Four Irish students deported from US for altering passports

thomasj · 18-08-2011 05:35PM #1

Silly people! Was it really worth it?

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/four-irish-students-deported-from-us-for-altering-passports-516995.html

Four Irish students deported from US for altering passports
18/08/2011 - 14:13:31

At least four Irish students have been deported from the United States after they were found to have tampered with their passports.

It's believed that the students, who were all on J1 visas, had attempted to alter their dates of birth.

The legal age to drink alcohol in the US is 21, although many Irish students who travel there on summer visas are younger.

Fianna Fáil's Spokesperson for Foreign Affairs, Sean O Fearghaíl says the punishments can be severe.

"It is a very serious offence in the US…and it is something that is frowned upon and is likely to result in a person found guilty of this offence to be barred from entering the State," he said.

"That is something, that I think, most students would not like to have on their CV."

seanbmc · 18-08-2011 05:36PM

I think we heard you the first time.

Daemos · 18-08-2011 05:37PM

And one thread for each?

Tubsandtiles · 18-08-2011 05:37PM

Did they do it 4 times

Standard Toaster · 18-08-2011 05:50PM

4 gob****es

IamtheWalrus · 18-08-2011 05:52PM

I get the feeling this thread is an attempt to create a 'talking' point in boards, being the first to bring up the day's news. I bet you don't give a sh!t about the story. You haven't offered your opinion on it. Just posting the news. We all have the internet.

4zn76tysfajdxp · 18-08-2011 05:53PM

I know we're supposed to indulge teenagers* for being a bit naive from time to time, but tampering with your passport? Talk about a bunch of cotton-headed morons.

*and twenty year olds. **** off with your pedantry.

dr.bollocko · 18-08-2011 05:55PM

T'other threads deleted now...
I would assume its more boards server hamster problems. Happening all over the shop.

cosmicfart · 18-08-2011 06:04PM

why didnt they just get fake drivers licences before they went? worked for me

actuallylike · 18-08-2011 06:05PM

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

I get the feeling this thread is an attempt to create a 'talking' point in boards, being the first to bring up the day's news. I bet you don't give a sh!t about the story. You haven't offered your opinion on it. Just posting the news. We all have the internet.

He did give his opinion, he said was it worth it. You on the other hand haven't given any opinion on the article.

Apologies in advance for a double post, t'is boards.

Silly thing to do really but doubt anyone was expecting this. We all tempered with ID's when we were younger, never thought I'd get in any major trouble but I guess when you're abroad, especially in America it's a risky thing to do.

amacca · 18-08-2011 06:07PM

Ah give them a break

its easy to be stupid about things like that when you are young

shure I remember running guns into Mexico and hookers out of it at the age of 14!

x_Ellie_x · 18-08-2011 06:18PM

They got what they deserve. Bloody eejits!

Mint Sauce · 18-08-2011 06:21PM

Hope it was worth it and they enjoyed their trip to the States. They're unlikely to see it again after that stunt.

Bipolar Joe · 18-08-2011 06:22PM

Yeah, at that age you should really understand that tampering with passports is a damn big thing. Pack of dipsh!ts, they are, especially doing it inside a country that's in a perpetual state of "High Alert."

Tubsandtiles · 18-08-2011 06:26PM

They seem like absolute idiots, everyone knows tampering with a passport is serious stuff, ffs they are in their twentys

Morons :mad:

FlutterinBantam · 18-08-2011 06:36PM

Tubsandtiles wrote: »

They seem like absolute idiots, everyone knows tampering with a passport is serious stuff, ffs they are in their twentys

Morons :mad:

Typical of the gimps around these days.

Inured by the Irish' Ahhh Jaysus take a fookin' chaaance sure you can blag your way out if you are caught'.:cool:

My bollox.

The Feds don't play games, fcuk around and you are pinged.

Salutary lesson for these idiots.

Buceph · 18-08-2011 06:46PM

irish-stew wrote: »

Hope it was worth it and they enjoyed their trip to the States. They're unlikely to see it again after that stunt.

There's a chance they'll never see anything beyond the EU after their stupidity. Passports aren't a right, they're issued by the graces of the government. They could well find that they're not allowed a new passport until they're 60, or ever at all. And they won't get further than the EU without a passport, and that would have to be by boat. I don't think any airlines will let you fly without a passport now, even if it's an internal EU flight.

Plus there's a chance they'll be prosecuted when they arrive back. And while I wouldn't be in favour of jail, but for every job they apply for they'll have to answer if they have a criminal conviction or not.

Mint Sauce · 18-08-2011 06:59PM

Buceph wrote: »

There's a chance they'll never see anything beyond the EU after their stupidity. Passports aren't a right, they're issued by the graces of the government. They could well find that they're not allowed a new passport until they're 60, or ever at all. And they won't get further than the EU without a passport, and that would have to be by boat. I don't think any airlines will let you fly without a passport now, even if it's an internal EU flight.

Plus there's a chance they'll be prosecuted when they arrive back. And while I wouldn't be in favour of jail, but for every job they apply for they'll have to answer if they have a criminal conviction or not.

I was thinking some thing similar when typing my original post. The original passports are now probably invalid as they have been tampered with. If the passport office do issue them with new ones I can see only being limited term ones with travel restrictions if they're lucky.

Don Juan DeMagoo · 18-08-2011 07:02PM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Typical of the gimps around these days.

Inured by the Irish' Ahhh Jaysus take a fookin' chaaance sure you can blag your way out if you are caught'.:cool:

My bollox.

The Feds don't play games, fcuk around and you are pinged.

Salutary lesson for these idiots.

