James Connolly Hospital Closing after 6pm each day

Paul.C · 15-08-2011 06:30PM #1

I have a friend working in this hospital and he informs me that the government are set to close James Connolly hospital A+E on the 4th of November this year. According to a meeting that was held with staff members, the A+E department will open from 8am to 5pm every day after that. The outcome of this will mean that if you are in need of immediate medical attention out of hours then you will be sent to the Mater or Beaumont.

Not only will this lead to even longer waiting times, but it will surely cause the deaths of a number of unfortunate people who dont get the attention they need fast enough. This annoys me greatly as I have seen first hand the result of ambulances arriving those critical few minutes too late from here as it is.

This worries me as if they can arrive late from JC then imagine how long it would take to get to and from the Mater.

Also the negative affect of staff cuts here will choke Dublin-West even more.

I am directing all the blame here at the HSE and the present-government in general and not at the staff and hospital itself.

James Connolly hospital has survived through many recessions and strived over the past ten of years to become a modern hospital this country can be proud of. In fact it is one of the only success stories to come from Mary Harneys HSE and now they want to close it.

I propose a Protest at some stage to stop this from happening. This hospital is a valuable asset to the area and ignoring this closure will result in nothing more than Job cuts and needless fatalities. Im sure the staff will be arranging some kind of protest for this but they will need the full support of the people. We need to stand together and say no.

I will try and keep up to date with this thread and if anyone has further information, links to other sites, threads or facebook pages that are planning a protest then Please post them here.

Anyway, opinions please people!

FlutterinBantam · 15-08-2011 06:33PM

Paul.C wrote: »

I have a friend working in this hospital and he informs me that the government are set to close James Connolly hospital A+E on the 4th of November this year. According to a meeting that was held with staff members, the A+E department will open from 8am to 5pm every day after that. The outcome of this will mean that if you are in need of immediate medical attention out of hours then you will be sent to the Mater or Beaumont.

Not only will this lead to even longer waiting times, but it will surely cause the deaths of a number of unfortunate people who dont get the attention they need fast enough. This annoys me greatly as I have seen first hand the result of ambulances arriving those critical few minutes too late from here as it is.

This worries me as if they can arrive late from JC then imagine how long it would take to get to and from the Mater.

Also the negative affect of staff cuts here will choke Dublin-West even more.

I am directing all the blame here at the HSE and the present-government in general and not at the staff and hospital itself.

James Connolly hospital has survived through many recessions and strived over the past ten of years to become a modern hospital this country can be proud of. In fact it is one of the only success stories to come from Mary Harneys HSE and now they want to close it.

I propose a Protest at some stage to stop this from happening. This hospital is a valuable asset to the area and ignoring this closure will result in nothing more than Job cuts and needless fatalities. Im sure the staff will be arranging some kind of protest for this but they will need the full support of the people. We need to stand together and say no.

I will try and keep up to date with this thread and if anyone has further information, links to other sites, threads or facebook pages that are planning a protest then Please post them here.

Anyway, opinions please people!

If the Hospital was efficient and cost effective this wouldn't happen.

Have you a link with the absenteeism records please?

teol · 15-08-2011 06:34PM

Good. I live in Dublin 15 and the closure of the A&E at Connolly Hospital wouldn't make any impact in my life. The Mater has better public transport links to Blanchardstown then Connolly Hospital. We need to amalgamate resources, not have small crappy hospitals in every locality.

Magic Beans · 15-08-2011 06:35PM

Why don't the go the whole hog, shut all the hospitals and give everyone a pre-printed E111 and a Ryanair ticket to Britain where thay can get free medical care? It's all they are short of doing.

Ostrom · 15-08-2011 06:38PM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

If the Hospital was efficient and cost effective this wouldn't happen.

Nothing to do with budget constraints and politically neutral territories?

Roscommon has shown the low quality of evidence policymakers are prepared to accept as reliable evidence

Tehachapi · 15-08-2011 06:43PM

The problem here is cash. We need more cash.

FlutterinBantam · 15-08-2011 06:46PM

Tehachapi wrote: »

The problem here is cash. We need more cash.

So who is going to pay for these services?

FetchTheGin · 15-08-2011 06:48PM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

So who is going to pay for these services?

Your mate, John Q taxpayer.

FlutterinBantam · 15-08-2011 06:53PM

yep , That's what I thought.

So forgive me, before I throw my weight behind the protest, I might like to know the absenteeism and efficiency records for the gaff.

