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the Michael J documentary

  • 03-02-2003 11:45PM
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 272 ✭✭


    I think its amazing. Best program Ive seen in ages.

    Hes really a nice guy from what i can see, the guy making the documentary is in a way demonising him for no apparent reason.

    any more thoughts on this?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,038 ✭✭✭✭Giblet


    I think he is a liar, and has serious mental problems. He is in a dream world, and was blatently lying about his skin, operations, kids, their parents and pretty much everything else.
    He is also dangerous, and is not fit to have children.

    Martin Bashir thought the same I would guess.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭Spunog UIE


    Originally posted by wiensta
    I think its amazing. Best program Ive seen in ages.

    Hes really a nice guy from what i can see, the guy making the documentary is in a way demonising him for no apparent reason.

    any more thoughts on this?

    heh heh funny, you go and bait them all ;) oh your serious... o k a y


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭Illkillya


    ya hes completely insane, hes just like a child and should have a nurse minding him and his children 24/7. The question is, is he a paedo or not? I don't think he is


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 272 ✭✭wiensta


    well, OK given, He is a bit unstable, but I wouldnt blame him for that.

    And the huge spending really annoyed me, if he loves kids so much, he could have saved thousands of em in Africa dying of aids and starvation.

    He had such an awful childhood though... Thats why I wouldnt just go and call him a freak or paedo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,926 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    Who?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,174 ✭✭✭[CALIBUR]


    ffs A Michael jackson fan.

    WHERES MY GUN!!!


    Total Freak. The most shocking thing part of that documentary was that he/it got baby as A gift. WTF!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,240 ✭✭✭✭Sangre


    Michael J Fox of coarse


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,322 ✭✭✭Repli


    He's a blatant liar anyway.. that's what I gathered from watching the show. I also thought his extreme fascination with children was going a bit overboard, and if we don't let our son's friends sleep in our bed, we are ignorant. Oooooook.
    He was also lying (Imo) about ONLY having plastic surgery on his nose and NOWHERE else? And that was only to make him sing better...?!
    Either the guy thinks we're all idiots or he's trying to prove himself as a liar...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,240 ✭✭✭✭Sangre


    Nowhere else on his face, dont make me laugh.
    First of all he did his nose because his big brotheres teased him (so I hear)
    And look at his eyes ffs, hes clearly had work done on them and his cheekbones


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭eth0_


    I thought it was a good interview although I missed the first half.
    From what I saw....and you can't really judge from a tv show...I don't think he abuses children. I thought Bashir was demonising him a little, I mean he said he slept ON THE FLOOR while that kid and his brother slept in his bed. You can't compare that to what Bashir was saying about his daughters kids coming over and sleeping in the same bed as him. If those kids parents let them stay in Neverland, knowing as everyone does about the Jordy Chandler case, then they're either extremely stupid or they trust MJ. I'd go for the latter.

    As for the surgery and denying he has had facial surgery, it's obvious he has, I'd be of the opinion he's suffering from body dysmorphic disorder, it would explain a lot about his behaviour.

    I can understand why he chooses to spend his time in the company of young people, the guy has been figuratively fu<ked over by adults his whole life, he was physically and emotionally abused by his father his whole life, he's never had a normal life, imagine what it must be like going through life with absolutely NO anonymity, people screaming they love you, breaking down in tears when they see you, it must be absolutely surreal, no wonder the guy seems to be detached from his "reality" and has created his own world in neverland, I for one would crack up if I lived a life like that...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭eth0_


    Originally posted by Sangre

    And look at his eyes ffs, hes clearly had work done on them and his cheekbones

    He's got permanent tattooed make up (badly done too! You'd think with his money he could get a decent make up artist), don't know about eye surgery...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,674 ✭✭✭lee_baby_simms


    Yeah, that made for some compelling viewing!!

    Ok we don't want to chew our spinach twice here but;

    - he's a 44 year old man who just happens to prefer the company of pre-pubescant boys and likes to well...sleep in the same bed as them.

    - helps 'disadvantaged' children by for one day letting them see his big ferris wheel (no pun intended) and have complimentary snow cones then sending them back to their 'disadvantaged' homes. He then buys a replica of tutenkamuns coffin for a 7 figure sum.

    - silences all his critics by explaining the complex he had about his appearance as a teenager but claiming that his physical change was not manipulated he just 'changed'.

