Mother bear kills cub, then itself to save them from brutal life

recylingbin · 14-08-2011 02:48PM

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

halal

Halal simply means that the meat is blessed.

Einhard · 14-08-2011 02:49PM

Any for of animal cruelty is reprehensible, and obviously should be condemned, and eradicated. But I think it's important to take the circumstances of the human workers into account before dismissing them as entirely monstrous and irredeemable. Poverty, especially in rural China is endemic, and far more intense that what we presume to call poverty in Ireland. It's all to easy to reflexively condemn the workers involved, and their actions as inexcusable, especially when we don't know the circumstances of their lives- do they have kids to feed, do their families go hungry every night etc? I'm not trying to excuse the behaviour, but rather give some context as to why some people might choose such horrific work. The workers may not be entirely evil and devoid of compassion as the poster above declares them to be.

ScumLord · 14-08-2011 02:49PM

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

while cows certainly have it better than other animals they are killed when their production value wains and also 340,000 cattle were exported live to other countries last year, not exactly in good conditions, almost half of these were less than 6 weeks old with a lot not exactly getting the treatment Irish cows get then! veal farms, halal etc
still better than other animals i suppose

It is better, I live in farmer central I see these animals on a daily basis and I see the care farmers put into them. The only reason cattles quality of life is slipping is due to the demands of large supermarkets. It's our fault basically, we demand cheap food over the welfare of the animal, we're all responsible for that. Ireland has no problems at all producing enough food for ourselves without subjecting our animals to a horrifying life.

Tar.Aldarion · 14-08-2011 02:50PM

recylingbin wrote: »

Halal simply means that the meat is blessed.

the correct word would be dhabiha/h which people equate to halal here.

Amirani · 14-08-2011 02:56PM

These people aren't humans. Humans are supposed to have some degree of empathy.

paddyandy · 14-08-2011 02:57PM

ScumLord wrote: »

That's not what I see out of my window, I see mother and calf together in fields all the time, the calf's are feed and happy from what I've seen on farms. It can't be argued Irish farming is anywhere close to this, all our beef and milk is basically free range by international standards.

If people care about the quality of life their food has they will buy Irish when it comes to beef and milk. Same can't be said about chickens and pigs but cattle have it good.

What you see in fields is a lovely public relations job.What you don't see never sees the light of day ...store cattle.Kept in large sheds for long periods but i'm not great on figures here and i need someone else's help here but the few animals in fields are a tiny few in number.Lovely pr job.

ScumLord · 14-08-2011 03:07PM

paddyandy wrote: »

What you see in fields is a lovely public relations job.

PR? I don't think the farmers care about PR.

What you don't see never sees the light of day ...store cattle.Kept in large sheds for long periods

Like during rain and freezing conditions? I've seen the sheds, and they're not that bad.

Maybe a farmer could tell us whether it's cheaper and easier to keep cattle in a shed and feed them daily or to let them roam free and just drop off feed at the field.

recylingbin · 14-08-2011 03:08PM

paddyandy wrote: »

What you see in fields is a lovely public relations job.What you don't see never sees the light of day ...store cattle.Kept in large sheds for long periods but i'm not great on figures here and i need someone else's help here but the few animals in fields are a tiny few in number.Lovely pr job.

Ah yes, Farmer Brian Smith - Master of the dark arts of marketing.
The ignorance dripping from this post is incredible.

steddyeddy · 14-08-2011 03:29PM

Well it could have killed it out of a number of reasons but they way they were treated was inhumane, hence the people who did this on a daily basis lacked basic humanity.

There have been many instances of infanticide observed in animals in captivity, is hard to know wheter the mother commited suicide or tried to escape in a frenzy. Either way though the most intersting aspect for me in this is mans inhumanity in certain situations. There seems to be a raft of people who get offended when it is suggested that there is not much seperating us from other animals, they bring up empathy, compassion and mercy all of which are lacking time and time again in stories like this.

Gummy Panda · 14-08-2011 03:59PM

Fúcking Chinese :mad:

I haz a sad now

ToniTuddle · 14-08-2011 05:12PM

I had no idea about this...

:mad:

Kablamo! · 14-08-2011 05:44PM

Gummy Panda wrote: »

Fúcking Chinese :mad:

I haz a sad now

Very apt considering the username!

wandatowell · 14-08-2011 05:50PM

fap fap fap fap fap

im invisible · 14-08-2011 06:11PM

paddyandy wrote: »

That leather wallet or shoe lining what is it??Cat skin How do they get it?

Dont ask me how, all i know is theres more than one way to do it...

Namlub · 14-08-2011 07:09PM

I thought dolphins were the only animals who committed suicide?

im invisible · 14-08-2011 07:21PM

and lemmings...

