollution/Pages/NoisyNeighbourComplaint.aspx

Forest Master · 21-08-2011 10:22AM

allibastor wrote: »

would you like it if i put a really long thread topic on the page instead. it wasnt a general bashing saying something like, got the guards are useless all the time, or something like that. maybe it was not the best title. but someone not doing there job could also mean not doing all of the job.

Eh, the thread title doesn't have to be long-winded - just more accurate. Like: "Guards ignore my noise complaint".

allibastor · 21-08-2011 10:27AM

Forest Master wrote: »

Eh, the thread title doesn't have to be long-winded - just more accurate. Like: "Guards ignore my noise complaint".

as said, wasnt so much the noise as it was lads going around looking for a fight, shouting outside houses, jumping into back gardens etc.

opinion guy · 21-08-2011 10:27AM

Forest Master wrote: »

And you seem to be ignoring the fact that there was no fight. "O haigh Garda - yeah, there might be a fight happening soon - come quick!!" Yeah - top priority on the busiest night of the week...

Sofa King Great wrote: »

My read of it was that they "tried to fight" but their other friends stopped it.

Assault might be a criminal offence but there was no assault according to the op

Oh right so the guards shoudl wait until someone is unconcsiocus/dead/needing stitches before they intervene.

eh...how about NO !! Any threat to violence should be taken seriously and treated little to no tolerance imho

Sunnyisland · 21-08-2011 10:29AM

Forest Master wrote: »

Eh, the thread title doesn't have to be long-winded - just more accurate. Like: "Guards ignore my noise complaint".

Maybe the thread title could have been better,but after you read the post it clearly explains the problem the op is having, whats with all the nit picking at this hour of the morning.

:P

Liam Byrne · 21-08-2011 10:32AM

Forest Master wrote: »

Singstar until 4am can be irritating, but it's fair game. As long as it isn't a work-night or a constant issue.

Define a worknight ? Lots of people work Sundays or nights.

People should have respect; there is no sense or logic in having music so loud that it is heard next door.

Unless it's the one possible exception of apartments or semi-detached boxes that were built without proper planning laws where a dripping tap could be heard next door, there is simply no need for being that inconsiderate at ANY time.

galwayrush · 21-08-2011 10:38AM

Easy to be critical at times, but i'd hate to imagine how bad things would be if we didn't have them.

allibastor · 21-08-2011 10:52AM

galwayrush wrote: »

Easy to be critical at times, but i'd hate to imagine how bad things would be if we didn't have them.

im not saying that they are complete rubbish, but at the same time it could be better. same as the health service.

allibastor · 21-08-2011 10:54AM

Liam Byrne wrote: »

Define a worknight ? Lots of people work Sundays or nights.

People should have respect; there is no sense or logic in having music so loud that it is heard next door.

Unless it's the one possible exception of apartments or semi-detached boxes that were built without proper planning laws where a dripping tap could be heard next door, there is simply no need for being that inconsiderate at ANY time.

thats the point. these same people have functions nearly every week that are loud enough. i never had a problem with it. its when there is zero consideration that it is a problem. dont have loads of 15-17 yr old full of drink running around an estate at night un supervised.

Do The guards do their jobs anymore?

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