Are things that bad?

7sr2z3fely84g5 · 15-08-2011 05:46PM #1

Sorry for the bleak subject,but vincent de paul are back saying they can barely cope with parents applying who cant afford to put their kids through school,im sure the same will happen over Christmas when their little darlings cant afford that big toy they wanted.

My understanding the utility and mortgage bills are the big stranglehold,some people through no fault are living in poverty thanks to the wealth of taxes from gov and suppliers.

so are things gone bad or is it just an appeal to donate to svp?.

chin_grin · 15-08-2011 05:46PM

Conspiracy Theories

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Samich · 15-08-2011 05:47PM

Things could be worse.

alwaysadub · 15-08-2011 05:51PM

Don't have kids but from what my sisters and friends tell me putting a kid through school costs a fortune! So im not surprised familys that are struggling are looking for help.

7sr2z3fely84g5 · 15-08-2011 05:53PM

alwaysadub wrote: »

Don't have kids but from what my sisters and friends tell me putting a kid through school costs a fortune! So im not surprised familys that are struggling are looking for help.

heard the same,recent report -
http://www.independent.ie/education/latest-news/extra-euro46m-set-aside-for-parents-struggling-to-afford-uniforms-2837808.html

THE Department of Social Protection has set aside an extra €4.6m this year to help families buy clothes and shoes for the new school term.
That is because they expect a surge in the number of applications for social welfare benefits to fund back-to-school costs.
About 160,000 families are expected to apply for the Back to School Clothing and Footwear Allowance this summer ahead of the start of the new school year in September.
In 2009, there were 140,000 applications for the allowance.
The Department of Social Protection has confirmed to the Irish Independent that one reason for the allocation of extra funding to the clothing and footwear allowance is to cover a projected increase in the number of children needing help.
The rising number of children starting second-level education is another reason, as secondary school pupils qualify for the higher rate payment of €305 for those aged 12-22 instead of the €200 payment for children aged 2-11.
A spokesperson for the Department of Social Protection said yesterday that while a greater number of children were expected to be covered by the scheme, an actual figure would not be available until all applications were processed in November.
The majority of the 160,000 families eligible for social welfare benefits to help with back-to-school costs have already received their payments under a new automated system.
Uniforms
Last year, delays in issuing the allowance meant some parents had to take out credit union loans and even resort to money-lenders to meet the cost of uniforms and school shoes.
However, the department has taken over administration of the scheme from the Health Services Executive and, for the first time, payments are being sent out automatically to all eligible families. Already 127,000 of an expected 160,000 families have received the payment.
Meanwhile, the children's charity Barnardos has warned that even with the allowance, many parents are struggling to cope with uniform and school book costs.
Chief executive Fergus Finlay called on the Government to ensure grants for schoolbook rental schemes were being allocated. He also demanded that school budgets be protected from further cuts.

mickydoomsux · 15-08-2011 05:59PM

You get free money for having kids and it's a choice to have them in the first place.

Zero sympathy.

stovelid · 15-08-2011 06:01PM

mickydoomsux wrote: »

Zero sympathy.

I can think of other more pressing personality shortages.

wilson10 · 15-08-2011 06:02PM

Evangeline Rancid Trespasser wrote: »

Sorry for the bleak subject,but vincent de paul are back saying they can barely cope with parents applying who cant afford to put their kids through school,im sure the same will happen over Christmas when their little darlings cant afford that big toy they wanted.

My understanding the utility and mortgage bills are the big stranglehold,some people through no fault are living in poverty thanks to the wealth of taxes from gov and suppliers.

so are things gone bad or is it just an appeal to donate to svp?.

I take it you haven't been around for a while then

red menace · 15-08-2011 06:22PM

mickydoomsux wrote: »

You get free money for having kids and it's a choice to have them in the first place.

Zero sympathy.

Really? Is it not a biological imperative?
Our species depends on breeding our replacements?
So not really a choice

Maybe we could just sterilise the poor?

pragmatic1 · 15-08-2011 06:32PM

red menace wrote: »

Really? Is it not a biological imperative?
Our species depends on breeding our replacements?
So not really a choice

Maybe we could just sterilise the poor?

