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10 Leaving Cert pupils earn eight A1s
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Tbh, it's not this that motivates students, it's the course they want and the likely points.partyatmygaff wrote: »What's unfair about it? They worked hard and deserve the recognition. If anything, they should make an even larger deal of it to motivate future students to work harder.
There are people who achieved 400 points in the LC who had to work much much harder for it than those who got their 8 A1s.
Yeah, fair enough, they obviously worked hard, they're bright and they deserve a bit of recognition, fair play to them ... but the way the media hype them up you would think they just got 8 vestal virgins to go with their 8 A1s!
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Hurricane-Dean wrote: »Not everyone has to work hard, a friend of mine is an absolute sponge with information. Before his leaving he barely picked up a book and got 600. He has brains to burn but requires little effort in using it. (Lucky bástard!!)
I had similiar in my year. Guy I knew was out drinking every night, missed classes left and right, but still cake walked 600 points
In fact, the three people I've known who got 600 points were not people who "worked hard"; they were people who were natually intelligent and were always going to get 600 points regardless of how much study they did.
Not that I resent them for that. If anything I envy that ability. I had to work my ass off and I managed 425, and I'll tell you what. I was damn proud of that :P0 -
The hype generated around high achievers in the LC tends to motivate *some* people though. It certainly helped motivate me to a certain extent.randylonghorn wrote: »Tbh, it's not this that motivates students, it's the course they want and the likely points.
It's all relative. For some 300 points is a major achievement and for others 500 points is a disappointment.There are people who achieved 400 points in the LC who had to work much much harder for it than those who got their 8 A1s.
That'd certainly motivate some peopleYeah, fair enough, they obviously worked hard, they're bright and they deserve a bit of recognition, fair play to them ... but the way the media hype them up you would think they just got 8 vestal virgins to go with their 8 A1s!
You sound awful bitter, non?on a side note, what sort of social skills will the majority of the people who did nothing but study and study for their leaving certs have when they go out into the big bad world now? will they be just little swats with no social skills who are only good for learning material off by heart from a text book? will they have the charisima to be able to deal with situations that are not pre-determinded for them in a book?!
Not everyone who got over 500 points needed to study 24/7 and neglect the rest of their lives. Most high achievers I know are more balanced than most.
There's DCG, Engineering, Construction and Technology. Plenty of subjects for those interested.the leaving cert is seriously flawed, it was when i did it, and it is now, needs to be far more practical work put into school work in this country...
How can you be sure? I got 555 and did Engineering.we did construction studies in our school, was the most useful subject being thought from my point of view, the lads who all scored highest, 6 a's and all that stuff, they wouldnt have the faintest idea of how to fix something if it broke in their house,
Where are you getting this from? I don't know anyone high achievers or not who thinks practical subjects are below them. They're worth just as much as other subjects and offer a different experience than theoretical subjects like Business.all of us 300-400 point range students would who did the pratcical subjects that the really smart lads thought was below them
It doesn't take construction studies, engineering, technology or DCG to connect and seal a hose or two and wire a plug. It just takes a bit of initiative and some basic DIY skills.not so smart in the long run when they cant fit a washing machine into their house and have to pay a plumber 200 euro to do it for 5 minutes work!0 -
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partyatmygaff wrote: »The hype generated around high achievers in the LC tends to motivate *some* people though. It certainly helped motivate me to a certain extent.
It's all relative. For some 300 points is a major achievement and for others 500 points is a disappointment.
That'd certainly motivate some people
You sound awful bitter, non?
Not everyone who got over 500 points needed to study 24/7 and neglect the rest of their lives. Most high achievers I know are more balanced than most.
There's DCG, Engineering, Construction and Technology. Plenty of subjects for those interested.
How can you be sure? I got 555 and did Engineering.
Where are you getting this from? I don't know anyone high achievers or not who thinks practical subjects are below them. They're worth just as much as other subjects and offer a different experience than theoretical subjects like Business.
It doesn't take construction studies, engineering, technology or DCG to connect and seal a hose or two and wire a plug. It just takes a bit of initiative and some basic DIY skills.
i was taking my school 6 years ago as specific example in the majority of my post, its pretty clear from the post?
the second paragraph is the only post where i was not being specific to my old school. and i never said all, i simply asked about the majority? are you a bit bitter becuase you were one of the kids who was basically excluded by the rest of your school mates!?
and im not bitter in the slightest, NO, not non, why post one word in french and the rest in english?! thats just silly and slightly annoying...0 -
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What difference does that make?i was taking my school 6 years ago as specific example in the majority of my post, its pretty clear from the post?
the second paragraph is the only post where i was not being specific to my old school. and i never said all, i simply asked about the majority?are you a bit bitter becuase you were one of the kids who was basically excluded by the rest of your school mates!?
The same reason people say vice versa instead of the English equivalent. It's the done thing.and im not bitter in the slightest, NO, not non, why post one word in french and the rest in english?! thats just silly and slightly annoying...0 -
I hate to sound like a whinger, (and I thought I was forever past caring about any of the LC nonsense), but back when I was doing my LC years ago, I know for a fact that they were marking down things that were correct and for no reason.
Like for example in math where you're supposed to get like 1 mark off for a simple error and 3 off for blunder bad error (can't remember what it was now), and any step towards the answer were supposed to give you 10 marks or something. Guess what? lol.
None of that was true at all, in particular if you are trying to get the highest grades, where you needed to have practically everything perfect.
The same in stuff like biology... you would have the answer right and they took marks off for it. I asked to see all of my LC papers afterwards and saw it first hand. You'd have the answer and all the details, maybe there could be some 100% unnecessary and irrelevant thing that wasn't asked at all that you didn't have, and they would take 1 or 2 marks off you... and these marks they take off add up so much if you're trying to get a good mark. God forbid you really actually didn't know something on the test.
So maybe it's not that they're dumbing down subjects, and not that students are performing better, but rather that they're actually giving the marks like they were supposed to in the first place.
I also think the lottory of who you get correcting in subjects like English and History is underestimated. If the same people sat it again, chances are they mightn't even get 6 A1s, other students would. It's also known that they treat students differently based on handwriting. I'm sure that if they get answers from a school they know is a "good" school they'll give the benefit of the doubt far more often.0 -
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randylonghorn wrote: »Tbh, it's not this that motivates students, it's the course they want and the likely points.
There are people who achieved 400 points in the LC who had to work much much harder for it than those who got their 8 A1s.
Yeah, fair enough, they obviously worked hard, they're bright and they deserve a bit of recognition, fair play to them ... but the way the media hype them up you would think they just got 8 vestal virgins to go with their 8 A1s!
Unless you're me and you're just neurotic:D - got 560 points even though my first choice course was 360 - 5A2S and 2A1s. That's what I get for being obsessive! First class BSc. degree in physics and astronomy later and I'm wondering where in the UK I'm gonna have to move to to get a job :rolleyes:0 -
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