Is that ok?

opinion guy · 15-08-2011 06:57PM

You are all assuming this is about money. Are you sure its not realting to staffing shortage ?

Paul.C · 15-08-2011 06:57PM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

If the Hospital was efficient and cost effective this wouldn't happen.

Have you a link with the absenteeism records please?

:rolleyes:

teol wrote: »

Good. I live in Dublin 15 and the closure of the A&E at Connolly Hospital wouldn't make any impact in my life. The Mater has better public transport links to Blanchardstown then Connolly Hospital. We need to amalgamate resources, not have small crappy hospitals in every locality.

If you or a member of your family suffers stroke, heart attack or any other life threatening symptom then I hope this comment doesn't return to haunt you. Also it is not a crappy hospital, it is a very good hospital. And substantially relieves the pressure on the mater.

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

So who is going to pay for these services?

You are and so am I. We paid millions into upgrading this hospital over the last few years and now they want to close it. How about we close the m50 too, sure we dont need that either do we:rolleyes:

Paul.C · 15-08-2011 07:06PM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

yep , That's what I thought.

So forgive me, before I throw my weight behind the protest, I might like to know the absenteeism and efficiency records for the gaff.

Is that ok?

We have spent the last decade trying to pull our health service out of the dark ages and now they are stopping all progress. Do you really think the money they save here will be handed over to the mater? I dont think so. As for the efficiency records, how do you judge efficiency in this area? Ask all the people who are alive now because of the staff there. As for the absenteeism, that comment is fair enough. If certain staff are taking the mick then they should go through the proper disciplinary procedures the same as anyone else. I do not have these records but I wouldnt imagine they would be any different to the mater hospital.

FlutterinBantam · 15-08-2011 07:06PM

Paul.C wrote: »

:rolleyes:

If you or a member of your family suffers stroke, heart attack or any other life threatening symptom then I hope this comment doesn't return to haunt you. Also it is not a crappy hospital, it is a very good hospital. And substantially relieves the pressure on the mater.

You are and so am I. We paid millions into upgrading this hospital over the last few years and now they want to close it. How about we close the m50 too, sure we dont need that either do we:rolleyes:

You are kind of sidestepping the point buddy,

Of course we can't close the M50 , it's proven to be needed.

Now ,absenteeism,and efficiency records for the JCMH ??

:rolleyes:

teol · 15-08-2011 07:13PM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

If the Hospital was efficient and cost effective this wouldn't happen.

Have you a link with the absenteeism records please?

http://www.hse.ie/eng/staff/Healthstat/comparative%20results/Hosptial_Absenteeism_May_2011.pdf

Paul.C · 15-08-2011 07:15PM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

You are kind of sidestepping the point buddy,

Of course we can't close the M50 , it's proven to be needed.

Now ,absenteeism,and efficiency records for the JCMH ??

:rolleyes:

Have you seen these? you are basing an argument on records you have seen yes? Well tell me how they differ to any other hospital in Dublin! What is the point you are trying to make? Please give me a link to a site or document that says James Connolly A+E is unsustainable due to its ranking in efficiency and absenteeism in the health system.

fedor.2. · 15-08-2011 07:15PM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

You are kind of sidestepping the point buddy,

Of course we can't close the M50 , it's proven to be needed.

Now ,absenteeism,and efficiency records for the JCMH ??

:rolleyes:

Jaysus, what are you like. It must be a great burden for you having the weight of the country's problems on your shoulders, we'd be lost without you and the paltry taxes you pay. get a grip buddy, enjoy your life and relax

opinion guy · 15-08-2011 07:17PM

teol wrote: »

http://www.hse.ie/eng/staff/Healthstat/comparative%20results/Hosptial_Absenteeism_May_2011.pdf

Love it.

Second lowest absenteeism in the country. Better than all other Dublin hospitals bar Louglinstown - which rumour has it may also close in November

steve9859 · 15-08-2011 07:19PM

Paul.C wrote: »

We have spent the last decade trying to pull our health service out of the dark ages and now they are stopping all progress. .

I don't believe hospital consolidation is 'stopping all progress'. Quite the opposite in fact.

mickydoomsux · 15-08-2011 07:19PM

Meh.

People wanted public service cuts but when the knife comes out they get cold feet. We can't have a hospital on everyones doorstep.

FlutterinBantam · 15-08-2011 07:20PM

teol wrote: »

http://www.hse.ie/eng/staff/Healthstat/comparative%20results/Hosptial_Absenteeism_May_2011.pdf

Fairly close to the HSE average for absenteeism.