Andromeda_111 · 14-08-2011 07:27PM

Namlub wrote: »

I thought dolphins were the only animals who committed suicide?

It's amazing what 'humans' can drive other creatures to do

Meeoow · 14-08-2011 07:30PM

If people boycotted these products, it would stop. In fairness, most of us buy eggs and chickens from battery farms, which inflict deplorable conditions on the birds during their short lives.

sunflower27 · 14-08-2011 07:39PM

Meeoow wrote: »

If people boycotted these products, it would stop. In fairness, most of us buy eggs and chickens from battery farms, which inflict deplorable conditions on the birds during their short lives.

Saw a documentary on battery chickens years ago and would never buy eggs that aren't free-range again. No matter how cheep (;))

Ray Palmer · 15-08-2011 10:31AM

doomed wrote: »

And the human race is supposed to be the most advanced species? Yeah right!

You do realize other animals don't generally care about the welfare of other animals. Tigers don't take care of their pray as they kill it. There are animals that eat their prey while it is still alive. There are animals that eat their pray from the inside out.

Lots of animals toy with their prey as it is diying. It is animal nature and humans are animals.

On the other side of things Chinese medicine is a load of cobblers in many cases. It is comparable to magic in many cases. AS the country becomes richer things will get worse.

The article is also a little misleading as it it requires the ability to read a bear's mind. It killed its cub we don't know why. It probably doesn't have the intelligence to do so in order to save the cub. That would require the animal to be very intelligent which is highly unlikely. Very few animals have this form of intelligence and I am pretty sure bears aren't on that list

Whispered · 15-08-2011 11:45AM

@ the poster who said halal simply means blessed - it's also killed in a different way. No violence, like a bolt gun which is used for "normal" meat. As far as I know the animal is bled to death. The throat and windpipe is slashed by a knife.

I would have imagined that it's common for parent animals to kill their badly injured young. I can't find anything to back it up though so I could be wrong. I would have thought out of their own survival instinct - injured young holding family/pack up = better for family/pack if injured young was dead. Like I said though I can't remember where I heard this and I can't find anything online so it could be totally untrue. Has anyone heard of this before?

It could also be likely that the poor bear was out of her mind.

Ray - I agree, there is no mercy in the animal kingdom - but humans are the only animal who put other animals through a lifetime of pain and servitude. (save a species of ant I think?)

I think the majority of people do try to get free range eggs at least. Another big problem is battery style pig farming. Most people I know are not even aware that you can get free range pork, or that all pork is not free range.

On the subject of milk - is it true that a cow has to have a few calves a year to continue producing milk? So she's either pregnant or just recently had a calf. How many calves are worthless then a killed yearly in the name of our dairy industry?

We have barbaric practises in our horse breeding industry too - and as for our puppy farming. :mad: I do agree that this case is shocking and very sad but There are enough animal injustices happening within a few miles of our homes to keep us busy for a long time. Things we could potentially do something about - something more proactive than signing an online petition anyway.

Magill · 15-08-2011 12:13PM

****ing disgusting and completely unsurprising at the same time.

Lone Stone · 15-08-2011 12:51PM

I seen a documentary about how they do this to bears before it was disgusting i dont know how anyone could treat a any animal like that :mad:

paddyandy · 15-08-2011 05:27PM

I saw it once on tv and i never want to see it again.The animal was attacked and lifted from the ground with a fierce resistance.

mayordenis · 15-08-2011 05:31PM

it's ****ing revolting, can't wait until the robots use poisonous gases to poison our asses.

steddyeddy · 15-08-2011 08:00PM

The people who did this are a lower form of life than most people and thats all there is too it. It takes some will power to shut of empathy like that.

hatrickpatrick · 15-08-2011 08:05PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

The people who did this are a lower form of life than most people and thats all there is too it. It takes some will power to shut of empathy like that.

They're a lower form of life than most animals as well.

Animals kill eachother either for territorial defense reasons or for food.
I've never heard of a case of animals capturing another animal and deliberately keeping it alive for years to be tortured. Think humans have a bit of a monopoly on sadism.

Somnus · 15-08-2011 09:06PM

This is one of the most disturbing and upsetting things I've seen in a while.

Obviously this stuff needs to get out there to raise awareness... but I can't express how wrong on so many levels that is.

Hard to look at

charlemont · 15-08-2011 09:17PM

Sick ****ers treating the bears like that. :mad:

steddyeddy · 15-08-2011 10:24PM

On the "these people are poor" front there are many many people from poor areas who dont act in this sub human manner, gorilla poachers make up a minority of the starving people of the congo and rwanda, the same can be said for these people. There are many poor people in china who think this carry on is vile and wont have a part of it.

Mother bear kills cub, then itself to save them from brutal life

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