Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie

Download Illegally? You're no better than the looters.

24567…14

Comments

  • #32
    ríomhaire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 473 ✭✭ríomhaire


    Dun wrote: »
    Piracy is not theft. As much as I'd love to download a new Galaxy S2, it's not possible.
    Man I'd love to download a new car :P

    Someone hurry up and invent 3D printers that can print a car!


  • #33
    Blackpitts
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 780 ✭✭✭Blackpitts


    I've just put a brick through my laptop screen when I tried looting itunes...


  • #34
    Quazzie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,629 ✭✭✭✭Quazzie


    connundrum wrote: »
    You're.
    speedboatchase wrote: »
    You download pictures of ill eagles? Seriously, learn to spell.

    On the point, theft is theft. You agree with theft or you don't - doesn't matter that one is obviously a lot less serious than the other
    bluewolf wrote: »
    My no better?


    Anyway it's more equivalent to going into the shops, making exact copies and leaving the originals undisturbed...
    chin_grin wrote: »
    YOU'RE!

    Also this.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=63152137&postcount=20


  • #35
    Sky King
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Sky King


    Music copyright laws are bollox anyways.

    I would have no qualms about downloading 'Happy Birthday To You' which is a folk song written by teachers for an infant class years and years ago not for profit, yet technically if I want to sing this at my birthday party I have to pay royalties to Warner Music.

    Back in the day an artist had control and rights to their songs and got a couple years out of them before them becoming a 'free for all'.

    These days you have record companies aggressively taking ownership of music like the example above. They know their days are numbered and are desperately clinging to an anachronistic business model which is no longer relevant - conceived in the days when distribution power was everything - trucks to get your physical record all over the country.

    Today the web has done away with all of that.


  • #36
    jme2010
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 974 ✭✭✭jme2010


    speedboatchase wrote: »
    You download pictures of ill eagles? Seriously, learn to spell.

    typo you cnut


  • Advertisement
  • #37
    chin_grin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,808 ✭✭✭✭chin_grin


    jme2010 wrote: »
    typo you cnut

    Post of the day.


  • #38
    jester77
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,264 ✭✭✭✭jester77


    It's not the same, look at it from the legal side of things.

    If you purchase a TV from a store and it's crap, you can take it back and exchange it for a different TV.
    If you purchase music from a store and it's crap, you can't take it back and exchange it for different music.


  • #39
    elefant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,676 ✭✭✭elefant


    Can't think of piracy without thinking of this, the best anti-piracy ad ever!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-wwqW37-gg


  • #40
    Kold
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,778 ✭✭✭✭Kold


    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »
    piracy is theft, and all the moral hoops you all try to jump through to convince yourselves otherwise are just ridiculous.

    Theft isn't necessarily amoral though. I don't feel at all bad about downloading, I would feel like a c*nt for smashing up a small business owner's livelihood however.


  • #41
    Frank Black
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,296 ✭✭✭Frank Black


    I presume that most of the stuff looted is covered by insurance wheras illegally downloaded items aren't - so you could argue that illigal downloading is worse than looting.


  • Advertisement
  • #42
    chin_grin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,808 ✭✭✭✭chin_grin


    elefant wrote: »
    Can't think of piracy without thinking of this, the best anti-piracy ad ever!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALZZx1xmAzg

    Nope. This.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up863eQKGUI


  • #43
    Liam Byrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    py2006 wrote: »
    Actually, they are being shared! So somebody somewhere bought them initially!

    They are definitely NOT being "shared"

    If you share a chip or a milkshake, you get half (or one-tenth if you share with 9 people)

    If you share music, you need to be in the same place to hear it

    Sharing is a complete misnomer and used to make it sound less objectionable.


  • #44
    Frank Black
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,296 ✭✭✭Frank Black


    twinQuins wrote: »
    Would you, maybe, like to explain your reasoning behind that? I'm not depriving them of the use of their blueprint or taking materials to make my own widget, so how is it theft?


