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Man gets prison for passing on STD

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  • #62
    Alopex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 632 ✭✭✭Alopex


    Seanbeag1 wrote: »
    A cold sore is visible so I don't think it falls in the same league. As for genital warts. If you know about it you have a moral, and now legal, obligation to inform your partner.

    GW would be far less serious than genital herpes. it doesn't cause pain and is curable.


  • #63
    pow wow
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,288 ✭✭✭pow wow


    In relation to herpes in general - sex is risky business regardless of the honesty or lack thereof from your partner. Herpes is a possibility for most people who have been sexually active at some point in their lives.


  • #64
    Sid_Justice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,720 ✭✭✭Sid_Justice


    Alopex wrote: »
    GW would be far less serious than genital herpes. it doesn't cause pain and is curable.

    Except of course if you got Human papillomavirus warts and then got cervical cancer.


  • #65
    g'em
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,819 ✭✭✭✭g'em


    Alopex wrote: »
    GW would be far less serious than genital herpes. it doesn't cause pain and is curable.

    It can be treated, it can't be cured.


  • #66
    iguana
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,917 ✭✭✭✭iguana


    g'em wrote: »
    Agreed, but it's not fair to compare and contrast HIV and HSV infection. Like pow wow said, it trivialised HIV and overly stigmatises HSV.

    The fact that HIV and Herpes aren't the same is irrelevant because the judge drew no such comparison. The judge said he equated giving someone Herpes to causing an injury which would leave a scar and he gave a similar sentence to this man that he would give to someone who caused that type of injury. As someone who had my nose broken in an assault 11 years ago I'd rate that injury quite a lot lower than someone giving me a cold sore, never mind genital herpes. Knowingly passing on an incurable viral infection is definitely > than or = to GBH.
    pow wow wrote: »
    Well no it isn't really. You can be sure if it had been proven he had absolute knowledge then that fact would have been reported.

    It was reported, 4 times. It's right at the top of the article where it says he knowingly gave her the virus and kept quiet about the fact that he had it. Also where he said he later told the truth and where it says he pleaded guilty.


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  • #67
    FetchTheGin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 857 ✭✭✭FetchTheGin


    iguana wrote: »
    It was reported, 4 times. It's right at the top of the article where it says he knowingly gave her the virus and kept quiet about the fact that he had it. Also where he said he later told the truth and where it says he pleaded guilty.

    It is amazing that people still ignore it after 5 pages.:rolleyes:


  • #68
    Sid_Justice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,720 ✭✭✭Sid_Justice


    What was his motivation?
    Was it malicious? Did he aim to hurt her?
    Was it due to shame / embarrassment? He didn't want to tell her he had it so just said nothing?
    Was it due to carelessness? He thought it was such an insignificant infection it wasn't worth mentioning and rocking the boat (prior relationship/infidelity?)


  • #69
    krudler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    Sid_Justice wrote: »
    How would you feel if someone gave you cancer?

    do you actually think you can catch cancer off someone?

    please say you do...


  • #70
    Sid_Justice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,720 ✭✭✭Sid_Justice


    You could catch a cancer causing infection.


  • #71
    pow wow
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,288 ✭✭✭pow wow


    iguana wrote: »
    The fact that HIV and Herpes aren't the same is irrelevant because the judge drew no such comparison.

    The comparison came from the charities referring to herpes as 'trivial', not from anything the judge said.
    iguana wrote: »
    It was reported, 4 times. It's right at the top of the article where it says he knowingly gave her the virus and kept quiet about the fact that he had it. Also where he said he later told the truth and where it says he pleaded guilty.

    The headline says he did it 'knowingly', but nowhere within the article does it say that he absolutely knew before he had sex with her, which to me is a glaring omission in the story. The 'telling the truth' you're referring to came much later in the relationship and could very well have been due to being diagnosed at a later point. Without any of us seeing the documents the judgement could be based on his plea and the fact that he lied when he knew there was a chance he had it. I'm not saying he didn't know, but I find it rather odd that a fine newspaper like DM wants to be all sensational about it but neglect to mention whether he absolutely knew he had it, or just knew there was a chance he had but lied about it.


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  • #72
    Shelby Green Gymnast
    Posts: 0 ✭ Shelby Green Gymnast


    Sid_Justice wrote: »
    My question related to patients in a GUM clinic being overlooked for HSV infection, not people presenting to their GP feeling run down. Read the posts before you reply to them.