Theres 6+ billion of us. Maybe a few people not reproducing wouldnt hurt.

mickydoomsux · 15-08-2011 06:34PM

red menace wrote: »

Really? Is it not a biological imperative?
Our species depends on breeding our replacements?
So not really a choice

Maybe we could just sterilise the poor?

Sure it's a choice.

Do gay people and people who don't want kids not exist?

I'm not sure why you're bringing sterilising anyone into the equation.

red menace · 15-08-2011 06:58PM

mickydoomsux wrote: »

Sure it's a choice.

Do gay people and people who don't want kids not exist?

I'm not sure why you're bringing sterilising anyone into the equation.

Ok maybe the sterilising thing was over the top, that was just off the top of my head.
My argument is that at a species level the impulse is to increase our numbers. It's not that easy to turn off thousands of years of genetic programming.

Jam · 15-08-2011 06:59PM

mickydoomsux wrote: »

Sure it's a choice.

Do gay people and people who don't want kids not exist?

I'm not sure why you're bringing sterilising anyone into the equation.

Accidents don't happen?

As far as I can tell, most children are accidents. Or maybe just the company I keep.

Secondly, look at countries with aging populations. There's a huge problem if a disproportionate amount of the population are retired, not paying taxes.

fedor.2. · 15-08-2011 07:06PM

Some bitter people around here, i hope real life never catches up with them and bursts their bubble

phill106 · 15-08-2011 07:06PM

mickydoomsux wrote: »

Sure it's a choice.

Do gay people and people who don't want kids not exist?

I'm not sure why you're bringing sterilising anyone into the equation.

Both the gay people and people who don't want kids wouldn't exist but for people having kids.

Magic Beans · 15-08-2011 07:06PM

mickydoomsux wrote: »

You get free money for having kids and it's a choice to have them in the first place.

Zero sympathy.

Their kids will pay for your old age pension because right now that kitty is well and truly cleared out.

krudler · 15-08-2011 07:09PM

red menace wrote: »

Really? Is it not a biological imperative?
Our species depends on breeding our replacements?
So not really a choice

Maybe we could just sterilise the poor?

since the earth is about to hit 7 billion population, the highest in...well ever, serial breeders can take a break for a while

mackg · 15-08-2011 07:14PM

mickydoomsux wrote: »

Sure it's a choice.

Do gay people and people who don't want kids not exist?

I'm not sure why you're bringing sterilising anyone into the equation.

gotta sterilise something!

k4kate · 15-08-2011 07:14PM

I have a job and I find it hard to pay bills so I can imagine that to be on a low income must be very difficult.

Dr_H.Lecter_ · 15-08-2011 07:15PM

Give incentives for neutering.
1 ball snip = 100 free cans of cider, both = 250 cans.

k4kate · 15-08-2011 07:17PM

Magic Beans wrote: »

Their kids will pay for your old age pension because right now that kitty is well and truly cleared out.

Dead right. Italy, Japan and the Us all have problems because an aging population is not replacing itself.

The kids of today are the tax payers of tomorrow

theg81der · 15-08-2011 07:21PM

Jam wrote: »

Accidents don't happen?

As far as I can tell, most children are accidents. Or maybe just the company I keep.

Secondly, look at countries with aging populations. There's a huge problem if a disproportionate amount of the population are retired, not paying taxes.

Must be the company you keep - responsible adults wait and have children when they can afford to provide for them. Accidents are very very rare occurances where as just not bothering to be careful is very very common.

mickydoomsux · 15-08-2011 07:24PM

Magic Beans wrote: »

Their kids will pay for your old age pension because right now that kitty is well and truly cleared out.

I'm not expecting any pension other than the one i'm voluntarily paying into now.

The state pension could be long gone when i'm auld for all we know and i'm not one of those people who thinks you're entitled to anything other than what you earn.

If the state pension is there, grand. If not, i'll get by.

Stinicker · 15-08-2011 07:24PM

My uncle has five children ranging from 14 to 3, he has a mortgage on his neck and both he and his wife were working full time until the crash in 2008, his wife now gets the odd part time work in a hotel whilst he is still unemployed. His mortgage admittedly is not huge due to frugality on his own part and using the boom to pay it whilst living well within his means.