Appreciate very much that chart poster.

Now per capita throughput vs cost on a 24 hr basis?

Paul.C · 15-08-2011 07:20PM

teol wrote: »

http://www.hse.ie/eng/staff/Healthstat/comparative%20results/Hosptial_Absenteeism_May_2011.pdf

Thanks teol, much appreciated. So it looks like Connolly is actually one of the best for staff time keeping.

whippet · 15-08-2011 07:23PM

Jcmh to beaumont in an ambulance after hours would take a matter of five minutes .... And more serious cases presented to these hospitals are in many cases diverted or transferred to Beaumont .. Espc head injuries.

I've been in the a&e at blanch late at night and the vast majority of people presenting are there due to drunken fighting, falling while pissed and other drinking related matters ..... No urgency there and if there is send them 5 mins up the road to a better hospital

FlutterinBantam · 15-08-2011 07:24PM

Nothing to do with 'timekeeping' attendance for work surely.

teol · 15-08-2011 07:24PM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Fairly close to the HSE average for absenteeism.

Appreciate very much that chart poster.

Now per capita throughput vs cost on a 24 hr basis?

Here is all the stats:

http://www.hse.ie/eng/staff/Healthstat/hospitalresults/jcm/May_2011_Connolly_Hospital_Blanchardstown.pdf

Although it's above average, the fact is it's very close to the Mater and St. Jame's. We could close the a&e in Blanchardstown and save a lot of money without effecting many people.

opinion guy · 15-08-2011 07:25PM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Fairly close to the HSE average for absenteeism.

Appreciate very much that chart poster.

Now per capita throughput vs cost on a 24 hr basis?

Why don't you do your own googling to prove your own point, whatever that is, instead of demanding the rest of us do it for you ?

FlutterinBantam · 15-08-2011 07:28PM

opinion guy wrote: »

Why don't you do your own googling to prove your own point, whatever that is, instead of demanding the rest of us do it for you ?

I'm not trying to prove any point buddy

Just saying if you want my support for issues like this produce the stats?

Jeesh, I didn't start the thread man.

C'mon

mackg · 15-08-2011 07:29PM

opinion guy wrote: »

Why don't you do your own googling to prove your own point, whatever that is, instead of demanding the rest of us do it for you ?

I am directing all the blame here at the HSE and the present-government in general and not at the staff and hospital itself.

James Connolly hospital has survived through many recessions and strived over the past ten of years to become a modern hospital this country can be proud of. In fact it is one of the only success stories to come from Mary Harneys HSE and now they want to close it.

From OP, nothing wrong with asking for evidence backing up OPs statement.

FlutterinBantam · 15-08-2011 07:31PM

teol wrote: »

Here is all the stats:

http://www.hse.ie/eng/staff/Healthstat/hospitalresults/jcm/May_2011_Connolly_Hospital_Blanchardstown.pdf

Although it's above average, the fact is it's very close to the Mater and St. Jame's. We could close the a&e in Blanchardstown and save a lot of money without effecting many people.

That's exactly my point and kudos for those stats, very informative.

Einhard · 15-08-2011 07:35PM

It's always unfortunate when a local amenity, particularly a hospital, is closed, but I think people are basing their claims on the increased numbers of deaths that will result on assumptions, rather than empirical evidence. For example, Carlow doesn't have an A&E department. It relies on Kilkenny for that service, and I've never heard mention of people dying in Carlow as a result. I don't think it's right to make grave claims about the consequences of an action without having anything to back those claims.

FlutterinBantam · 15-08-2011 07:37PM

Einhard wrote: »

It's always unfortunate when a local amenity, particularly a hospital, is closed, but I think people are basing their claims on the increased numbers of deaths that will result on assumptions, rather than empirical evidence. For example, Carlow doesn't have an A&E department. It relies on Kilkenny for that service, and I've never heard mention of people dying in Carlow as a result. I don't think it's right to make grave claims about the consequences of an action without having anything to back those claims.

Indeed, beware of vested interests I was always told.

Einhard · 15-08-2011 07:38PM

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

Fairly close to the HSE average for absenteeism.

Appreciate very much that chart poster.

Now per capita throughput vs cost on a 24 hr basis?

LOL. Anything else while you're at it? Perhaps a statistical comparison with the hospitals in China's Kashgar province too?!:pac:

James Connolly Hospital Closing after 6pm each day

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