    - oh and he wants to adopt 1 boy and 1 girl from each continent of the world. (kinda like the way one would collect shotglasses)

    So wheres the problem?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 190 ✭✭Phryxus


    He seemed like a really nice guy at the start but after that vegas bit he just started to get a little strange, i dont think his kids will grow up normal, they're living in an unstable enviroment and will have some serious mental problems unless they can be really strong, all that money and living in a dream world will go to their heads. We can all agree that a normal life is totally out of the question, even now it's obvious from the kid saying that his mother doesn't exist shows a little instability, i mean, saying that their mother is gone or that they dont have one is one thing but saying that they dont have one at all is something that the father must have said to them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,711 ✭✭✭Dr. Dre


    A little way into it I started wondering if I had the wrong impression of him, then I realised no I hadn't, he's a loopie.
    QED


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 190 ✭✭Phryxus


    Oh yeah, what was that skin condition he claimed he had?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,174 ✭✭✭[CALIBUR]


    oh and he wants to adopt 1 boy and 1 girl from each continent of the world. (kinda like the way one would collect shotglasses)

    pffft lol.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,276 ✭✭✭damnyanks


    Disturbing :(

    The guy is gone.... way gone


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,275 ✭✭✭Shinji


    The guy is a fruitloop - but I don't think he's a dangerous fruitloop or a "sicko" as some people seem to be happy to call him.

    There's no law against being hugely eccentric or having non-violent mental disorders.

    The company of children makes him happy (and frankly I don't believe the paedophile allegations for a second), which is fair enough - a lot of people are like that, especially the mentally disturbed, because children are much simpler to deal with than adults, and much more likey to accept the mental or physical problems of someone like that than an adult is.

    He's a tragic case in a lot of ways. He deserves our sympathy, not our revulsion. All his money and his fame can't ever make up for the childhood he never had and is obviously so desperate to replicate now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,754 ✭✭✭Big Chief


    the word "fruitloop" does come to mind yes..

    - he's a 44 year old man who just happens to prefer the company of pre-pubescant boys and likes to well...sleep in the same bed as them.

    says it all really..

    guy is a wierdo plain and simple..

    And i have to disagree with you shinji, i've always thought the guy was a complete wacko, and the above quote pretty much confirms that to me (note i didnt watch the documentary im basing this on what i read out of the papers this morning quoting jackson)

    2 words = kiddy fiddler..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 389 ✭✭Morello


    Originally posted by Big Chief
    guy is a wierdo plain and simple..

    I'm not the biggest MJ fan ever but something must be said: Even if what you say is true, it's easy to focus on the hype and forget what he's done.

    He did Thriller FFS, that's one of the best Album ever! .... He's been making music for more than 30 years (his first album with Jackson Five at the age of 8....), has a beautiful voice and is a great dancer too.

    So we can blame the man but we must respect the artist, right?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,275 ✭✭✭Shinji


    And i have to disagree with you shinji, i've always thought the guy was a complete wacko

    And since when is that a crime?

    He's a naive, child-like man who hates the cynicism and negativity of the outside world and is simply not mentally equipped to cope with it. He befriends children because he can't deal with the way adults act, speak and judge.

    Given how intolerant and ignorant people like yourself are prepared to condemn him so readily, I can start to see how he feels that way.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 826 ✭✭✭Snowball


    Originally posted by Giblet
    I think he is a liar, and has serious mental problems. He is in a dream world, and was blatently lying about his skin, operations, kids, their parents and pretty much everything else.
    He is also dangerous, and is not fit to have children.

    Martin Bashir thought the same I would guess.
    Martin Bashir is a scumbag. He used his position to "expose" MJ for moral reasons, he just could not stay quiet because it would not be right, but the fact is that he used it to further his carrier. He lived for 8 months with MJ and used all that to his advantage. I would bet good money that it was him, or one of his team, that alerted the media that they were going to the Zoo.
    Yes MJ is strange but wtf do u expect. look at the life he has lead. He has to hide away in Neverland because he is accosted and followed everywhere.
    Would u be any different in his situation???
    Originally posted by wiensta
    And the huge spending really annoyed me, if he loves kids so much, he could have saved thousands of em in Africa dying of aids and starvation.
    List of awards MJ has got. This includes his awards from children’s charities. He has spent a lot of money on children and he invades disadvantaged children into Neverland all the time. He does a lot in fairness.
    Originally posted by #MEAT#
    ffs A Michael jackson fan.