    Eh, that's exactly what I was talking about. Didn't mention a thing about men going to a GP or feeling run down - perhaps you should read posts more carefully? Most people who go to a GUM clinic are NOT tested for herpes because it's VERY difficult to test for and diagnose. Even if a person presents with symptoms, it's still perfectly possible for them to be written off as something else or for a swab to come back with a false negative result. I used to work in a sexual health clinic, so if you have any non-sarcastic questions, feel free to ask.
    Sid_Justice wrote: »
    Except of course if you got Human papillomavirus warts and then got cervical cancer.

    Except of course that the strains of HPV which cause genital warts are not the ones which cause cervical cancer, so eh, no.


  • #73
    Stinicker
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,102 ✭✭✭Stinicker


    If she gave him Herpes the Judge would bang his hammer along with the words dismissed and a snigger at yer man. Sex is a risky business and it takes two to tango, if she was so concerned why didn't she make him use condoms or abstain. If the gender roles were reversed guaranteed it would be a non story or event.

    Penis = Evil
    Vagina = Dandelions and fluffy clouds.


  • #74
    iguana
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,917 ✭✭✭✭iguana


    pow wow wrote: »
    The headline says he did it 'knowingly', but nowhere within the article does it say that he absolutely knew before he had sex with her, which to me is a glaring omission in the story. The 'telling the truth' you're referring to came much later in the relationship and could very well have been due to being diagnosed at a later point. Without any of us seeing the documents the judgement could be based on his plea and the fact that he lied when he knew there was a chance he had it. I'm not saying he didn't know, but I find it rather odd that a fine newspaper like DM wants to be all sensational about it but neglect to mention whether he absolutely knew he had it, or just knew there was a chance he had but lied about it.

    Another article (also in the DM) has more detail from Scott's point of view. Apparently he told her he transmitted it on purpose so no-one else would want her.
    Golding revealed the truth last year and admitted transmitting the infection to her.

    Miss Lee, from Daventry, Northamptonshire, said: 'I felt sick and was crying so much I couldn't breathe.

    'He said he knew if I had it no one else would want me.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2027167/My-callous-lover-gave-herpes-want-me.html#ixzz1VKNJSzpr


  • #75
    sock puppet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭sock puppet


    Stinicker wrote: »
    If she gave him Herpes the Judge would bang his hammer along with the words dismissed and a snigger at yer man. Sex is a risky business and it takes two to tango, if she was so concerned why didn't she make him use condoms or abstain. If the gender roles were reversed guaranteed it would be a non story or event.

    Penis = Evil
    Vagina = Dandelions and fluffy clouds.

    The most high profile of these types cases involved the conviction of a woman.


  • #76
    MagicSean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    Stinicker wrote: »
    If she gave him Herpes the Judge would bang his hammer along with the words dismissed and a snigger at yer man. Sex is a risky business and it takes two to tango, if she was so concerned why didn't she make him use condoms or abstain. If the gender roles were reversed guaranteed it would be a non story or event.

    Penis = Evil
    Vagina = Dandelions and fluffy clouds.

    She was in a long term relationship. Trust is a given in those. Not sure if you've had one. I see nothing to support your claim that if the sexes were reversed the result would be different.
    Sid_Justice wrote: »
    What was his motivation?
    Was it malicious? Did he aim to hurt her?
    Was it due to shame / embarrassment? He didn't want to tell her he had it so just said nothing?
    Was it due to carelessness? He thought it was such an insignificant infection it wasn't worth mentioning and rocking the boat (prior relationship/infidelity?)

    He wanted sex.


  • #77
    MagicSean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    iguana wrote: »
    Another article (also in the DM) has more detail from Scott's point of view. Apparently he told her he transmitted it on purpose so no-one else would want her.

    Guess I was wrong. He didn't just want sex. He's a sociopath.


  • #78
    Alopex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 632 ✭✭✭Alopex


    Sid_Justice wrote: »
    Except of course if you got Human papillomavirus warts and then got cervical cancer.

    Genital warts are not connected to cervical cancer. They are caused by different strains of HPV. One doesn't cause the other.
    g'em wrote: »
    It can be treated, it can't be cured.

    It often can. not as easily as taking an anti-biotic for a bacterial infection but so long as you keep having it treated your immune system can eliminate the virus altogether. This is far more unlikely to be successful with Herpes.