    Well, you did ask in your original question if copyright infringement was stealing - the poster was correct to say 'yes', of course it is.
    The legal term may not be 'stealing', but it's certainly illegal.


  • #45
    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,555 ✭✭✭✭Sir Digby Chicken Caesar


    Kold wrote: »
    Theft isn't necessarily amoral though. I don't feel at all bad about downloading, I would feel like a c*nt for smashing up a small business owner's livelihood however.

    but you'd happily smash up a tesco?


  • #46
    ríomhaire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 473 ✭✭ríomhaire


    black francis wrote: »
    Well, you did ask in your original question if copyright infringement was stealing - the poster was correct to say 'yes', of course it is.
    The legal term may not be 'stealing', but it's certainly illegal.
    Isn't this a thread about the morality of it, not the legality?


  • #47
    Voodu Child
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,706 ✭✭✭Voodu Child


    It's not my fault that I pirate things, it's the governments fault for closing the youth clubs.


  • #48
    ItsAWindUp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,325 ✭✭✭ItsAWindUp


    Thing is, I wouldn't necessarily buy a lot of the stuff I download had I not had the opportunity to download it.


  • #49
    twinQuins
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,199 ✭✭✭twinQuins


    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    They are definitely NOT being "shared"

    If you share a chip or a milkshake, you get half (or one-tenth if you share with 9 people)

    If you share music, you need to be in the same place to hear it

    Sharing is a complete misnomer and used to make it sound less objectionable.

    You're sharing the data. It seems in this case you're using "sharing" as a synonym of "splitting", where it's possible to share a book or film among friends without splitting it (and without engaging in copyright infringement).
    black francis wrote: »
    Well, you did ask in your original question if copyright infringement was stealing - the poster was correct to say 'yes', of course it is.
    The legal term may not be 'stealing', but it's certainly illegal.

    Well I was hoping for something more than a one-word answer - you know, something we could discuss seeing as this is a discussion forum. Anyway...

    Now, it is illegal, yes but it's not theft; legally (and IMO morally) it's not the same thing so I'm curious to hear the reasoning why said poster thinks it is.


  • #50
    Frank Black
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,296 ✭✭✭Frank Black


    ríomhaire wrote: »
    Isn't this a thread about the morality of it, not the legality?


    I was simply answering the question asked.


  • #51
    Kold
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,778 ✭✭✭✭Kold


    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »
    but you'd happily smash up a tesco?

    I'm not smashing up anything.


  • Advertisement
  • #52
    Frank Black
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,296 ✭✭✭Frank Black


    twinQuins wrote: »



    Well I was hoping for something more than a one-word answer - you know, something we could discuss seeing as this is a discussion forum. Anyway...

    Now, it is illegal, yes but it's not theft; legally (and IMO morally) it's not the same thing so I'm curious to hear the reasoning why said poster thinks it is.

    Morality is subjective - that's why we have laws.
    A serial killer doesn't find murder to be immoral, most of society does so it's illegal.
    You may not find downloading a film immoral, other people will have different opinions.


  • #53
    Aidric
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,591 ✭✭✭✭Aidric


    Alter-Ego wrote: »
    Yeah, because putting a bin through the window of Carphone Warehouse window is exactly the same as downloading Phil Collins' Greatest Hits.

    What if, against all odds, you're putting a bin through the window of Carphone warehouse whilst listening to Phil Collins on your headphones?


  • #54
    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,555 ✭✭✭✭Sir Digby Chicken Caesar


    so I guess posession of child pornography shouldn't be a crime either?
    you're not creating it, you're just copying it.. right?


  • #55
    Mena
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,180 ✭✭✭Mena


    twinQuins wrote: »
    Now, it is illegal, yes but it's not theft; legally (and IMO morally) it's not the same thing so I'm curious to hear the reasoning why said poster thinks it is.

    A one word answer was all that was required. This is not rocket science, even my 8 year old daughter understands this.

    An artist creates something for resale, you take it without paying. You've stolen it.

    Mental gymnastics and flakey logic don't change that.