    WHERES MY GUN!!!


    Total Freak. The most shocking thing part of that documentary was that he/it got baby as A gift. WTF!!!
    :mad: constructive there. what have u done with ur life that gives u the right to judge a man that (unless u r the very very few) helped get him his money and fame.
    Oh and as he said a Seri get mother. happens all the time but because it is easier to slag his then try to understand him...
    Originally posted by Repli
    He's a blatant liar anyway.. that's what I gathered from watching the show. I also thought his extreme fascination with children was going a bit overboard, and if we don't let our son's friends sleep in our bed, we are ignorant. Oooooook.
    He was also lying (Imo) about ONLY having plastic surgery on his nose and NOWHERE else? And that was only to make him sing better...?!
    Either the guy thinks we're all idiots or he's trying to prove himself as a liar...
    He is probably ashamed, I would. He ****ed up his appearance and he knows it. He also knows that the world knows it.
    Originally posted by Big Chief
    the word "fruitloop" does come to mind yes..

    says it all really..

    guy is a wierdo plain and simple..

    And i have to disagree with you shinji, i've always thought the guy was a complete wacko, and the above quote pretty much confirms that to me (note i didnt watch the documentary im basing this on what i read out of the papers this morning quoting jackson)


    2 words = kiddy fiddler..
    The guy is a kid himself. he has never grown up ("kiddy fiddler" = and ur a judgemental pr!ck). wtf do u know about what he has done? what do u know about his life?


    1st off. MJ is a very talented artist who lived a ****ed up life and I think that we can all agree on that.
    I bought the "History" album figuring it would be a good by, it was. I also saw a list of awards that has gotten. He, apart from music awards, has received I think over 50 children charity related awards. That’s pretty impressive in my book.
    Whether or not he is not all up there is not really up for debate, his is messed up and we all know it but the question is if it is his fault and if it is understandable or not.
    2nd, if MJ was female would anyone be questioning his motives around kids?
    no. So, nowadays men have to watch them selves around kids because we are all pedos if we like kids. that’s ****ED UP!!! I stayed over in my ants for Xmas and my little cousin is 6. she is cool little kid but in the back of my mind when we play is what other people r thinking. Now ppl in my family r all-cool and us blockes I'm my family r lucky but what about other families? What about ur average bloke who likes his cousin (in a normal way!, and look, i have to point that out, ffs) or what ever and is worried what ppl will say when he is seen playing around with a 5 or 6 year old. They world is a ****ed up place and it wrecks my head! Kids r the most innocent things around and their slant on life and the world is the most clear view around and people (men and women) who think that is ns should not be worried about being labelled pedos.
    People are 2 quick to make the wrong kind of judgement and they are not worried. People insult and slander and when they find out that they are wrong they do nothing to rectify what they have said and the damage they have done stays there and the messed up thing is that they don’t care.

    Before anyone tries to dismiss what I am saying I am not a massive MJ fan, I just think that he is the product of what the media and the public do to him. Basically he is the ultimate example of how society can create a person that they love to hate and I think that that is messed up.


    [edit]
    Originally posted by Shinji
    And since when is that a crime?

    He's a naive, child-like man who hates the cynicism and negativity of the outside world and is simply not mentally equipped to cope with it. He befriends children because he can't deal with the way adults act, speak and judge.

    Given how intolerant and ignorant people like yourself are prepared to condemn him so readily, I can start to see how he feels that way.

    Well said. That’s the kind of thing I was clumsily trying to say.

    [/edit]


  • Posts: 22,785 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Originally posted by Shinji
    The guy is a fruitloop - but I don't think he's a dangerous fruitloop or a "sicko" as some people seem to be happy to call him.

    There's no law against being hugely eccentric or having non-violent mental disorders.

    The company of children makes him happy (and frankly I don't believe the paedophile allegations for a second), which is fair enough - a lot of people are like that, especially the mentally disturbed, because children are much simpler to deal with than adults, and much more likey to accept the mental or physical problems of someone like that than an adult is.