  • #79
    Don Juan DeMagoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 219 ✭✭Don Juan DeMagoo


    g'em wrote: »
    I love it when folk add two and two together and get zebras, where did I say that? Of course he did wrong, very, very wrong, he had a moral obligation to tell her and lying about it made it more reprehensible. But jail time?

    Some people can be heartless husks, who still knowingly continue to satisfy their own needs with little concern for others well being no matter what they have. I agree it may be heavy handed but I would be more miffed if nothing was done besides he sounds like a cretin.


  • #80
    Capt'n Midnight
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 94,854 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Micky Dolenz wrote: »
    If I knocked up a woman could I be imprisoned for giving her a life long condition?, I.E parenthood.
    if you didn't pay child support


  • #81
    Capt'n Midnight
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 94,854 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    niallsparky wrote: »
    Surely it's a good thing that a strict precedent has been set? A sentence like this may discourage others from doing something as reprehensible as this.

    One thing that makes it different is that it's a notifiabe disease, something that is a public health issue

    http://www.hpsc.ie/hpsc/NotifiableDiseases/ListofNotifiableDiseases/ IE
    http://www.salford.gov.uk/nid.htm UK
    The only circumstances in which notification is not required is when the doctor has reason to believe that a colleague has already notified the case. This is not a voluntary reporting system and there are financial penalties for failing to notify a case of a notifiable infection disease.


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  • #82
    ItsAWindUp
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    What a prick.


  • #83
    Alopex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 632 ✭✭✭Alopex


    http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,713955,00.html

    woman knowingly spreads hiv - only gets 2yr suspended sentence


  • #84
    wild_cat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,291 ✭✭✭wild_cat


    discus wrote: »
    Genital herpes and genital warts can be passed on, even when a condom is worn. The affected area is usually the base of the penis, scrotum and in/around the pubes. Wearing a condom wouldn't really lower the chance of contracting it.

    Good old Irish Sex education going on with me. :)


  • #85
    johnners2981
    Closed Accounts Posts: 429 ✭✭johnners2981


    Seanbeag1 wrote: »
    She was in a long term relationship. Trust is a given in those. Not sure if you've had one. I see nothing to support your claim that if the sexes were reversed the result would be different.

    Maybe you should read the article before posting comments about it. She was not in a long term relationship when the infection was transmitted.

    Not sure if you've had one, but the beginning of a relationship doesn't equate to a long term relationship.

    "I see nothing to support your claim that if the sexes were reversed the result would be different"

    Alopex's link seems to support that
    http://www.spiegel.de/international/...713955,00.html


  • #86
    AudreyHepburn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭AudreyHepburn


    Seanbeag1 wrote: »
    Why? Is it that people sometimes get low sentences for these crimes or are you referring to those that haven't been convicted?

    Well both I suppose.

    It just seems that they couldn't jail this guy quick enough yet they seem almost afraid to jail serious offenders or they let them out on good behaviour as quick as possible.

    Put it like this, if there was one cell left in Mountjoy and I was given the choice to let say a child molester or this man go free, despite the fact he might infect some-one else, I know which one I'd choose.


  • #87
    up for anything
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,790 ✭✭✭up for anything


    I wonder if anyone here would start a sexual relationship with her knowing that she had Herpes. I think I'd steer well clear of someone I knew had any sort of STI that could be passed on regardless of condom use.

    What he did by passing on it knowingly without telling her is pretty low and in my opinion deserves jail time. Whether the sentence he received is commensurate with the crime is another topic.


  • #88
    Cianos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Cianos


    Around 16% of people have herpes, so if you've slept with more than 6 people, chances are you have slept with someone with herpes. There's quite a big stigma around something that is in the vast majority of cases quite trivial.


  • #89
    g'em
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,819 ✭✭✭✭g'em


    up for anything wrote: »
    I wonder if anyone here would start a sexual relationship with her knowing that she had Herpes. I think I'd steer well clear of someone I knew had any sort of STI that could be passed on regardless of condom use.
    Read today that she's in a relationship now and has had a baby with her new partner - he knew from the start that she had it but it doesn't bother him, they're just careful when needs be.


  • #90
    c_man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,436 ✭✭✭c_man


    Cianos wrote: »
    Around 16% of people have herpes, so if you've slept with more than 6 people....

    *collective sigh of relief from all boardsies* :pac:


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  • #91
    Run_to_da_hills
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    On release from prison the fcuker should be branded.


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