It is purely an Irish mentality, that you can do pretty most things and then bull**** your way out of it when caught. I have seen Irish men in the states getting fresh with figures of authority thinking as though they were still in Cavan or Kerry, as in no repercussions. I remember reading about one jackass from Cavan a couple of years after 9/11, screaming on the plane in the US that he had a bomb. Amazed he wasn't shot. Then telling the judge that it was just a joke.

More than likely as soon as those lads get home the Department of foreign affairs will take their documents away from them. What hell it must be going to be for them to be stuck in Ireland after they graduate.

sdanseo · 18-08-2011 07:05PM

Absolutely no sympathy whatsoever, although I do agree with the consulate intervening to "get them out of custody" according to RTÉ - US immigration is tight to say the least :P

Total and utter morons. Takes our drink culture and apparent god-given right to get gee-eyed to a new and more pathetiic level than ever.

Don Juan DeMagoo · 18-08-2011 07:07PM

irish-stew wrote: »

I was thinking some thing similar when typing my original post. The original passports are now probably invalid as they have been tampered with. If the passport office do issue them with new ones I can see only being limited term ones with travel restrictions if they're lucky.

I can only imagine they will only if at all get temporary passports for the foreseeable future. Imagine having to go to the passport office each time you wanted to travel. I would think they are strict about this sorta thing. But then again this is Ireland and they may be someone of importance's son

18-08-2011 07:10PM

The real stupidity wasn't altering the passport it was altering it in a way they couldn't easily change it back or not bothering to change it back.

I remember when we were under 18 we had a way for changing our driving licenses, it was very very good and with all the scratching and scraping bouncers couldn't prove it was altered, some of the lads handed it into checkpoints when driving and everything and was never noticed.

Chancing an altered passport in the US is a different story altogether though.

mikemac · 18-08-2011 07:12PM

These lads were deported straight away yet Pamela Izevbekhai was here for years clocking up legal fees and falsifying documents

We're a soft touch :rolleyes:

baldbear · 18-08-2011 07:15PM

mikemac wrote: »

These lads were deported straight away yet Pamela Izevbekhai was here for years clocking up legal fees and falsifying documents

We're a soft touch :rolleyes:

Yes but but........ racist!

mikemac · 18-08-2011 07:18PM

I'm straying into urban myths here but just wondering

You are fully entitled to put your passport name as Gaelige, nobody can stop you, first language of the State.

If the lads changed their name to Irish would foreign authorities fail to spot this?

John Ryan is blacklisted but Séan O'Riain is not?
Though modern passports have electronic tags so it may have worked a decade ago but not now?

Evaex · 18-08-2011 07:21PM

mikemac wrote: »

I'm straying into urban myths here but just wondering

You are fully entitled to put your passport name as Gaelige, nobody can stop you, first language of the State.

If the lads changed their name to Irish would foreign authorities fail to spot this?

John Ryan is blacklisted but Séan O'Riain is not?
Though modern passports have electronic tags so it may have worked a decade ago but not now?

Your name is on your birth cert. Names cant be translated on official documents. Translating a name is changing the name.

Buceph · 18-08-2011 07:22PM

mikemac wrote: »

These lads were deported straight away yet Pamela Izevbekhai was here for years clocking up legal fees and falsifying documents

We're a soft touch :rolleyes:

Yeah, she was an asylum seeker and it's up to us to treat the case properly.

If those students claimed asylum in America they'd be entitled to more or less the same treatment.

jive · 18-08-2011 07:23PM

mikemac wrote: »

I'm straying into urban myths here but just wondering

You are fully entitled to put your passport name as Gaelige, nobody can stop you, first language of the State.

If the lads changed their name to Irish would foreign authorities fail to spot this?

John Ryan is blacklisted but Séan O'Riain is not?
Though modern passports have electronic tags so it may have worked a decade ago but not now?

You have a good future ahead of you in the criminal underworld with thinking like that.

I bet you're the kind of mad fúcker who downloads a car aren't ya??

silvershark · 18-08-2011 07:35PM

Don Juan DeMagoo wrote: »

It is purely an Irish mentality, that you can do pretty most things and then bull**** your way out of it when caught. I have seen Irish men in the states getting fresh with figures of authority thinking as though they were still in Cavan or Kerry, as in no repercussions. I remember reading about one jackass from Cavan a couple of years after 9/11, screaming on the plane in the US that he had a bomb. Amazed he wasn't shot. Then telling the judge that it was just a joke.

More than likely as soon as those lads get home the Department of foreign affairs will take their documents away from them. What hell it must be going to be for them to be stuck in Ireland after they graduate.

I think you're thinking of the Leitrim player who said he had a bomb in his luggage in JFK airport on way back from Leitrim v New York game - it was 2003.

I hate when people dont have the details right.

On the 4 lads - pure stupid

Evaex · 18-08-2011 07:35PM

Buceph wrote: »

Yeah, she was an asylum seeker and it's up to us to treat the case properly.

If those students claimed asylum in America they'd be entitled to more or less the same treatment.

Nah, we're just a joke bankrupt country with gombeen politicians and the IMF running the place. In America, she would have been laughed out of the place, and would never have cost the American taxpayer over €1 million while lying to numerous courts and claiming free legal aid. In fact, she would have never made it through immigration in the first place.

Buceph · 18-08-2011 07:37PM

Evaex wrote: »

Nah, we're just a joke bankrupt country with gombeen politicians and the IMF running the place. In America, she would have been laughed out of the place. In fact, she would have never made it through immigration in the first place.

You don't have to make it through immigration to claim asylum. All you have to do is present yourself to an official of the state, on the state's territory and say, "I claim asylum."

You could make arguments about whether the particular part of an airport prior to immigration is in fact American soil, but that's not something that comes up much.

Four Irish students deported from US for altering passports

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