I don't hear him complaining and neither he nor his wife drinks nor smokes and his kids are never found wanting for all the important things, they are very well mannered and recently I bought his son a coke and some crisps one day I ran into them whilst they were out, he's about 11 and really appreciated it. I think this is a great benefit on his kids and they are not spoilt brats like you'd find during the boom.

The only people you hear grumbling are the lame ass parents who put themselves and their addictions (drink and fags) above their kids and shame on them.

Chuck Stone · 15-08-2011 07:26PM

we need more wee'uns replacing us or the ponzi scheme collapses.

SheFiend · 15-08-2011 07:26PM

theg81der wrote: »

Must be the company you keep - responsible adults wait and have children when they can afford to provide for them. Accidents are very very rare occurances where as just not bothering to be careful is very very common.

So true. Getting pregnant after having unprotected sex is no accident. If contraception is really 99.9 percent effective then accidents are not exactly common.

Messi2 · 15-08-2011 07:32PM

Stinicker wrote: »

My uncle has five children ranging from 14 to 3, he has a mortgage on his neck and both he and his wife were working full time until the crash in 2008, his wife now gets the odd part time work in a hotel whilst he is still unemployed. His mortgage admittedly is not huge due to frugality on his own part and using the boom to pay it whilst living well within his means.

I don't hear him complaining and neither he nor his wife drinks nor smokes and his kids are never found wanting for all the important things, they are very well mannered and recently I bought his son a coke and some crisps one day I ran into them whilst they were out, he's about 11 and really appreciated it. I think this is a great benefit on his kids and they are not spoilt brats like you'd find during the boom.

The only people you hear grumbling are the lame ass parents who put themselves and their addictions (drink and fags) above their kids and shame on them.

Never a truer word spoken on Boards.

Tayla · 15-08-2011 07:36PM

Evangeline Rancid Trespasser wrote: »

Sorry for the bleak subject,but vincent de paul are back saying they can barely cope with parents applying who cant afford to put their kids through school,im sure the same will happen over Christmas when their little darlings cant afford that big toy they wanted.

My understanding the utility and mortgage bills are the big stranglehold,some people through no fault are living in poverty thanks to the wealth of taxes from gov and suppliers.

so are things gone bad or is it just an appeal to donate to svp?.

The thing with SVP is that although they do do a lot of good work, they also give a lot of money out which they shouldn't. I think they are a great organisation however but I think they could probably be a bit stricter with the money they give out.

I know people who get the back to school payment (can't remember the name) and it still barely covers the costs and they have really struggled to pay for everything and I really feel for these people. I also know people who get that payment but have plenty of money to drink/smoke etc but still complain about how expensive it is and personally I know of one such woman in receipt of that payment who wastes her money on cigarettes etc and has since went to the SVP for help for the school items.

I think they're seen as a soft touch and I worry that some genuine people who are really really in need have to go without because of the greedy people. I also would dread to think about what the state of the country would be like if we didn't have the SVP in this country.

My son's going into senior infants, his books cost €70 and his uniform was around €70 altogether and I could have got it for around €30 if i'd gotten the plain jumpers and stitched the crest on but I found the other ones to be better quality. I paid for it myself and I realise some people especially with multiple childen have absolutely huge bills for the books etc. but there's also a lot who could afford to pay all the costs but still they'd rather complain about how expensive it is.

MagicSean · 15-08-2011 07:37PM

Clearly the answer is to cancel Christmas. An unnecessary cost.

I can't understand how you'd need a credit union loan to buy a uniform. Unless it's made by gucci or something.

pragmatic1 · 15-08-2011 07:39PM

Chuck Stone wrote: »

we need more wee'uns replacing us or the ponzi scheme collapses.

Bionic old people is the answer.

fearbainne · 15-08-2011 07:46PM

SheFiend wrote: »

So true. Getting pregnant after having unprotected sex is no accident. If contraception is really 99.9 percent effective then accidents are not exactly common.

Are things that bad?

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