    He's a tragic case in a lot of ways. He deserves our sympathy, not our revulsion. All his money and his fame can't ever make up for the childhood he never had and is obviously so desperate to replicate now.
    I would tend to agree with all of what Shinji has said there.
    He told a lot of what appeared to be obvious lies throughout the programme, but given, that it was filmed over 8 months maybe he couldn't even remember what he said and then contradicted later.
    I don't know how , the welfare authorities in the U.S are going to react to the programme but I suspect that Jackson will be in trouble.
    Legally though, he told so many blatant untruths in the programme, and appeared so eccentric, I can see an expensive lawyer dismissing the whole programme as Jackson spoofing and probably getting him out of trouble that way.
    mm


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 932 ✭✭✭yossarin


    Bashir was terribly biast. He spent the entire program distancing himself from 'Jackson'.
    He never refered to his subject as 'michael', or even 'Mr. Jackson'. He made no effort to get to know MJ, or to understand him. This was not an attempt to be objective, but an attempt to hide / justify his bad opinion of MJ.
    I feel that the programs presentation of the facts was skewed by this. Also, i feel that Bashir had allready made his decisions well before he met Jackson, and had decided to present him in an unfavourable light in the show.

    I should stress that I am not a Jackson fan. I dont like his music, and think that he is fairly out there in terms of stability.

    Bashir also made a big deal about Jacksons wild spending. but it's not even unusual by the stadards of todays mega rich - hell, just look at elton john.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,754 ✭✭✭Big Chief


    Originally posted by Snowball
    The guy is a kid himself. he has never grown up ("kiddy fiddler" = and ur a judgemental pr!ck). wtf do u know about what he has done? what do u know about his life?

    and what true facts do you know about his life?

    oh i forgot when i was a kid i invited loads of other kids into my bed to sleep with me...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,562 ✭✭✭leeroybrown


    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=79606

    Missed this one when I scanned the listing for a similar topic. Must wake up ... must wake up ...

    The guy is the definition of wierd.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,425 ✭✭✭mada999


    yes, michael jackson is a nut job, total weirdo, and he thinks he's going to live forever, i don't fink so.

    Yeah i think he has never grown up, he had no childhood coz he was always on thw road,

    I think his marriage to Priscilla Presely was a farce and complete publicity stunt


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 28,128 ✭✭✭✭Mossy Monk


    the man is a nut case. he thinks he is going to live forever. his son thinks his mother doesn't exist. he makes his children wear those masks. he wants to adopt a boy and a girl from every continent. i think he is barely able to look after himself let alone children


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,529 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    I think most of his problem could be traced back to what his father did to him. His father was an absolute bastard to all of them. I think that he could deal with that. And thats why he is mentally unstable, but I don't believe that he is a 'kiddy fiddler' one bit even though his behaviour around children seems weird.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 622 ✭✭✭darthmise


    Originally posted by Phryxus
    Oh yeah, what was that skin condition he claimed he had?

    Vitiligo. And it is a genuine condition, though to cover 100% of his body..., i dunno, i'm not a doctor.
    Originally posted by Snowball
    and he invades disadvantaged children
    LOL Thats funny!


    I am a jackson fan, or at least i used to be.
    I don't think hes a paedophile, he just enjoys the company of kids because they are the only ones who don't judge him.

    I reckon he has had massive surgery to his face and lied his ass off on that one.


    But my heart goes out to him. And when they were standing by the tomb i was waiting for the words i don't want to die" to come out of his mouth. I nearly cried when they did.

    i think the saddest thing of all is the fact that he had no child-hood, tries to keep it going as much as he can, and then states that he won't send his kids to school beacuse the teacher would pick on them because of who there father was, yet does not see the effect it will have on his children telling them they have hide their face at all times. Its crazy. He's doing his best to ensure that they have a better childhood than he had but total overkill will ensure the opposite.



    Martin Bashir.
    This pr1ck has to be the worst interviewer ever.
    " let me get that straight..... you just said this, that and the other."

    But the bit that gutted me the most was he introduced the show as though HE was doing JACKSON a favour.

    "let the people see the real you"
    "I'll do it but only if we include everything"



    So jackson agrees.., decides to show the things in his life that people don't see.., the Real Michael Jackson.., like the Giving Tree.., whats Bashirs reaction? "yeah, yeah, yeah, a 44 year old man who climbs trees, thats great but what about abusing the kids mike?"
    Pr1ck.


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