  • #56
    twinQuins
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,199 ✭✭✭twinQuins


    black francis wrote: »
    Morality is subjective - that's why we have laws.
    A serial killer doesn't find murder to be immoral, most of society does so it's illegal.
    You may not find downloading a film immoral, other people will have different opinions.

    Which is why I'm asking: why? I get that people find it immoral what I'm looking for is the reason why they do.
    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »
    so I guess posession of child pornography shouldn't be a crime either?
    you're not creating it, you're just copying it.. right?

    Does not compute.
    Mena wrote: »
    A one word answer was all that was required. This is not rocket science, even my 8 year old daughter understands this.

    An artist creates something for resale, you take it without paying. You've stolen it.

    Mental gymnastics and flakey logic don't change that.

    And flimsy semantics doesn't change what your point is predicated upon. How is that any (morally) different from a friend lending [item] to you, or buying it second hand or even just being given it? In all of those cases the creator doesn't see any benefit so they're all the same as theft, right?


  • #57
    o1s1n
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,369 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    It's duplication, not theft. The original product is not being taken. It is not depriving anyone of property. 'Lost sales' are not property. You're not going inside the artists head and stealing their their intellectual property from them. Phil Collins doesn't wake up and think -

    '****! I can't remember the words to 'In the Air tonight'! Damn file sharers!!!'

    It's the same as duplicating any copywrited works. Be it recording from the television, radio, photocopying from books. If you've done any of that then being an anti file sharing white knight wreaks of hypocrisy.


  • #58
    bpb101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,827 ✭✭✭bpb101


    im not saying i illegal download but

    if there a film eg the hangover 2
    and all your friends are going to see it , and you havent seen the first one , the film would make no sense to you ,
    so th night before you illegal download the first film and then you watch the second 1 in the cinema , thus giving money to the company



    for tv programs

    you download the all the espiodes and watch them at your please ,

    how are the film companys loseing money , your still going to watch the esp. when they come on telelvision geterate money with ads



    also how is downloading not the same as watching a tv program and at the break going into the kitchen and making a cupa tea and a slice of toast and then sitting down as the program returns . ye sure sky still made money out of the ads but morally you didnt pay to watch the tv program as you walked out...


    also , if (i did download ) the film / tv programs were online and i had to watch ads every few minutes , i would be less inclined to download

    take hula for example , i don't know who has used it here as it blocked to the usa only,
    but it has a wide selection of tv programs and every 5 minutes a few seconds ad come up, i have no problem with that ,

    i would be more inclined to download illegal because irish tv is of the lowest of quality
    (opion ) especially for kids and for young adults , and i have too wait months for a episodes to come for the usa to air on irish network(and uk in ireland) , and some programs never air... or take years

    take a show called white collar that airs on the USA network.
    it now on the season 3 summer finaly (more than half way trought the season) and rte aired season 1 only so far at 11.30 on a monday night
    it could be another 6 -8 months till they air the season 2


  • #59
    yupyup7up
    Closed Accounts Posts: 845 ✭✭✭yupyup7up


    What about if you download a movie illegally, but you actually already had the movie bought on DVD but lost it. Does this count? Also, what about Facebook stealing personal information?


  • #60
    optogirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,039 ✭✭✭optogirl


    bpb101 wrote: »
    im not saying i illegal download but

    if there a film eg the hangover 2
    and all your friends are going to see it , and you havent seen the first one , the film would make no sense to you ,


    Eh - don't think it would take too long to get the gist.


  • Advertisement
  • #61
    Frank Black
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,296 ✭✭✭Frank Black


    twinQuins wrote: »


    And flimsy semantics doesn't change what your point is predicated upon. How is that any (morally) different from a friend lending [item] to you, or buying it second hand or even just being given it? In all of those cases the creator doesn't see any benefit so they're all the same as theft, right?

    I think you're right actually - there's no difference in principle. However, the scale of it is the issue, I mean you can only lend a book to one person at a time but you could upload a digital copy of a book and have it downloaded by millions of people.


Advertisement